First gaming pc build

[Sue Goy]

I am trying to find a parts list for my first build, and this one looked pretty good on the website. Anyone see any problems or improvements that keep the price around $600?
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400
MOBO MSI B350M
GPU EVGA GTX 1060 3GB
RAM Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB
HDD Seagate 1 TB
CASE VIVO V01
PSU Antec VP-450W
ODD Samsung 24x SATA

 

[Hellfire13]

More robust build...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $615.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-08 23:15 EDT-0400

 

[Sue Goy]

More robust build...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $615.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-08 23:15 EDT-0400

Sorry, I'm really new to building. What exactly makes this build more robust? Also, is robust the same performance for lower cost?

 

[Hellfire13]

Ryzen shines with higher frequency RAM. DDR4 3000 will make this build perform better. Also RX580 4GB is a slightly better card than GTX 1060 3GB.

 

[Chugalug_]

My recommendation.
A better mobo is worth it over a higher wattage PSU which wouldn't see any advantage with the system.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $614.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-08 23:47 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

I did consider that PSU, but it comes with a mail in rebate, which is pretty inconvenient.

 

[Chugalug_]

So does the 550w.

 

[Hellfire13]

Is it??? Ohh crap 😛 Should have paid more attention. I think in that case Seasonic 430w is a better option. Its just a $5 rebate instead of $20... https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4Vzv6h/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii430b

 

[Chugalug_]

Nah, I'd still say for $10 less with modular cables the 450w is the way to go, especially given the cable management in both our cases.

 

[lakimens]

Why not get the 1500X for $20, it has 4 more threads and a higher clock.
Also included B350 motheboard with 4 RAM Slots.
Changed power supply to S12II 620W, because it's a clean price.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($47.78 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $633.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-09 01:00 EDT-0400

EDIT: Cut down the price, I didn't see you mentioned a budget.

 

[Hellfire13]

Thats way over $600 budget.

 

[lakimens]

Edited, cut it down a bit.

 

[Chugalug_]

Still quite a significant bit over. 🙁

 

[Hellfire13]

Nah, I'd still say for $10 less with modular cables the 450w is the way to go, especially given the cable management in both our cases.

Both Seasonic and Corsair are fine units. Either should be good.

 

[VIVO-US]

More robust build...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $615.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-08 23:15 EDT-0400

Sorry, I'm really new to building. What exactly makes this build more robust? Also, is robust the same performance for lower cost?

The RX 580 overall has about the same performance as a GTX 1060. It's a little slower in some games, but has an edge in others.

The 550W power supply will give you more overhead power than the 450W model, allowing easier upgrades in the future and possibly working more efficiently when your system is under load.

It will cost more, but you may want to use a Solid State Drive instead of the 1TB hard drive, because it will make your whole system quite a bit faster. If you need more room, the 1TB drive can be added at any time as a secondary.

The Corsair case is a good deal with that $10 rebate. We of course like when our cases are chosen in the end, but which one you would like best is totally your choice. Either their case or our CASE-V01 from your original list are perfectly suitable for your build.

 

[Chugalug_]

An SSD is extremely poor value at the given price point, put it out of your mind @OP, that money is better spent towards performance.
Also I get you're an official rep for a company, but Vivo cases aren't great quality, use mostly plastic with a standard steel frame, and at $34.99 there are much better options for less, and slightly more respectively.

 

[VIVO-US]

An SSD is extremely poor value at the given price point, put it out of your mind @OP, that money is better spent towards performance.
Also I get you're an official rep for a company, but Vivo cases aren't great quality, use mostly plastic with a standard steel frame, and at $34.99 there are much better options for less, and slightly more respectively.

Well, we do the best we can with that model, and it was one of our first attempts at a PC case. The reason it's not the cheapest in its class is because even though it's manufactured in China, we're based in Illinois. As long as people want it though, we'll continue making it. We do make other cases that are much better, and regarding the material, we only use plastic for the front (and sometimes top) panels, and the rest is steel. But since you've put the idea in our heads, maybe we should try doing an all-plastic case. 😀

Having built and worked on many computers in the company and at home, I can't say I'm in full agreement over going HDD over SSD. There won't be a difference in performance once games and programs are loaded, so either option will of course work fine, but overall load and install times are cut down significantly with an SSD. If that's not a problem though, a standard HDD is a better value by far.

 

[Chugalug_]

Yeah, it's just that by including an SSD, that would mean cutting GPU performance dramatically from an RX 580 to a 1050 provided a decent sized SSD was bought (240GB).
The general design for your cases seem to be quite good theoretically, but the problems with the V-01 case are the solid drive bay caging, the 80mm rear fan (should be a 120/140mm mount with a 120 included optimally as 80mm fans get very noisy), the lack of side window which is a big seller for many, especially on a budget and given that side fans aren't generally very practical, and the cable management space which seems a bit small.
Just my constructive criticism, sorry if I sound a bit off though!
Keep up the effort, the front design looks quite nice, and appears very well built in that regard for a budget case. I've just got an iffy thing for large amounts of plastic! 😛

Edit: Didn't mean steel as a bad thing, since you need an affordable solid frame, just that nearly all other competitors, especially those more well known such as Thermaltake have very similar designs with the same issue in regards to internal space, which puts quite a few people off.

If modular drive bays were a possibility to put in for a few bucks more, the rear situation was cleaned up a little and the cable management was given a bit more depth i'd definitely buy it, of course i'm no expert in manufacturing or costs associated with anything, I might well be rambling here, but happy to give my two cents if it helps.
I've only worked with one Vivo case though, I think it was the V00 last year, and one of the fans died days after building, the front panel ended up marred with finger prints after assembly for the client (they brought the case to me) and the reset button got jammed, maybe I just got unlucky. 🙁

 

[VIVO-US]

Yeah, it's just that by including an SSD, that would mean cutting GPU performance dramatically from an RX 580 to a 1050 provided a decent sized SSD was bought (240GB).
The general design for your cases seem to be quite good theoretically, but the problems with the V-01 case are the solid drive bay caging, the 80mm rear fan (should be a 120/140mm mount with a 120 included optimally as 80mm fans get very noisy), the lack of side window which is a big seller for many, especially on a budget and given that side fans aren't generally very practical, and the cable management space which seems a bit small.
Just my constructive criticism, sorry if I sound a bit off though!
Keep up the effort, the front design looks quite nice, and appears very well built for a budget case.

You do make some good points, and the issues you've mentioned with the case are all things we've been working to improve with each new model! Constructive criticism is always welcome since it helps us to improve.

 

[Chugalug_]

I've edited the comment and made some additional comments which might help, good start to the industry though, all the best for the future! The feet and PSU basement exhaust vents I assume were added with later cases also looks to be a great addition.

 

[VIVO-US]

I've edited the comment and made some additional comments which might help, good start to the industry though, all the best for the future! The feet and PSU basement exhaust vents I assume were added with later cases also looks to be a great addition.

Thanks for the additional comments and suggestions! If that case is still within warranty (1 year), we can replace any defective parts free of charge. You'll simply need to contact our customer service department with your order number, and they'll take care of everything as quickly as possible.

 

[Chugalug_]

Thanks, i'll let the client know, they can sort out shipping on their end.
Good to know you guys have a proper committed service team with the consumer in mind, and that you're not half arsing it like 90% of the other cheap companies out there. I'll keep my eye on your products and see if I can get some in stock in my store if I see anything promising, looking forward to it!

 

[VIVO-US]

Thanks, i'll let the client know, they can sort out shipping on their end.
Good to know you guys have a proper committed service team with the consumer in mind, and that you're not half arsing it like 90% of the other cheap companies out there. I'll keep my eye on your products and see if I can get some in stock in my store if I see anything promising, looking forward to it!

You're welcome!

 

[Sue Goy]

So, between Chugalug_ and Hellfire13, which build would be more open to upgrades in the future? I'm guessing a bigger case is better so I can expand?

 

[Chugalug_]

They're pretty much identical, the only thing is i've included a much better mobo which imo makes the difference.
If you want to upgrade to an ATX motherboard in the future with your next CPU upgrade in say 4 years time or so, get this case or the SPEC-01 Hellfire listed with my specs instead.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y7YWGX/fractal-design-case-fdcacore2300bl