Question First AM5 Build - Early Adopter Questions

[3Jay]

Hello everyone reading,

My build consists as follows -
CPU: Ryzen 9 7950x3D
CPU cooler: Asus ROG Strix LC II 360 ARGB
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B650E-F
Ram: Corsair Dominator32GB (2x16GB) 5600MHz
SSD: Samsung SSD 980 Pro 2TB
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 4TB
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080Ti
PSU: Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum
Chassis: Lian Li 011 Dyanmic
OS: Windows 11 (22H2)
Monitor (Main): HP 25x
Monitor (Side): Dell IN910N

This is my first high-end CPU build, and I'm still saving up to buy a top tier GPU but with the current prices I will probably wait another year.

A couple of questions I have mostly concern around the 7950x3D and the AIO cooler.
So when game mode is enabled, the CPU will park half of the cores and boost the other half to ~5.0Ghz when a game is focused.
However, as I discovered, some games have clients or lobbies that you are in as part of matchmaking.
Prime example would be League of Legends, when I idle in the lobby client it will park the cores and enable the boost.
Which consequently makes the temps drastically higher and with the current fan curves I have make my system that much louder.
I have read but not found how to add or remove applications from the game bar? Is that a library of some sort? That way one can manually remove applications like clients and actually add the game executable?

Since the 7950x3D is new to the public there aren't many numbers out, maybe there is but I can't come across them or they're being buried by reviews?
What is the optimal operating temperature during the game boost?
My current temperature is 40-55℃ when doing causal discord/browsing/general applications and around 65-85℃ when a game is focused.
This is another concern I have, is it normal for the temps to drop when I click out of the game? I'm sure it has something to do with the clock speed/voltage that increases and decreases temps in this manner.

Should I be concerned with this temps or find a workaround when I go afk, like click out of the game to re-enable the parked cores?
Is my AIO pump at 80% good enough or do I push it to 100% at all times? I can tolerate the small amount of noise it makes with my headset, but when the stock fans ramp up they can get pretty loud and vibrate a tad to much.

 

[Why_Me]

I would wait until April 6th when this cpu is due to be released and look for the reviews of it on sites such as this one.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

DDR5 6000 is the sweet spot for Zen5 and games benefit from lower latency.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374418
G.SKILL Flare X5 series AMD EXPO DDR5 6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL32 $127.99

Save a few dollars on the SSD.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4K...tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e
Western Digital Black SN770 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVME SSD $119.99

If you want a case with better airflow and is easier to work with.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KKytt6/lian-li-lancool-216-atx-mid-tower-case-lancool-216rx
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case $116.98

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804799755608.html
Lian-Li LANCOOL 216 ARGB Control & USB Module (Black) $13.99

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbhuv6yLBc

Less hassle vs an AIO and does the job.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mk...k-argb-6788-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag620-bkanmn-g-2
DeepCool BK ARGB Dual Tower CPU Cooler $49.99

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ag620-air-cooler

 

[logainofhades]

If the intend use of this system is strictly gaming, I agree on waiting for the 7800x3d.

 

[Maebius]

Uh, guys. I think that's his system already, no? 🙄

AiO pump is strongly recommended to always run at 100%.

The fans are the real noisy ones, not the pump. If you actually think you hear the pump, something is wrong.
Try with the pump at 100% first and check your temps.

Also, where is your radiator placed? Side intake or top exhaust?
In your PC case I would put it as top exhaust.

 

[kerberos_20]

So when game mode is enabled, the CPU will park half of the cores and boost the other half to ~5.0Ghz when a game is focused.
However, as I discovered, some games have clients or lobbies that you are in as part of matchmaking.
Prime example would be League of Legends, when I idle in the lobby client it will park the cores and enable the boost.
Which consequently makes the temps drastically higher and with the current fan curves I have make my system that much louder.

use hotkey in rivatunner to limit framerate when youre in lobby/going afk that way cpu wont be pushing frames that hard
than press another hotkey to remove framelimit when in game

 

[3Jay]

Uh, guys. I think that's his system already, no? 🙄

AiO pump is strongly recommended to always run at 100%.

The fans are the real noisy ones, not the pump. If you actually think you hear the pump, something is wrong.
Try with the pump at 100% first and check your temps.

Also, where is your radiator placed? Side intake or top exhaust?
In your PC case I would put it as top exhaust.

Yes that is my system currently, I apologize if this was not the right place to make this post.

I don't really have an issue running it at 100% but I can hear a very faint high frequency sound. Nothing of the grinding or buzzing that I have seen in other videos.
Here is a video with fans at 0% for demonstration.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWgBMLWb_jw

It could be that there is the slighest of air trapped in there? Would the tilting around do something in my case or could that cause more damage?
I did buy a 2 year warranty plan for the mobo and the AiO since it was my first time ever installing a AiO. That said, if it does give me any issues I can go to MicroCenter and get it replaced. I still do have my old PC as a fallback in case this one ever needs maintenance or replacements.

I had it on the top as an exhaust but after I saw tons of hot air coming out I relocated it as an intake on the side. I do plan on adding two more fans on the bottom and maybe replacing the ROG stock ones for Lian Li uni fans.

 

[3Jay]

use hotkey in rivatunner to limit framerate when youre in lobby/going afk that way cpu wont be pushing frames that hard
than press another hotkey to remove framelimit when in game

Thank you for this! I didn't know I can do such a thing, I tried it out with out a hotkey as I am still figuring RTSS and I must say it is such a handy tool.
Any other tips and tricks you know pertaining to RTSS or maybe just handy applications to have?

 

[Maebius]

Yes that is my system currently, I apologize if this was not the right place to make this post.

I don't really have an issue running it at 100% but I can hear a very faint high frequency sound. Nothing of the grinding or buzzing that I have seen in other videos.
Here is a video with fans at 0% for demonstration.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWgBMLWb_jw

It could be that there is the slighest of air trapped in there? Would the tilting around do something in my case or could that cause more damage?
I did buy a 2 year warranty plan for the mobo and the AiO since it was my first time ever installing a AiO. That said, if it does give me any issues I can go to MicroCenter and get it replaced. I still do have my old PC as a fallback in case this one ever needs maintenance or replacements.

I had it on the top as an exhaust but after I saw tons of hot air coming out I relocated it as an intake on the side. I do plan on adding two more fans on the bottom and maybe replacing the ROG stock ones for Lian Li uni fans.

I cannot hear anything funky that sounds pump related but I'm on my phone.
AIOs can have a tiny bit of air inside and over a long time they will accumulate a bit more through permeation , but where you place the radiator and their tubes is what determines if that will cause a problem.
If you front mount the AIO, the tubes should go straight down from the pump towards the bottom of the case.
That way, any tiny air bubbles will slowly make their way towards the top of the radiator (which should be higher than where the pump is) and will stay there, not affecting the cooling circuit.

Moving the radiator as an intake has 3 key attributes.

1. The CPU is cooled quite well since it gets fresh air! (assuming the fans push air through the radiator. If they pull, that's bad orientation)
2. The rest of the case has higher temperature as it's fed with hot air from cooling your CPU (if you get a newer GPU that's more power hungry, you might have issues)
3. If your only intake is the front, the airflow obviously is blocked by the radiator, as has to squeeze through it. In essence you're creating airflow problems.

On your 'idling at lobby' with high fps issue, are you running the game with no frame cap at all? No vsync/gsync setting?
I admit I don't play LoL at all, but that thing could be running at 500FPS with your new CPU which is completely unnecessary lol (pun intended)

 

[3Jay]

I cannot hear anything funky that sounds pump related but I'm on my phone.
AIOs can have a tiny bit of air inside and over a long time they will accumulate a bit more through permeation , but where you place the radiator and their tubes is what determines if that will cause a problem.
If you front mount the AIO, the tubes should go straight down from the pump towards the bottom of the case.
That way, any tiny air bubbles will slowly make their way towards the top of the radiator (which should be higher than where the pump is) and will stay there, not affecting the cooling circuit.

Moving the radiator as an intake has 3 key attributes.

1. The CPU is cooled quite well since it gets fresh air! (assuming the fans push air through the radiator. If they pull, that's bad orientation)
2. The rest of the case has higher temperature as it's fed with hot air from cooling your CPU (if you get a newer GPU that's more power hungry, you might have issues)
3. If your only intake is the front, the airflow obviously is blocked by the radiator, as has to squeeze through it. In essence you're creating airflow problems.

On your 'idling at lobby' with high fps issue, are you running the game with no frame cap at all? No vsync/gsync setting?
I admit I don't play LoL at all, but that thing could be running at 500FPS with your new CPU which is completely unnecessary lol (pun intended)

That's why I am unsure if it's normal of if I should get it replaced. I have seen a review video where they test the noise levels of various AIO pumps and most make similar, although not as loud, sounds when operating at 100%.

That is the way I have it setup.
Intake tubes on the bottom and pushing air through the radiator.
I see the air flow problem that can and will be created with having it as intake,
is this why I see most people double stacking fans top and bottom of the radiator to increase the airflow?

The issue I suppose is not that it has high FPS because I cannot see how many frames it's generating and I tried riva tunning capping the client but it doesn't seem to affect the CPU boost whatsoever.

Nor other games for that matter, it only affects the GPU utilization.

I guess I must dig deeper and find a way to remove it from the game bar.
Or find out how the detection feature works because although you can set other applications as games or not through the gamebar setting. Games that are already defined cannot be removed and games like League of Legends use different applications/executables for the lobby and game.

 

[Maebius]

The issue I suppose is not that it has high FPS because I cannot see how many frames it's generating and I tried riva tunning capping the client but it doesn't seem to affect the CPU boost whatsoever.

Riva tuner has an overlay option for it to display the frame rate. From what you're reporting, if it's game related, when you're in it probably runs at a ridiculous amount of fps, being an old, not demanding game.

Can you confirm if you have any v-sync/frame options set on the nvidia control panel?
Those are Max Frame Rate, paired with Monitor Technology (G-sync compatible?) and also V-sync (default is application controlled)

I see that LOL also has a v-sync option (wait for vertical v-sync). I suppose you have it disabled.

I would advise you to start by going to nvidia control panel and set G-sync Compatible (if your monitor supports it and you got proper cable connected) and cap your frame rate to 1 FPS over your monitor's max refresh rate.

As for double stacking fans, yeah, if front mounted, it's not uncommon to put fans on both sides, especially if it's an intake that's obstructed