Fat kids arent yours

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://abcnews.go.com/Health/parents-lose-custody-obesity-children/story%3Fid%3D14062898&rct=j&sa=X&ei=Bh0eTu7DNZDEsQLuzcC2CA&ved=0CCsQ-AsoATAA&q=Harvard+doctor+ludwig+obese+children+parents&usg=AFQjCNFFCfknAr0OFuKfAFx91BAKPxO-_w

Another highly respected "expert" that needs to never ever be listened to again

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Why are they always liberal and want big gov to run our lives?
What happened to reason?

 

[Onus]

At whose expense?
By what right?

EPIC FAIL

 

[jitpublisher]

Holy cow, they already are telling restaurants what they can and can't serve, next they will be policing the grocery stores and telling them what they can and can not sell.
If I want to raise to fat kids, that is my right. If health care goes up because of it, then put my kids on the pay by the pound rate, and charge me 10 times as much as someone with average weight children. Stop the nonsense and all these things have a way of working themselves out whether it's politically correct or not.

 

[gropouce]

Holy cow, they already are telling restaurants what they can and can't serve, next they will be policing the grocery stores and telling them what they can and can not sell.

They are already doing!

i cannot send a saucissson to my friend Badge.

VERBOTEN in usa

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Remember, we can tax cigarettes, its the socially responesible thing to do, however, we cant do a thing to help them quit, not with those billions rolling in, well need it for housing of the fat kids+ all those psychiatrists and doctors, then of course the nutritionists and of course the faux parents, and no, they shouldnt have to pay for their healthcare nor their retirement plans, which is superior to the private market.
I bet they raise taxes on foods just to pay for this, and next we will havt a pukeolator, where we, well you know, into the hose on the steering wheel, so we dont get fat and drive

 

[COLGeek]

No liberals here. Thoughts?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7142589&page=1

Studies in the last few years indicate an ever increasing number of America's youth are too fat or have other issues (drugs, convictions, etc) that make them unsuitable for military service.

Aren't you concerned about our ability to have troops to defend our way of life?

Not sure about you guys, but I think our Nation (and others for that matter) have an issue here. It isn't merely politics and big government. Obesity has huge (no pun intended) impact on all of our lives, from healthcare, to productivity, to miltary readiness....

Not saying we should take kids from the parents for being fat (it is a thought though). But if the same parents were endangering their children's lives in other ways, would that be okay? If so, what is the difference.

Just throwing a little fuel on the fire, my friends.

 

[anwaypasible]

sometimes the situation is when the child is overly sensitive to their food intake.
and you either go extreme diet, or learn the right way to eat 'unhealthy' foods.

it is all about knowing your body.
and a child isnt expected to know their body if they are not constantly physically active.
if they were always physically active, they would know what they ate has in turn somehow prevented them from being physical.
could be all of the different lacking energy.
could be joint or muscle pains.

and when parents get involved without discussing the way their child feels after they eat.. they usually do more damage than any good.
limiting soda can be disasterous if the feelings throughout the day are not discussed.
sometimes it is better to drink more soda if you are going to do it.
but
the only way to know is to analyze your body.

if eating normally causes some serious obesity, then it would be a genetic problem.
allowing yourself to not absorb all that your body is requesting is a health risk.
as well as.. not knowing which things need to be trimmed from satisfaction, the over emphasis from digesting those foods can also cause a health risk.

simply a matter of 'getting with the times' and being the person who analyzes.
you cant analyze for somebody else if they are not willing to tell you what is going on.

**edit**

taking the child from the home is stupid.
it costs money to put them in a new house, and it will probably put the child in a new school district.. and the new school is enough to ruin the child's life a second time.
that is why it was already stated.. there would be intervention, kinda like a personal trainer, put in place to get the train tracks set straight.. then all the child has to do is roll on down the tracks, and the parents know about it too for helping to decide what to bring home from the grocery store.

it is easier this way.
and if the parent doesnt change anything.. chances are the parent would be fined for neglect.
not willing to help shows a sign of more problems in the home, so maybe then it would be necessary to remove the child.
the suspicious choice brings new light to a system that was ment to provide a counselor.
because when the counselor is refused, a whole investigation has to take place to learn of other problems from the parents.

i dont see a lot of obese children.
they are not skinny or without any body fat.. but certainly not visually obese.
i think the fact of needing to dive deeper into the circumstances when the counseling/intervention isnt working.. that was enough to raise question on the money to support it.
maybe that is what brought the entire article to light?

 

[Reynod]

It is a difficult subject.

I can think of reasons for and against but I would suggest that the medical profession is best able to judge individual cases ... not anyone else.

Some people are a bit chubby beause of medical problems ... it isn't the parent's fault.

Anyway ... I have fat and skinny friends ...

 

[wanamingo]

But for kids like Ludwig's 400-pound, 12-year-old patient, or those who have developed life-threatening conditions such as type 2 diabetes, and breathing and liver problems that could kill before the age of 30, temporary foster care may be an appropriate solution, said the authors.

What kind of burdens do these people impose on health care just because their parents dont know how to feed them? And the article says that taking the kids away is the last thing they want to do. This is neglect, if they were beating or abusing their kids they would be removed from the home.

 

[Reynod]

Well I ploughed my way through a heap of Lasagna and apple pie with cream tonight so I am feeling a bit guilty ... will have to do at least 10 laps of the spa tomorrow.

/goes back for seconds.

 

[wanamingo]

If people paid for themselves then it wouldn't be an issue. But, as long as there are "bailouts" for healthcare or otherwise, then you are only subsidizing and enabling bad behaviour.

Death can be a powerful motivator for corrective action.

Like how the death penalty has curbed crime? Im just playing the devils advocate I think people should do whatever floats their boat. But high fructose corn syrup is [strike]mildly [/strike] very addictive.

http://www.180degreehealth.com/high-fructose-corn-syrup.html

High-fructose corn syrup, because it is so highly refined - like cocaine or heroin, has an extremely addictive, drug-like quality as well. High-fructose corn syrup side effects include a common list of opiate side effects, as ultra-sweet-tasting refined substances like high-fructose corn syrup trigger a strong release of an opiate substance known as beta-endorphin.

Beta endorphin, although normally a healthy neurotransmitter that makes us feel good, euphoric during exercise, and free of pain - can turn against us when the ingestion of high-fructose corn syrup, other refined sugars, and any highly sweet-tasting substance spikes endorphin levels far too high. This shuts down receptor sites, creates withdrawal symptoms, and thrusts the naturally addiction-prone people into a powerful addictive trap.

So will the free market sort this out also? Or should Michelle Obama keep her mouth shut and let Americans shovel food into toddlers mouth? When companies get to do their own research craziness like this happens. American is the only country to invest so heavily in Corn Syrup.

Sun Fact: Has anyone seen those commercials that the corn growers association made? The ones where the couple is out in the field.

 

[anwaypasible]

well consider this if you must.
all of those preservatives and other crazy ingrediants are not generally found in home made foods (or the home grown foods).

to say this is a good place to start thinking about what those ingrediants are, and how they are affecting people.. it gives the government a chance to 'catch' some strange evolution of the human body that is either rejecting or inappropriately processing those ingrediants.

could be an act of terrorism, could be a serious recall that needs to happen from poorly mixed ingrediants, etc etc etc.
the government wants their hand in it first, before anything can be covered up.
that allows the government responsibility to continue being our biggest parent.


to say the government does the biggest amount of wide-spread action, that puts them in the place to make the biggest wide-spread problem.
it generally doesnt happen with food.. because the food must be tested by the government before it is licensed to be sold publicly.
but
when things like natural human evolution become involved.. the getting into action and learning about what is going on is certainly a step in the right direction to monitor such activity in the event it ever does happen.
kinda like watching the galaxy for aliens.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Lets keep walking down this path, shall we?
How about fully, and I do mean fully grown adults.
Theyre killing themselves, they cost the health systems millions if not billions, maybe we should incarcerate them into some kind of fat psycho homes/
How about, we make anything that isnt according to doctors, 100% healthy, illegal?
Shut down those businesses that simply cant make it any other way, tough.
We should also shut down the auto makers, as their cars are eating up our resources and polluting our air.
Lets get some conservative ideals going as well, and no more swearing, any swearing and its an automatic fine.
Anybody seen Sly Stallone or Wes Snipes anywheres?

 

[wanamingo]

The slippery slope argument is really hard to debate because any movement in either direction ends the discussion.

But please tell me again how the free market will fix this problem? Other than everyone who performs risky behaviors will just die(Fatties) then all the smarties who didn't get addicted to fast food or smoke will make well informed purchases therefore cleaning up the food system. While that would solve the problem (In a brutal way) its not an actual fix no one would allow that to happen.

How do you feel about the 1st lady's forays into physical fitness?

I think preventative is the best way to do it. Educate kids kids if their parents don't know how to feed them or themselves. But who would do the educating, hmmmmm not the government because that would just turn them into liberal socialist indoctrinating them with all their ideas. The gov is also going to be cutting education funding because we CANT raise taxes, just cut programs. Maybe we should just hire McDonald's or BK to teach our kids how to eat properly, they have the health of our country at their forefront right?

First they came for the fat people.......and I didn't speak out because I wasn't Fat.

 

[Gulli]

oldmangamer_73 07-14-2011 at 03:22:55 PM

"Death can be a powerful motivator for corrective action."

There you go: people will definitely learn a lesson from dying, I mean I've died a couple of times and learned a great deal out of it everytime I was magically resurrected afterwards...

In all seriousness though: the parents won't die if their kids are obese, their kids will, obviously the parents don't care about that because even with [strike]free healthcare for kids who are too young to make major informed decisions about their lives, and are stuck with parents they never got to choose[/strike] subsidized, socialized Husseincare, the possibility of an early death remains significant.

 

[Gulli]

The slippery slope argument is really hard to debate because any movement in either direction ends the discussion.

But please tell me again how the free market will fix this problem? Other than everyone who performs risky behaviors will just die(Fatties) then all the smarties who didn't get addicted to fast food or smoke will make well informed purchases therefore cleaning up the food system. While that would solve the problem (In a brutal way) its not an actual fix no one would allow that to happen.

How do you feel about the 1st lady's forays into physical fitness?

I think preventative is the best way to do it. Educate kids kids if their parents don't know how to feed them or themselves. But who would do the educating, hmmmmm not the government because that would just turn them into liberal socialist indoctrinating them with all their ideas. The gov is also going to be cutting education funding because we CANT raise taxes, just cut programs. Maybe we should just hire McDonald's or BK to teach our kids how to eat properly, they have the health of our country at their forefront right?

First they came for the fat people.......and I didn't speak out because I wasn't Fat.

Oldmangamer71 just wants "financial selection" to guide the evolution of the human race: if you (or your parents) have money you get to live, otherwise you die. I guess it's a great way to encourage fraud, robbery and exploitation (hey maybe slavery can make a comeback) because those things are much more buck for effort than honest work, and hey, only the richest get to live in the "real world", so get out of your pink fairy world you pussy liberal believer in human rights and honest work!

 

[Gulli]

Why are they always liberal and want big gov to run our lives?
What happened to reason?

Go ask the conservative bigots who think government should have the right to tell two consenting adults their love is Verboten just because they are of the same gender, and oh yeah, they can't serve in the military either, even though they have been succesfully integrated into the militaries of many countries, including that of Israel and there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever they impair the performance of their unit.

Tell me why you think the government should have the right to come into people's bedrooms but not the right to protect children against abusive parents (and yes, letting your children grown morbidly obese is abuse).

 

[Gulli]

Holy cow, they already are telling restaurants what they can and can't serve, next they will be policing the grocery stores and telling them what they can and can not sell.
If I want to raise to fat kids, that is my right. If health care goes up because of it, then put my kids on the pay by the pound rate, and charge me 10 times as much as someone with average weight children. Stop the nonsense and all these things have a way of working themselves out whether it's politically correct or not.

Yeah! My children are my property, not human beings, I can do with them however I please! I'm with ya man, tell the government like it is, and they tirrrkk errrr JERRRBBSS!


Seriously, when parents our idiots who don't care about their child's health then it takes a village (meaning people other than the parents) to raise a child. Of course it should be up to doctors to determine how much weight is too much.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Go ask the conservative bigots who think government should have the right to tell two consenting adults their love is Verboten just because they are of the same gender, and oh yeah, they can't serve in the military either, even though they have been succesfully integrated into the militaries of many countries, including that of Israel and there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever they impair the performance of their unit.

Tell me why you think the government should have the right to come into people's bedrooms but not the right to protect children against abusive parents (and yes, letting your children grown morbidly obese is abuse).

This was already discussed earlier in a different thread, and no ones saying anything other than the word and meaning since from day 1, marriage.
Others can call it what they will, and already theres talk of multi spousal "marriage" going to the supreme court.
Next itll be animals and on line AI things.
Make marriage a word that means what it has meant forever, a man and a woman, and let anyone else call it as they will, as long as it doesnt intrude upon others, give the benefits etc.
If this were to happen, the resistance would end quickly

The old, I can compare it to anything, and the slippery slope, greater argument, higher understanding etc etc ends there.
Well, you cant go there, as I havnt seem smokers get tax breaks.
I havnt seen taxes get dropped and even then favored on junk food, with less taxes on junk food.
I havnt seen fat people get free taxation to help themselves, since its obviously a money problem, as in health problem.
I say, do these things first, then we can call it a house of cards here, until then, keep the governement out of my life, my neighbors life, and let it come into your life only if youve asked, are in need, real need, not eating too many mickydees needs, but like was said earlier, abuseful, hell even if you smoke, which they havnt done a damned thing, yet take peoples money.
Nope, the slippery slope, unless youre young, has been going on for along time, and itd take more money and guts than the governent has today, yet they could start on 1 of them at least.
If you undervalue your freedoms, youre lost.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If people dont have these hard problems to solve within their lives, it becomes not worth living.
The joy of discovering ones mistakes, and solving them are priceless, and no village can change that.
At extremes, people have to know whats right.
If parents dont stop their kids from having sex, what then?Take them away too?
They spread ST diseases, cause great harm, pregnancy, abortion.
How about dress codes? Arguably, those around the ankle pants are dangerous.
Seat belt laws are intrusive, but they make sense, all the rest dont.
Helmut laws, theres another.
Kid rides his bike without a helmut, take him away from his parents
You could go on and on, and spend more and more money, itll always be something else, as long as theres ears for this

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, being blind does give you certain tax and law breaks.
That is, until you can see that those taxes and laws are aimed at you.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

Im glad hollowood is raisng the consciouness of people, I really am

 

[COLGeek]

I thought that's what boot camp is for? Remember Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket? LOL :lol:

Nope, boot camp entry has standards and many of America's youth can't even attain those super low standards. It is becoming worse and worse.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well now, heres the problem
Do we elevate the rights of the fat?
By doing so, we can then lower the requirements of the armed forces
Id say its the perfect next socila experimentation for the military

I mean, imagine how they must feel
You cant hide the color of your skin, but being fat, you cant hide all that fat, no matter what color you are
You can hide the fact if youre gay, but you cant if youre fat, and can be gay and fat.

I think we should make the fat our leaders