Final watercooling review before purchase.

[X1XNobleX1X]

his is what I have come up with over comments that have been made:
PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart
1 x XSPC PETG Bending Rubber - $4.00ea
1 x EK Supremacy EVO X99 CPU Waterblock Nickel - $79.00ea
2 x EK CoolStream XE 480 Quad Radiator - $149.00ea
6 x XSPC PETG Tubing Clear 14/10mm 50cm 2 Pack - $6.00ea
1 x EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM Pump - $129.00ea
3 x EK Ekoolant Pastel Concentrate 250ml White - $22.00ea
1 x EK RES X3 250 Reservoir - $69.00ea
12 x XSPC G1/4 Chrome to 14/10mm PETG Triple Seal Fitting - $6.00ea
1 x Alphacool 2 Way Ball Valve G1/4 Chrome - $9.00ea
Total: $718.00 - @pccasegear.com 19/01/2016
Edited by X1XNobleX1X - Today at 11:03 pm

As you can see, the build will be done in a 900D with rads both at the top and bottom basement.

- The purple line in the picture is the drain port.

 

[Zerk2012]

2 X 480mm rads are massive overkill for just the processor.
I would also recommend the Dual pump D5, if your single pump goes out your PC is 100% down if you have dual pumps you keep going till a replacement comes in.

 

[cosmoji]

yeah, way too much radiator space. without overclocking, you only need about 120mm per component. with overclocking, maybe double that for safety(though thats still a lot). i would cut down to a single 240, or just 1 480 if you intend to add the 2 gpus to the loop.

 

[rubix_1011]

That kind of depends...just saying that a 120 or 240 is enough, you really need to know what you need in terms of watts to be dissipated. It depends on flow rate, fans used and what actual radiators are in question before you can make an assumption. On average, a single 120mm worth of a good radiator (not those AIO rads) will dissipate up to 150w with very good fans and a flow rate of over 1.0 GPM. However, this is often not how ideal loops are always constructed, so you might only see 120-130w of potential dissipation. Overclocked i7's can easily reach and surpass this threshold on their own.

 

[4Ryan6]

That kind of depends...just saying that a 120 or 240 is enough, you really need to know what you need in terms of watts to be dissipated. It depends on flow rate, fans used and what actual radiators are in question before you can make an assumption. On average, a single 120mm worth of a good radiator (not those AIO rads) will dissipate up to 150w with very good fans and a flow rate of over 1.0 GPM. However, this is often not how ideal loops are always constructed, so you might only see 120-130w of potential dissipation. Overclocked i7's can easily reach and surpass this threshold on their own.

I totally agree!

It really depends on what CPU we're talking about, and just how far he intends to overclock it?

In some overclock situations and high overclock goals 2 480s would not be enough.

 

[Zerk2012]

Since he's buying a X99 water block then a single 480mm rad would be plenty pretty much no matter how high he wishes to overclock. With diminishing returns and the limits of the chip it's self if he needs more than that then might look at liquid nitrogen.
And yes just saying 1 part 1 120mm rad is nothing near the way it works.

 

[4Ryan6]

Since he's buying a X99 water block then a single 480mm rad would be plenty pretty much no matter how high he wishes to overclock. With diminishing returns and the limits of the chip it's self if he needs more than that then might look at liquid nitrogen.
And yes just saying 1 part 1 120mm rad is nothing near the way it works.

I disagree!

He does not have to go to LN2 to get around diminishing returns, I get around that everyday with my Chilled Water Cooling, and as long as everything else is hardware overclockable the CPU limits are directly heat and overclock knowledge related.

As I already stated it depends on how far he intends to overclock, 2 480s will definitely yield a better DeltaT, allowing a further overclock.

By your signature list, I don't see you running a serious cooling solution for your 4790K 4.6ghz OC and 2 480s are way past what your Cryorig R1 can handle, so where are you getting your water cooling advice?

Do you have custom water cooling experience?

I find it refreshing that X1XNobleX1X, is doing it right!

Many out here in the forums only go partially where they should and end up super disappointed but he is going to have a killer setup.

 

[Zerk2012]

Since he's buying a X99 water block then a single 480mm rad would be plenty pretty much no matter how high he wishes to overclock. With diminishing returns and the limits of the chip it's self if he needs more than that then might look at liquid nitrogen.
And yes just saying 1 part 1 120mm rad is nothing near the way it works.

I disagree!

He does not have to go to LN2 to get around diminishing returns, I get around that everyday with my Chilled Water Cooling, and as long as everything else is hardware overclockable the CPU limits are directly heat and overclock knowledge related.

As I already stated it depends on how far he intends to overclock, 2 480s will definitely yield a better DeltaT, allowing a further overclock.

By your signature list, I don't see you running a serious cooling solution for your 4790K 4.6ghz OC and 2 480s are way past what your Cryorig R1 can handle, so where are you getting your water cooling advice?

Do you have custom water cooling experience?

I find it refreshing that X1XNobleX1X, is doing it right!

Many out here in the forums only go partially where they should and end up super disappointed but he is going to have a killer setup.

I've had a bunch of custom loop experience and have been building PC's longer than most people that post here are old, I was doing it when you could still make money and not just a whores game of who could skimp the most on cheap parts. From what I have read in a lot of posts here the average age of the people giving advice is somewhere in the 12 year old area.
Diminishing returns on overclocking is very real. My personal experience was using my i5 2500K custom loop, benched at 4.0 and 4.4 their were a bigger gain than 4.8 to 5.2. ( I was still running this at 4.8 with a simple H100 after pump failure and decided a custom loop was not worth the effort)
On a side note their nothing wrong with air cooling if your not going to the extreme side the R1 is a very good cooler and my 4.6 OC is still very cool running OCCT in the low 70's it still leaves more room but I see no reason to go higher right now it performs just fine.
As with anything PC related you get to a point where you can build a PC then throw extra money into your build and not get anything near the extra performance for the extra money. I have seen so many builds posted in the 3K area that I could build a PC for 1K less and get within 5% of the same exact performance for a 33% price decrease.
Anybody that's going to throw that much money into a custom loop and is not going to run dual pumps needs to go the Best Buy and buy a simple Hyper 212 for when/if their pump fails.
By your signature list, I don't see you running a serious cooling solution for your 4790K 4.6ghz OC and 2 480s are way past what your Cryorig R1 can handle, so where are you getting your water cooling advice? (This looks like a personal attack)
Since your trying to get personal on my build maybe you were better off as a retired mod and not posting. You know nothing about me or my knowledge.
Think about it 960mm of rad for a single processor? Dissipating just 50 Watts per 120mm would be 400 Watts. Fried MB?

 

[4Ryan6]

I've had a bunch of custom loop experience and have been building PC's longer than most people that post here are old, I was doing it when you could still make money and not just a whores game of who could skimp the most on cheap parts. From what I have read in a lot of posts here the average age of the people giving advice is somewhere in the 12 year old area.
Diminishing returns on overclocking is very real. My personal experience was using my i5 2500K custom loop, benched at 4.0 and 4.4 their were a bigger gain than 4.8 to 5.2. ( I was still running this at 4.8 with a simple H100 after pump failure and decided a custom loop was not worth the effort)
On a side note their nothing wrong with air cooling if your not going to the extreme side the R1 is a very good cooler and my 4.6 OC is still very cool running OCCT in the low 70's it still leaves more room but I see no reason to go higher right now it performs just fine.
As with anything PC related you get to a point where you can build a PC then throw extra money into your build and not get anything near the extra performance for the extra money. I have seen so many builds posted in the 3K area that I could build a PC for 1K less and get within 5% of the same exact performance for a 33% price decrease.
Anybody that's going to throw that much money into a custom loop and is not going to run dual pumps needs to go the Best Buy and buy a simple Hyper 212 for when/if their pump fails.
By your signature list, I don't see you running a serious cooling solution for your 4790K 4.6ghz OC and 2 480s are way past what your Cryorig R1 can handle, so where are you getting your water cooling advice? (This looks like a personal attack)
Since your trying to get personal on my build maybe you were better off as a retired mod and not posting. You know nothing about me or my knowledge.
Think about it 960mm of rad for a single processor? Dissipating just 50 Watts per 120mm would be 400 Watts. Fried MB?

By your signature list, I don't see you running a serious cooling solution for your 4790K 4.6ghz OC and 2 480s are way past what your Cryorig R1 can handle, so where are you getting your water cooling advice? (This looks like a personal attack)
Since your trying to get personal on my build maybe you were better off as a retired mod and not posting. You know nothing about me or my knowledge.

I was not attempting to get personal, just trying to ascertain where you were coming from with your advice, but you are getting personal with your retired mod comment.

I did not say there was anything wrong with air cooling but I am saying your Cryorig R1 has the comparative cooling of a single slim 240 rad, so anything greater than that, (radiator size wise), will out perform the cooling level of your present air cooling solution.

Since you say you have a bunch of custom loop experience, you should know that.

Now if he has no overclocking plans the build is completely overkill and unnecessary, but it is his money to spend, and this is the overclocking section.

My point is a DeltaT closer to ambient gives higher overclocking room and 2 480 rads will give the OP a nice DeltaT, along with a better OCing headroom, it is his money to spend, not yours or mine.

 

[rubix_1011]

Easy, guys.

I can see both sides of this discussion and it's mainly a matter of preference on delta but I would agree that 2x 480's is overkill for only a CPU - he's going to have like a 1C delta. However, given that OP also has SLI cards, perhaps there is the thought of adding them to the loop at some point, which would mean he's planning ahead.

The good thing is that we do have some good experience in the thread by you guys, so let's try to help out and determine what comes next. There's no sense to try and argue on some of these details as we don't yet know enough information to advise much further. Even then, offer advice with points of fact and intent so there is a good debate and discussion.

 

[4Ryan6]

Maybe the OP will input his intentions regarding his build and more info will be available?