Finland in the rules

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The rules (at http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map I've
seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?

 

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If you use the current edition of the rules, the distinction is not merely
academic. Civil Disorder disbandments (including disbandments in lieu of
illegal disbandments submitted by a player) are now to be made by
calculating distance to nearest province in the "home country", *not* the
nearest home supply center.

For example, under all of the previous editions of the rules, Russia would
disband F Fin before F GoB (equal distance, then alphabetical order), but
under the new edition, F GoB is disbanded before F Fin.


"Dvd Avins" <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:XktTd.69313$g16.1273@trndny08...
> The rules (at http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
> list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map I've
> seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
> nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
> Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
> Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?

 

[henry]

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:22:31 GMT, Dvd Avins <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com>
wrote:
>The rules (at http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
>list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map I've
>seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
>nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
>Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
>Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?

Finland was autonomous in 1901, but its Grand Duke happened to be Tzar
of all the Russias.

 

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"David E. Cohen" <david_e_cohen@yahoo.com> writes:

>If you use the current edition of the rules, the distinction is not merely
>academic. Civil Disorder disbandments (including disbandments in lieu of
>illegal disbandments submitted by a player) are now to be made by
>calculating distance to nearest province in the "home country", *not* the
>nearest home supply center.

>For example, under all of the previous editions of the rules, Russia would
>disband F Fin before F GoB (equal distance, then alphabetical order), but
>under the new edition, F GoB is disbanded before F Fin.


>"Dvd Avins" <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
>news:XktTd.69313$g16.1273@trndny08...
>> The rules (at http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
>> list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map I've
>> seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
>> nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
>> Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
>> Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?

Uggh, another monstrosity in the Hasbro rules, I forgot about that one.
The "country" doesn't supply units, SC's supply units, I think that
is a very poor rule!!

Jim-Bob

 

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Under all previous editions, it was distance to home Supply Center.
The status of Finland (and for that matter Albania and North Africa)
was irrelevant, since they were not Supply Center provinces.


Dvd Avins wrote:
> David E. Cohen wrote:
> > If you use the current edition of the rules, the distinction is not
merely
> > academic. Civil Disorder disbandments (including disbandments in
lieu of
> > illegal disbandments submitted by a player) are now to be made by
> > calculating distance to nearest province in the "home country",
*not* the
> > nearest home supply center.
> >
> > For example, under all of the previous editions of the rules,
Russia would
> > disband F Fin before F GoB (equal distance, then alphabetical
order), but
> > under the new edition, F GoB is disbanded before F Fin.
>
> But under previous versions of the rules, wasn't Finland part of
Russia?
> If so, GoB would still have been disbanded first. Obviously, there
are
> other places on the map where the rule change would change play. But
in
> this case, it seems the map change and the civil-disorder change
> counteract each other.
>
> > "Dvd Avins" <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
> > news:XktTd.69313$g16.1273@trndny08...
> >
> >>The rules (at
http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
> >>list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map
I've
> >>seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
> >>nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
> >>Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
> >>Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?

 

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In each revision of the rules, a number of problems get fixed, some
problems are ignored, and a few things get made worse. I agree with
you. This is one of the things that got made worse.


Jim Burgess wrote:
> "David E. Cohen" <david_e_cohen@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >If you use the current edition of the rules, the distinction is not
merely
> >academic. Civil Disorder disbandments (including disbandments in
lieu of
> >illegal disbandments submitted by a player) are now to be made by
> >calculating distance to nearest province in the "home country",
*not* the
> >nearest home supply center.
>
> >For example, under all of the previous editions of the rules, Russia
would
> >disband F Fin before F GoB (equal distance, then alphabetical
order), but
> >under the new edition, F GoB is disbanded before F Fin.
>
>
> >"Dvd Avins" <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
> >news:XktTd.69313$g16.1273@trndny08...
> >> The rules (at
http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
> >> list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map
I've
> >> seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
> >> nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
> >> Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status
of
> >> Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?
>
> Uggh, another monstrosity in the Hasbro rules, I forgot about that
one.
> The "country" doesn't supply units, SC's supply units, I think that
> is a very poor rule!!
>
> Jim-Bob

 

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David E. Cohen wrote:
> If you use the current edition of the rules, the distinction is not merely
> academic. Civil Disorder disbandments (including disbandments in lieu of
> illegal disbandments submitted by a player) are now to be made by
> calculating distance to nearest province in the "home country", *not* the
> nearest home supply center.
>
> For example, under all of the previous editions of the rules, Russia would
> disband F Fin before F GoB (equal distance, then alphabetical order), but
> under the new edition, F GoB is disbanded before F Fin.

But under previous versions of the rules, wasn't Finland part of Russia?
If so, GoB would still have been disbanded first. Obviously, there are
other places on the map where the rule change would change play. But in
this case, it seems the map change and the civil-disorder change
counteract each other.

> "Dvd Avins" <dvdNOavinsSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:XktTd.69313$g16.1273@trndny08...
>
>>The rules (at http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf)
>>list Finland as being independent, but every version of the map I've
>>seen (except those with the sensible deviation of not showing
>>nationality for *any* non-supply-center) shows Finland as part of
>>Russia. Has Hasbro changed the (meaningless but official) status of
>>Finland, or are the published rules just incorrect?