Discussion Features you lose upgrading to 11

[Colif]

When upgrading to Windows 11 from Windows 10 or when installing an update to Windows 11, some features may be deprecated or removed. Please see below for information regarding some of the key features impacted:

Cortana will no longer be included in the first boot experience or pinned to the Taskbar.
Desktop wallpaper cannot be roamed to or from device when signed in with a Microsoft account.
Internet Explorer is disabled. Microsoft Edge is the recommended replacement and includes IE Mode which may be useful in certain scenarios.

Math Input Panel is removed. Math Recognizer will install on demand and includes the maths input control and recogniser. Maths inking in apps like OneNote are not impacted by this change.

News & Interests has evolved. New functionality has been added which can be found by clicking the Widgets icon on the Taskbar.
Quick Status from the Lockscreen and associated settings are removed.
S Mode is only available now for Windows 11 Home edition.
Snipping Tool continues to be available but the old design and functionality in the Windows 10 version has been replaced with those of the app previously known as Snip & Sketch.

Start is significantly changed in Windows 11 including the following key deprecations and removals:

• Named groups and folders of apps are no longer supported and the layout is not currently resizable.
• Pinned apps and sites will not migrate when upgrading from Windows 10.
• Live Tiles are no longer available. For glanceable, dynamic content, see the new Widgets feature.

Tablet Mode is removed and new functionality and capability is included for keyboard attach and detach postures.

Taskbar functionality is changed including:

• People is no longer present on the Taskbar.
• Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray (systray) for upgraded devices including previous customisations.
• Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.
• Apps can no longer customise areas of the Taskbar.

Timeline is removed. Some similar functionality is available in Microsoft Edge.
Touch Keyboard will no longer dock and undock keyboard layouts on screen sizes 18 inches and larger.
Wallet is removed.
The following apps will not be removed on upgrade but will no longer be installed on new devices or when clean-installing Windows 11. They are available for download from the Store:

• 3D Viewer
• OneNote for Windows 10
• Paint 3D
• Skype

https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-11-specifications#primaryR4

Taskbar only has one option if you right click it - settings. I fear my practice of creating a desktop toolbar will have to stop. Not that i used it very often, I just don't show desktop icons so I guess I won't ever be able to access them again. I assume you can hide them on desktop.

IE is gone, try to start it and Edge loads. Now if only we could get rid of Edge next version?

everyone rushing to get it but do you know what you getting? Wonder if tpm there to throw people off all the other little changes made that will be ignored by the masses.

 

[Colif]

and those are the ones they tell you about, I am sure there are some not mentioned we will find as we go.

 

[Eximo]

Reminds me of the 8.1 launch, zero administrative capabilities over the start menu. Basically just populated itself haphazardly, I suspect it will be similar. All the new features will be presented to the end user only with no way for programs or group policy to manipulate it. Hopefully they've worked on search.

Hmm, alignment only to the bottom of the screen. Pretty sure my brother has been doing the alignment to the side since XP days.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

so glad they are ditching cortana and that ridiculous and absurd IE

that is the BEST set of changes I could ever imagine. Excellent on all counts.

 

[Colif]

Its all the things they changed that they don't feel need to mention that worry me.

their notes never tell you everything.

 

[ex_bubblehead]

The phoneification of PC's has begun/accelerated based on this new interface.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

It's an evolution of Win10, doubt all that much has changed. new shell, yeah that and better update system and more efficient memory and resource usage.

There are probably lots of little incremental changes that they don't have time to discuss the minutia

 

[Colif]

lucky its free then since its win 10 with lipstick

i wouldn't buy it for what it offers currently over 10.

 

[USAFRet]

i wouldn't buy it for what it offers currently over 10.

After giving Win 10 for free when upgrading from 7/8...they absolutely could NOT charge money for an upgrade to 11.

 

[S31FER]

I'm a huge Surface user when I travel, and I think for the most part Microsoft did a good job with Windows 11 on mobile devices. However, on a stationary machine I'm not sure how I feel. I like having my taskbar on the side of my monitor (usually the right). It appears I'll no longer be able to do that. Not the biggest issue, but annoying that they've potentially removed that ability.

 

[Colif]

Notepad is a download from the store on win 11, its not built into the installer. that may not mean much to some but notepad has been useful for collecting files off a mostly dead windows 10 install before, as its on the installer.

Now I will have to see if same trick works on 11... in a few months time

 

[USAFRet]

Notepad is a download from the store on win 11, its not built into the installer. that may not mean much to some but notepad has been useful for collecting files off a mostly dead windows 10 install before, as its on the installer.

Now I will have to see if same trick works on 11... in a few months time

Notepad?!?!
As the most basic of text editors, that should absolutely still be included in the base install.

But if they kill off 3D Builder, thats a non-starter for me.
I use that all the time for basic parts prep for the 3D printer.

 

[Colif]

i don't have it so cannot prove that it isn't on there, its possible a version will be on the installer and the store just updates it or something. that might make sense.

much of the rear end of the dev build looks like win 10 so they might massage it more to look new in coming months. task manager & right click desktop still the same.
I can happily hide icons but i can't set up a desktop toolbar, something I have done on every version of windows since i don't remember when. So I won't have any idea whats on desktop going forward.

 

[ex_bubblehead]

It's likely that they're dropping Notepad in deference to Wordpad. It can be used in a pinch. Now I haven't actually used Notepad in ages as I install Notepad++ right out of the gate these days.

 

[Colif]

i will have to check if wordpad does the same thing as I think the trick just needs an application that can access file explorer so it might be fine.

 

[USAFRet]

I like Notepad (and ++) because it is base ASCII.

WordPad wants to be WordLite.

 

[alceryes]

Most of the stuff missing/changed is 'meh'.
But I too am concerned with all the changes they DON'T tell us about. It wouldn't surprise me if they make it harder to turn off the 25+ different telemetry/privacy trackers standard in Windows 10. They'll probably make it a function of critical system/dll files.

Notepad++, FTW! I only use Notepad when I'm on a user machine without Notepad++.

 

[Joseph_138]

Absolutely none of that effects me except the taskbar being locked to the bottom. I liked putting it across the top with the clock in the upper right.

 

[revodo]

Cortana will no longer be included in the first boot experience or pinned to the Taskbar.

Thank god. The point of an AI is supposed to be intuitive, not obstructive. Keep it in the background or on-call.

Internet Explorer is disabled.

Goodnight, sweet prince. You should have been murdered 20 years ago.

News & Interests has evolved. New functionality has been added which can be found by clicking the Widgets icon on the Taskbar.

Useless. This is iPad level stuff. Anyone with a brain doesn't rely on mainstream media anyways. The lack of customization is even worse.

• Named groups and folders of apps are no longer supported and the layout is not currently resizable.
• Pinned apps and sites will not migrate when upgrading from Windows 10.
• Live Tiles are no longer available. For glanceable, dynamic content, see the new Widgets feature.

What the actual F. Removing the useless live tiles I can see, but further locking down simple things like FOLDERS and RESIZING are removed? Is Microsoft completely braindead at this point?

Tablet Mode is removed and new functionality and capability is included for keyboard attach and detach postures.

Good. Tablet mode was idiotic. A desktop is a desktop, not a tablet. Incorporating gestures is one thing, redesigning an OS UI to fit casual use is stupid.

• People is no longer present on the Taskbar.
• Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray (systray) for upgraded devices including previous customisations.
• Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.
• Apps can no longer customise areas of the Taskbar.

People was useless. I never switch the taskbar orientation but this restriction is arbitrary and stupid, especially with the "floating stat menu" design now. And last but not least, even further restrictions on customization.

Timeline is removed. Some similar functionality is available in Microsoft Edge.

Praise Jesus. Useless AF, and annoying on top of that.

The following apps will not be removed on upgrade but will no longer be installed on new devices or when clean-installing Windows 11. They are available for download from the Store:

• 3D Viewer
• OneNote for Windows 10
• Paint 3D
• Skype

I can rally behind 3 of those, but Paint? What? Why?

 

[Colif]

What the actual F. Removing the useless live tiles I can see, but further locking down simple things like FOLDERS and RESIZING are removed? Is Microsoft completely braindead at this point?

ui is in motion, what is in one build may not be in next. I can only hope they let you resize it and taskbar icon size without using a known registry hack that does it now.
i will miss folders, but I guess I just have the same icons on start menu once i remove all the preinstalled crap from there. but not as groups.

i don't know about folders reappearing but resizing should. Hopefully they listen to feedback.

Wish you could make the list of apps 2 columns, less scrolling

not sure what

• Apps can no longer customise areas of the Taskbar.

actually refers to. I can't think of any that do

widget screen in Insider build at least lets you remove and add them, but choice is meh. I will just disable the button on taskbar and never see them again. Only one I would use is weather really. If you could put them on the actual desktop they might even be useful, but having to open a tab to see them? AM I on my phone now?

 

[Eximo]

not sure what

• Apps can no longer customise areas of the Taskbar.

actually refers to. I can't think of any that do

Probably just no way to automatically add things to the taskbar as many programs do now. Basically, they are saying they aren't going to make a method available and leave it up to the end user to add things. At least that was my interpretation.

I posted earlier that it reminded me of how the start menu in Windows 8.1 was basically only modifiable from the UI. You couldn't re-arrange/re-size tiles, set colors, set groupings (to some extent remove tiles) or do anything administratively or programmatically. All had to be done by hand. This changed in Windows 10, and they had some features, but also a more traditional start menu.

 

[Colif]

Probably just no way to automatically add things to the taskbar as many programs do now. Basically, they are saying they aren't going to make a method available and leave it up to the end user to add things. At least that was my interpretation.

might be. Some of these things we won't know until we get it. Or unless you see it in a video. Or know someone with insiders.

11 like 8 is where they trying to merge desktop into mobile again, or it feels that way to me.

 

[ss_56]

Hey; can we still talk about this in 2023? I've upgraded to windows 10 22H2. that's the last one right? and it will lose support in 2025? Is that right?
At that point i'll have to buy a dang windows 11 license key and install it - that will be the year i upgrade my destop pc, assuming the components i have - keep working till then.
Your first mention was that cortana, which i disabled immediately and if windows 11 does not even have it built in then that's wonderful news for me - same with IE - i haven't found a need to use that browser since the XP days.
Switching to 10 from 7 caused me plenty of anxiety and i stuck with 7 until they dropped support for it.
I hope 11 install will be like 10 and have all those metrics switches to opt out of and i hope i can use O&O to get rid of all those apps i never use and also hope someone will have one of those utilities where you make win 11 look like win 10. Should be, hopefully be, easy enough to get used to..........since in the world as it is - everything is a <Mod Edit> sandwich and they just tell us over and over that it's good and at some point i guess i just eat that <Mod Edit>...but i still ain't smilin! man's gotta keep his dignity

 

[USAFRet]

Hey; can we still talk about this in 2023? I've upgraded to windows 10 22H2. that's the last one right? and it will lose support in 2025? Is that right?
At that point i'll have to buy a dang windows 11 license key and install it - that will be the year i upgrade my destop pc, assuming the components i have - keep working till then.
Your first mention was that cortana, which i disabled immediately and if windows 11 does not even have it built in then that's wonderful news for me - same with IE - i haven't found a need to use that browser since the XP days.
Switching to 10 from 7 caused me plenty of anxiety and i stuck with 7 until they dropped support for it.
I hope 11 install will be like 10 and have all those metrics switches to opt out of and i hope i can use O&O to get rid of all those apps i never use and also hope someone will have one of those utilities where you make win 11 look like win 10. Should be, hopefully be, easy enough to get used to..........since in the world as it is - everything is a <Mod Edit> sandwich and they just tell us over and over that it's good and at some point i guess i just eat that <Mod Edit>...but i still ain't smilin! man's gotta keep his dignity

There is little difference between 10 and 11, except for the TPM requirement.

A currently valid Win 10 license WILL activate a valid Win 11 install.
Obviously, only one system at a time. Can't use both 10 and 11 from that same license purchase.

 

[ss_56]

That's good to know, thanks.
Yes, it's that TPM requirement that has me upgrading my system :/

Cheers