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I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one I
have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!

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I had one like that and then I woke up...LOL

"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one
I
> have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
> I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
> advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
> time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
> Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with
in
> less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!
>
> Thanks for reading my posting.
>
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:49:56 +0100, "John Smith"
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one I
>have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
>I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
>advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
>time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
>Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
>less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!
>
>Thanks for reading my posting.
>

Yes. Lots of the new cameras do that. Many are now faster than
film SLR camera. Just eyeball the newest camera as they come out and
you will find what you want.
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:49:56 +0100, "John Smith"
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>Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
>less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!

I've had success with my Kodak camera but that's only when I set the
focus manually and turn off flash. I could take a few shots per
second but its internal buffer will run out eventually and then I'd
have to wait until all the shots are written to the flash card.

The biggest bottleneck is in the memory. Most card have narrow
bandwidth (SD, MMC, SM, MS (all versions), and XD) while CF card have
wide bandwidth and could be used for high speed shooting. XD card is
quite fast but I haven't tried any camera that uses XD and most other
camera can't take advantage of higher speed SD/MMC/MS and Smart Media
is just about dead ended.
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:49:56 +0100, "John Smith" wrote:

>I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one I
>have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
>I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
>advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
>time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
>Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
>less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!

With a Casio EX-Z40 you could have a picture in about 3 seconds, or
less. It's small and real fast - my Canon PowerShot A60 takes more
time to turn on that to turn the EX-Z40 on, take a picture and turn
it off again...
 

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"J?rg Preddimann" <preddimann@skinheads.zzn.com> wrote in message
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> The Sigma SD10 is unbeatable in terms of performance speed, image
> quality, software, and optics. This camera should clearly be at the
> top of your list.
>
>
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> Jörg Preddimann

Bull.
 
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jsut a qeustion that cant hurt consdiering you guys have already replied:

why do you guys keep responding to george? is it compulsion?


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> "J?rg Preddimann" <preddimann@skinheads.zzn.com> wrote in message
> news:b9b4c103.0407111918.66cfe527@posting.google.com...
> > The Sigma SD10 is unbeatable in terms of performance speed, image
> > quality, software, and optics. This camera should clearly be at the
> > top of your list.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jörg Preddimann
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> Bull.
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Rubbish

"J?rg Preddimann" <preddimann@skinheads.zzn.com> wrote in message
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> The Sigma SD10 is unbeatable in terms of performance speed, image
> quality, software, and optics. This camera should clearly be at the
> top of your list.
>
>
> --
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http://www.digital-camera-buying-guide.com/Camera/B0000UYTOS/

The review is of a camera for $279 that has a .7 second startup time.
Pj



On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:49:56 +0100, "John Smith"
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one I
>have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
>I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
>advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
>time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
>Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
>less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!
>
>Thanks for reading my posting.
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No dcameras allowed here under 4 Mega Pixels

"J?rg Preddimann" <preddimann@skinheads.zzn.com> wrote in message
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> The Sigma SD10 is unbeatable in terms of performance speed, image
> quality, software, and optics. This camera should clearly be at the
> top of your list.
>
>
> --
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"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<40f06484$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
> I want a camera that is very fast "from pocket to picture taken". The one I
> have takes 5-10 secs switching on, and another 3-5 secs taking a picture.
> I like the Olympus (I had an OM2n, so I am biased) mju 410, which (in the
> advert) has "Extremely fast startup time and a very short shutter release
> time lag", but then I read a review that claimed the opposite.
> Is there a camera you can whip out of your pocket and take a picture with in
> less than a second ? Preferably one that will fit in a pocket!
>
> Thanks for reading my posting.

Leica M3, M4, M5, M6, MP.
 
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Gymmy Bob <nospamming@bite.me> wrote:
> No dcameras allowed here under 4 Mega Pixels
>

no dcameras that don't take 35mm camera lens allowed here at all.
Oh, and no preddi* allowed here anyways...

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:48:35 +0000 (UTC), Sander Vesik
<sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote:

>no dcameras that don't take 35mm camera lens allowed here at all.
>Oh, and no preddi* allowed here anyways...

Would adapter ring count? Some dcamera don't have any mount but can
take lens via adapter ring.
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On 19-Jul-2004, george_preddy@yahoo.com (George Preddy) wrote:

> That rules out the Kodak 14c, which is only 3.3MP after color
> interpolation.
>
> The puny Canon 1Ds sensor only has 2.7 (unbelievably noisy) MPs after
> color interpolation.
>
> The monstrous SD9/SD10 sensor has 3.43 full color MPs, the most of any
> DSLR.


I read a Review on these Sigma Cameras
And they said Great sensor but in the wrong camera "Sigma"
Sigma Letting the new Sensor chip down
 
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X-Ray-Wa wrote:

> On 19-Jul-2004, george_preddy@yahoo.com (George Preddy) wrote:
>
>
>>That rules out the Kodak 14c, which is only 3.3MP after color
>>interpolation.
>>
>>The puny Canon 1Ds sensor only has 2.7 (unbelievably noisy) MPs after
>>color interpolation.
>>
>>The monstrous SD9/SD10 sensor has 3.43 full color MPs, the most of any
>>DSLR.
>
>
>
> I read a Review on these Sigma Cameras
> And they said Great sensor but in the wrong camera "Sigma"
> Sigma Letting the new Sensor chip down

Yet again - everything Preddy writes is rubbish, but not all reviews are
much less biased (in the other direction). This month there are reviews
of the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c from Adam Woolfitt and John Henshall in two
different UK photo mags. Woolfitt describes the Sigma body as inferior
in ergonomics and focusing speed to the EOS 1DS, and also about 2/3rds
of the weight. Henshall describes is as feeling like a Tonka toy or a
Fisher-Price camera. There is little doubt that people who like the
Canon control layout don't like the Sigma layout, mainly because of the
absence of a rear thumbwheel and the use of a large top-mounted dial (in
the same position as a traditional shutter speed dial) to do this job.
The autofocus is also relatively slow and simple in its functions.

However, the Sigma SD10 body does the job it is intended to do; it has a
good shutter with a faster max speed than a *1stD, EOS 300D, 10D, Nikon
D100, Kodak DCS Pro/n, Fuji S2 - good E-TTL type flash system comparable
with Canon or Nikon at considerably lower cost - and some neat features
like a wireless remote control, mirror-up operation, three-channel
histogram and rapid viewing of RAW files from 12.5% scale to 400% (32X
magnification), rotation tagging, last deleted image instant recovery - etc.

If you list all the primary features of, say, a Canon 10D and then line
up the Sigma aganst those you get a lot of ticks missing for the Sigma -
and that is how most reviewers think. But if you list the primary
features of the SD10, and line up another camera against it and do the
same thing, guess what - things look the other way round. The only
accurate way to assess cameras is to identify ALL the primary functions
or features of every competing camera, and then tick 'em all off against
this list, but both reviewers and advertising copywriters are incredibly
good at doing the other way.
 
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Even the cheap SD9 sells for more than the Digital Rebel. I think Sigma
could do better it cut the price of it's cameras to $500 and marketed them
as economy Digital SLRs.

Paul Riemerman

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>
> X-Ray-Wa wrote:
>
>> On 19-Jul-2004, george_preddy@yahoo.com (George Preddy) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That rules out the Kodak 14c, which is only 3.3MP after color
>>>interpolation.
>>>
>>>The puny Canon 1Ds sensor only has 2.7 (unbelievably noisy) MPs after
>>>color interpolation.
>>>
>>>The monstrous SD9/SD10 sensor has 3.43 full color MPs, the most of any
>>>DSLR.
>>
>>
>>
>> I read a Review on these Sigma Cameras
>> And they said Great sensor but in the wrong camera "Sigma"
>> Sigma Letting the new Sensor chip down
>
> Yet again - everything Preddy writes is rubbish, but not all reviews are
> much less biased (in the other direction). This month there are reviews of
> the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c from Adam Woolfitt and John Henshall in two
> different UK photo mags. Woolfitt describes the Sigma body as inferior in
> ergonomics and focusing speed to the EOS 1DS, and also about 2/3rds of the
> weight. Henshall describes is as feeling like a Tonka toy or a
> Fisher-Price camera. There is little doubt that people who like the Canon
> control layout don't like the Sigma layout, mainly because of the absence
> of a rear thumbwheel and the use of a large top-mounted dial (in the same
> position as a traditional shutter speed dial) to do this job. The
> autofocus is also relatively slow and simple in its functions.
>
> However, the Sigma SD10 body does the job it is intended to do; it has a
> good shutter with a faster max speed than a *1stD, EOS 300D, 10D, Nikon
> D100, Kodak DCS Pro/n, Fuji S2 - good E-TTL type flash system comparable
> with Canon or Nikon at considerably lower cost - and some neat features
> like a wireless remote control, mirror-up operation, three-channel
> histogram and rapid viewing of RAW files from 12.5% scale to 400% (32X
> magnification), rotation tagging, last deleted image instant recovery -
> etc.
>
> If you list all the primary features of, say, a Canon 10D and then line up
> the Sigma aganst those you get a lot of ticks missing for the Sigma - and
> that is how most reviewers think. But if you list the primary features of
> the SD10, and line up another camera against it and do the same thing,
> guess what - things look the other way round. The only accurate way to
> assess cameras is to identify ALL the primary functions or features of
> every competing camera, and then tick 'em all off against this list, but
> both reviewers and advertising copywriters are incredibly good at doing
> the other way.
>
 
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:26:55 +0000 (UTC), David Kilpatrick
<iconmags3@btconnect.com> wrote:

>
>
>X-Ray-Wa wrote:
>
>> On 19-Jul-2004, george_preddy@yahoo.com (George Preddy) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That rules out the Kodak 14c, which is only 3.3MP after color
>>>interpolation.
>>>
>>>The puny Canon 1Ds sensor only has 2.7 (unbelievably noisy) MPs after
>>>color interpolation.
>>>
>>>The monstrous SD9/SD10 sensor has 3.43 full color MPs, the most of any
>>>DSLR.
>>
>>
>>
>> I read a Review on these Sigma Cameras
>> And they said Great sensor but in the wrong camera "Sigma"
>> Sigma Letting the new Sensor chip down
>
>Yet again - everything Preddy writes is rubbish, but not all reviews are
>much less biased (in the other direction). This month there are reviews
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>
>If you list all the primary features of, say, a Canon 10D and then line
>up the Sigma aganst those you get a lot of ticks missing for the Sigma -
>and that is how most reviewers think. But if you list the primary
>features of the SD10, and line up another camera against it and do the
>same thing, guess what - things look the other way round. .. snip

interesting .. how about the line up of what they are intended to do ?
... aka making pictures ? :)
 
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imbsysop wrote:

>>If you list all the primary features of, say, a Canon 10D and then line
>>up the Sigma aganst those you get a lot of ticks missing for the Sigma -
>>and that is how most reviewers think. But if you list the primary
>>features of the SD10, and line up another camera against it and do the
>>same thing, guess what - things look the other way round. .. snip
>
>
> interesting .. how about the line up of what they are intended to do ?
> .. aka making pictures ? :)
>
Well, if you want to make pictures, the score for ALL digital cameras
I've ever used - including the SD10 - is pretty close to 100 per cent
successful, which is more than I can say for film!

I've had a few unsharp images due to silly combinations of focal length
and shutter speed; a few autofocus failures, and from all makes; far
fewer exposure errors than you would imagine; plenty of 'me setting the
wrong light balance' mainly in the studio leaving cameras on auto by
mistake and having them set tungsten from the modelling lights when the
shot was actually flash. But even those, fully recoverably from raw.

The only digital camera I've used which failed to deliver a usable
picture was a Samsung cheapie bought for my daughter (hopeless
overexposure all the time). The general thing with DSLRs and prosumer
level cameras is that they deliver the goods, without exception. Results
vary, sharpness, noise, lens quality etc but when it comes to getting a
usable picture I have yet to be disappointed.

David