Figure question (mostly topical, only a little not)

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Hi all,

Long background leading to questions:
I don't really wargame anymore. However, I do build models and dioramas.

Recently a co-worker (his full time job is high scool history teacher/coach)
discussed the idea of having kids volunteer to get extra credit by researching,
then producing dioramas. Since I like to try to get kids into model building
(I believe, a close cousin to wargmaing if handled right), I was offering to
donate some old kits of men and machines.

I like 1/72 scale as it is still affordable in finance and space terms.
However, I feel the standard ranges are good, and expanding, but not very
diverse in form and function without considerable skill at modification.


Finally, the questions;

1. Tying directly to this group is; how well do 1/72 plastic and metal figures
work next to each other (painted)?

2. For the metal, is 20, 22, or 25mm actually closest to 1/72?
The last time I dealt with metal figures of my own was in the late 70s and
early 80s for D&D. I recall the "25mm" seemed mighty thick next to the 1/72
soldiers. At this point, I recall borrowing some 15mm for a Nappy campaign in
college (much too small) and one other scale for ACW, but can't recall the
size, but it seemed close to 1/72.

3. Any suggestions for AWI metals offering artillery and/or support elements
(ex. medical, casualties, civilians, other)?

4. Same as 3 but for ACW?

5. As 3 and 4 but for WWII (both Europe and Pacific)?

6. Any other insights?

I appreciate any and all help.
 
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Qualicast and Newline both make "20mm" ranges that are intended to be
compatible with 1/72 plastic. Because metal is fragile, and because
plastics are sculpted at a larger scale and pantographed down, it is not
really possible to get metal figures exactly like the plastics -- they
always seem to be a little thicker, especially weapons, and the hands
and heads tend to be too big. The gaps in plastics are rapidly being
filled, too, especially in Napoleonics, Ancients, and early 20th
century. See www.plasticsoldierreview.com

SamVanga wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Long background leading to questions:
> I don't really wargame anymore. However, I do build models and dioramas.
>
> Recently a co-worker (his full time job is high scool history teacher/coach)
> discussed the idea of having kids volunteer to get extra credit by researching,
> then producing dioramas. Since I like to try to get kids into model building
> (I believe, a close cousin to wargmaing if handled right), I was offering to
> donate some old kits of men and machines.
>
> I like 1/72 scale as it is still affordable in finance and space terms.
> However, I feel the standard ranges are good, and expanding, but not very
> diverse in form and function without considerable skill at modification.
>
>
> Finally, the questions;
>
> 1. Tying directly to this group is; how well do 1/72 plastic and metal figures
> work next to each other (painted)?
>
> 2. For the metal, is 20, 22, or 25mm actually closest to 1/72?
> The last time I dealt with metal figures of my own was in the late 70s and
> early 80s for D&D. I recall the "25mm" seemed mighty thick next to the 1/72
> soldiers. At this point, I recall borrowing some 15mm for a Nappy campaign in
> college (much too small) and one other scale for ACW, but can't recall the
> size, but it seemed close to 1/72.
>
> 3. Any suggestions for AWI metals offering artillery and/or support elements
> (ex. medical, casualties, civilians, other)?
>
> 4. Same as 3 but for ACW?
>
> 5. As 3 and 4 but for WWII (both Europe and Pacific)?
>
> 6. Any other insights?
>
> I appreciate any and all help.
>
 
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>The gaps in plastics are rapidly being
>filled, too, especially in Napoleonics, Ancients, and early 20th
>century. See www.plasticsoldierreview.com

Hi Mike,

I love plasticsoldierreview.com, it is well done and very thorough.

I agree that plastics are expanding their scope. But, I only recall one ever
medical set for example. A poorly done (as far as the usual weak sculpting for
the line) Atlantic set in the 70s.

I don't think I've seen any civilian sets since Airfix in the 60-70s.
Preiser and some fo the reailroad figures sorta/kinda work, but not really in
scale usually.

I can only think of one Hat set of partisans for the Napoleon period, in
development. A set of WWII partisans from say France could probably do work
for most of the world into the present (maybe another set for Eastern Europe,
same period).

Artillery continues to be weak to non existant except for the Amer. Civil
War. Then, when say, Revell, does some great sets, they go out of production
(I recently saw some 30 Yrs. War artillery on eBay around $30 and time to go,
I'm starting to think about keeping or selling my own at this rate). And,
Amer. Revolutionary artillery is not there in plastic AFAIK.

It is just frustrating is all. Metals seem to expand the offerings in some
aspects. And, if my buddy and I get this idea off the ground, it would be
interesting to see it developed (assuming any kids are interested even).
 
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> SamVanga wrote:

> > 1. Tying directly to this group is; how well do 1/72 plastic and metal
figures
> > work next to each other (painted)?

Depends on the ranges but I regularly mix 20mm metals and plastics, although
it is probably best to avoid mixing tall thin plastics with some of the
squat metal dwarves (can anyone say 'Brittania'?) out there.

> > 2. For the metal, is 20, 22, or 25mm actually closest to 1/72?

Depends where you are measuring from, I mix 1/72nd scale figs with the
larger 20mm manufacturers (IT, FAA etc) although the smaller ones (SHQ) can
look OK as well. 25mm (or 28/30 whatever it has mutated into) is going to be
too big.

> > 3. Any suggestions for AWI metals offering artillery and/or support
elements
> > (ex. medical, casualties, civilians, other)?

> > 4. Same as 3 but for ACW?

Irregular have reasonable 20mm ranges covering both of these (or other
ranges which could be used to cover them)
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/

Newline are OK as well:
http://www.newlinedesigns.co.uk/

> > 5. As 3 and 4 but for WWII (both Europe and Pacific)?

There are vast ranges of 20mm metals available for this, SHQ has very
complete offerings though.

Cheers
Martin
 
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>There are vast ranges of 20mm metals available for this, SHQ has very
>complete offerings though.

Hello,

Excellent! I'll be hitting soem web sites. Many thanks.