Question First new gaming build in a longg time - need help with parts

[joebuzz83]

Hi,

Thank you for reading this and potentially helping me find parts that work. I have a need to upgrade my computer because it's using a ton of old components with some newer ones mixed in. I need to be able to upgrade and use 6 monitors to use for work and play games without a problem.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: ASAP

Budget Range: (e.g.: 300-400) Before / After Rebates; Before / After Shipping: $2,500 +/-

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Work, programming, gaming, ADHD fueled 6 screen use

Are you buying a monitor: No


Parts to Upgrade: (e.g.: CPU, mobo, RAM) Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using:
Parts that need upgrading:

1. Video Card: must be able to ray trace at max settings plus be able to handle 1x 1440p monitor and 5 1080p monitors with Display Port
2. Motherboard
3. CPU
4. SSD
5. Do I need a new case if my current case fits a 2070 super?
6. Anything else I missed?

Reusing unless i need to upgrade:

1. Power Supply: Rosewill BRONZE Series, RBR1000-MS, 1000W Semi-Modular Power Supply
2. 32 GB DDR4 Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200)
3. Keyboard
4. Mouse
5. Monitors
6. Case that fits a GTX 2070 super

Do you need to buy OS: No
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) Amazon.com for everything please!

Location: City, State/Region, Country - we need to know where these parts are being assembled and whether there are good store-only deals available: Staten Island, NY, USA

Parts Preferences: by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to upgrade to Intel CPU) Intel/Nvidia

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1 x 1440p monitor and 5 x 1080p monitors with Display Port

Additional Comments: (e.g.: Need to have a window and lots of bling, I would like a quiet PC. Please also list specific software or games you're using)

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: (e.g. I'm having trouble running game X or my PSU broke) I need to be able to use 6 monitors without lag or stuttering while also performing many tasks related to programming or using IDE's. Additionally I'm a gamer and the card needs to be able to play games using RTX at max, so maybe higher end 3080 series graphics card?

 

[Why_Me]

You aren't going to want to hear this but I'd wait on the gpu until next month when this card down below gets released. It's going to be a pure beast at 1440P.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112603
LIAN LI Lancool III Computer Case $149.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R5PH1VY
Corsair RMX Series (2021) RM1000x 1000W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $164.99

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284
Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 PSU Power Cable $19.99

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z690-AORUS-AX-Motherboard/dp/B083NPKL1C/

GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR5 $199.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NPJDPVG
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.99

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Generation-Anti-Bending-Correction-Installation/dp/B0B5Q5ZWNQ/
Thermalright Intel 12 Gen LGA1700 Anti-Bending Frame $12.90

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MTS5YH1
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 4800 32GB (2x16GB) CL40 $139.99

O/S SSD

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._m280cs2130_500_rb_500gb_cs2130_nvme_m_2.html
PNY CS2130 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 SSD $37.99

Storage SSD

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1614794-REG/pny_technologies_m280cs2130_2tb_rb_2tb_cs2130_nvme_m_2.html
PNY CS2130 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 SSD $139.99

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4080/
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 16GB Graphics Card $1199.00

Total: $2442.81

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-dvd903211-Windows-11-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ
Microsoft Windows 11 Home (USB) $139.00

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-iii/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-1x#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

 

[Lafong]

Some of the new 13th generation Intel processors will be released tomorrow.

13600k, 13700k, 13900k. Probably around 320 dollars on up?

I'd think you could afford at least one of them at your budget. Might get a 5 to 10 percent boost over 12th generation.

Your existing RAM may or may not be compatible with your new motherboard.

I don't see a CPU cooler mentioned on your lists.

Very little advantage to you to get involved with SLI or overclocking.

You need to research the particular features you need on a motherboard via spec sheets at motherboard maker.

You have to decide between single SSD for all files or multiple SSDs (one for Windows/applications; the other for data). Either can work. You need to estimate total capacity requirements.

 

[geofelt]

With your budget, I think you are going to want the newly announced I5-13600K and a DDR4 Z790 based motherboard.
If you pick the DDR4 option, you can reuse your ram.
There is negligible difference in actual performance with DDR4 vs. DDR5 ram.
There will be plenty budget available for a gpu upgrade.
I don't know that any gaming cards are going to support 6 monitors.
But,
Motherboard integrated graphics and a good graphics card can handle your monitors.
With integrated graphics, I would opt for the faster DDR4 ram.
And consider 32gb if you will be heavily multitasking.

What is your current case?
If you like it, you can almost certainly keep it.
Just check the fit of whatever new graphics card you buy.

On the ssd, you will likely be buying a m.2 pcie device of some size.
Do not chase performance unless you have no budget limitations.
I t turns out that any type of ssd will work out well if you find that convenient.
PCIE m.2 ssd devices are impressive in synthetic benchmarks, but most work will be random.
In a blind test, these experts could not tell the difference:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA

 

[Why_Me]

With your budget, I think you are going to want the newly announced I5-13600K and a DDR4 Z790 based motherboard.
If you pick the DDR4 option, you can reuse your ram.
There is negligible difference in actual performance with DDR4 vs. DDR5 ram.
There will be plenty budget available for a gpu upgrade.
I don't know that any gaming cards are going to support 6 monitors.
But,
Motherboard integrated graphics and a good graphics card can handle your monitors.
With integrated graphics, I would opt for the faster DDR4 ram.
And consider 32gb if you will be heavily multitasking.

What is your current case?
If you like it, you can almost certainly keep it.
Just check the fit of whatever new graphics card you buy.

On the ssd, you will likely be buying a m.2 pcie device of some size.
Do not chase performance unless you have no budget limitations.
I t turns out that any type of ssd will work out well if you find that convenient.
PCIE m.2 ssd devices are impressive in synthetic benchmarks, but most work will be random.
In a blind test, these experts could not tell the difference:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA

The OP has DDR4 2400 which is going to be a bottleneck imo.

 

[joebuzz83]

This is a lot for me to process, so let me take a look at the one spec I received and consider the new cards coming out. The thing is that my job is buying me the parts and I don't think waiting on components to come out will be a great idea because last time new RTX 3xxx series came out there was a shortage lasting years. I dont want to deal with scalping and my job is willing to get everything i need today.

 

[geofelt]

Today, the I5-13600K is available:
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416?quicklink=true
As is the 13700K.
700 series motherboards are new and may have delays in shipment.
So far as I can tell, the chief benefit of the Z790 motherboards is more i/o capability.
Not much worth it for a gamer.
I might suggest a popular MSI Z690 A wifi DDR4:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144488?Item=9SIB88TJ9H1815
Support for next gen was released on July 4 so all but old stock will include gen 13 support.

On ram, you now have 32gb of DDR4 2400 speed ram.
I would try it first and see how you do. Intel is not much impacted by ram speed.
You always have the option to upgrade to 3600 or 4000 speed later.

On ray tracing, I am no expert.
Look for reviews on that subject.
GPU prices seem to be falling.
It might be best to use your current gpu or even 13600K integrated graphics initially.

You will need a cooler.
While I am a fan of noctua quality, I think this new thermalright asassin cooler is an outstanding buy:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se

 

[joebuzz83]

Some of the new 13th generation Intel processors will be released tomorrow.

13600k, 13700k, 13900k. Probably around 320 dollars on up?

I'd think you could afford at least one of them at your budget. Might get a 5 to 10 percent boost over 12th generation.

Your existing RAM may or may not be compatible with your new motherboard.

I don't see a CPU cooler mentioned on your lists.

Very little advantage to you to get involved with SLI or overclocking.

You need to research the particular features you need on a motherboard via spec sheets at motherboard maker.

You have to decide between single SSD for all files or multiple SSDs (one for Windows/applications; the other for data). Either can work. You need to estimate total capacity requirements.

Hi,

If I buy a motherboard that can run a 13th generation intel processor, do i need a 12th gen processor to perform the bios update to enable 13th gen compatibility? How would it work if I didn't have a 12th gen cpu? I'm still forming thoughts on my build and since the 13th gen just came out I want to buy that processor, just dont want to deal with the headache of needing a 12th gen processor also.

 

[joebuzz83]

Today, the I5-13600K is available:
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416?quicklink=true
As is the 13700K.
700 series motherboards are new and may have delays in shipment.
So far as I can tell, the chief benefit of the Z790 motherboards is more i/o capability.
Not much worth it for a gamer.
I might suggest a popular MSI Z690 A wifi DDR4:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144488?Item=9SIB88TJ9H1815
Support for next gen was released on July 4 so all but old stock will include gen 13 support.

On ram, you now have 32gb of DDR4 2400 speed ram.
I would try it first and see how you do. Intel is not much impacted by ram speed.
You always have the option to upgrade to 3600 or 4000 speed later.

On ray tracing, I am no expert.
Look for reviews on that subject.
GPU prices seem to be falling.
It might be best to use your current gpu or even 13600K integrated graphics initially.

You will need a cooler.
While I am a fan of noctua quality, I think this new thermalright asassin cooler is an outstanding buy:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se

I want to ask you if that motherboard will need the scenerio i mentioned above or if its easier than needing to have a 12th gen processor to upgrade bios for 13th gen processor suport.

 

[geofelt]

The OP has DDR4 2400 which is going to be a bottleneck imo.

Unless there is a flaw in this study, it would seem that ram speed is largely irrelevant.

Don't waste money chasing RAM speed for gaming on AMD or Intel

Revisiting the question that every gamer considers when building a new gaming system: does RAM speed matter?

www.pcgamer.com

If the OP's 2400 speed ram is large enough, I would be inclined to try it first.
It can easily be changed out later.

 

[logainofhades]

That board has bios flashback capability, so you would not need a 12th gen chip to upgrade the bios. I also would suggest moving up to a DDR5 setup. Even budget kits would be better than that DDR4 2400 you have now.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

 

[Lafong]

Hi,

If I buy a motherboard that can run a 13th generation intel processor, do i need a 12th gen processor to perform the bios update to enable 13th gen compatibility? How would it work if I didn't have a 12th gen cpu? I'm still forming thoughts on my build and since the 13th gen just came out I want to buy that processor, just dont want to deal with the headache of needing a 12th gen processor also.

Some 12th gen motherboards can do a BIOS update to accept a 13th gen CPU, without a CPU.

Others cannot.

You need to confirm for your SPECIFIC 12th gen motherboard choice.

Some (maybe all?) Z690 boards don't need a CPU but some (maybe all?) B660 boards DO need a CPU to update the BIOS. I searched about this yesterday, but did not find a clearcut answer.

Or just buy a 13th gen board for your 13th gen CPU. Problem is, there aren't a whole lot of 13th gen boards out yet. I don't think 13th gen B series boards will be out until next year....maybe January.

 

[logainofhades]

Unless there is a flaw in this study, it would seem that ram speed is largely irrelevant.

Don't waste money chasing RAM speed for gaming on AMD or Intel

Revisiting the question that every gamer considers when building a new gaming system: does RAM speed matter?

www.pcgamer.com

If the OP's 2400 speed ram is large enough, I would be inclined to try it first.
It can easily be changed out later.

Ram speed used to not matter, on Intel, but that has changed since at least 10th gen. GN's 10400 review ran it at spec of 2666, as you would be forced to run in a B460 board, and with 3200mhz ram, on their test bench Z490 board. When forced to run 2666, the 10400 lost to an RX 3000, on a cheap B450 board and 3200mhz ram. When running 3200 the 10400 was the clear winner. Not even expensive, and highly tuned 2666 could make up the difference.

 

[joebuzz83]

Some 12th gen motherboards can do a BIOS update to accept a 13th gen CPU, without a CPU.

Others cannot.

You need to confirm for your SPECIFIC 12th gen motherboard choice.

Some (maybe all?) Z690 boards don't need a CPU but some (maybe all?) B660 boards DO need a CPU to update the BIOS. I searched about this yesterday, but did not find a clearcut answer.

Or just buy a 13th gen board for your 13th gen CPU. Problem is, there aren't a whole lot of 13th gen boards out yet. I don't think 13th gen B series boards will be out until next year....maybe January.

My job is going to buy me a PC in the next 2 weeks so i need to decide on current tech. I'm just worried that the mobo will be a problem for me mostly.

 

[Lafong]

My job is going to buy me a PC in the next 2 weeks so i need to decide on current tech. I'm just worried that the mobo will be a problem for me mostly.

The path of least possibility of BIOS or other problems would be to keep it all in the same generation.

12th gen CPU, B660 or Z690 motherboard.

13th gen CPU, Z790 motherboard.

The 13th gen stuff might give you a 10 percent boost in performance....but you may never notice it, depending on what you do with the PC.

Cracking the atom? Yes.

Writing letters to grandma? No.

You're probably in-between.

You have to weigh the conceivable performance difference in what you actually do with the PC against the cost (if that matters) and any possible hassles connected to mixing generations.

You could have a fabulous or horrible experience regardless due to stuff totally out of your control. Understand that and try not to look back (impossible?).

 

[joebuzz83]

The path of least possibility of BIOS or other problems would be to keep it all in the same generation.

12th gen CPU, B660 or Z690 motherboard.

13th gen CPU, Z790 motherboard.

The 13th gen stuff might give you a 10 percent boost in performance....but you may never notice it, depending on what you do with the PC.

Cracking the atom? Yes.

Writing letters to grandma? No.

You're probably in-between.

You have to weigh the conceivable performance difference in what you actually do with the PC against the cost (if that matters) and any possible hassles connected to mixing generations.

You could have a fabulous or horrible experience regardless due to stuff totally out of your control. Understand that and try not to look back (impossible?).

I'm a programmer, video editor and graphic artist all wrapped in one. Dabble in 3D rendering, just confused because i haven't care about upgrading my PC in a long time and missed out on a lot of the advanced over the last 6-7 years. I think it makes sense to get 13th gen, but just a bit nervous since I'm not usually an early adopter.

I guess since its not my cash that it's worth trying for future proofed computer using 13th gen/ddr5 and a compatible mobo. Maybe I should restart my request for PC parts help?

 

[joebuzz83]

You aren't going to want to hear this but I'd wait on the gpu until next month when this card down below gets released. It's going to be a pure beast at 1440P.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112603
LIAN LI Lancool III Computer Case $149.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R5PH1VY
Corsair RMX Series (2021) RM1000x 1000W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $164.99

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284
Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 PSU Power Cable $19.99

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z690-AORUS-AX-Motherboard/dp/B083NPKL1C/

GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR5 $199.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NPJDPVG
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.99

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Generation-Anti-Bending-Correction-Installation/dp/B0B5Q5ZWNQ/
Thermalright Intel 12 Gen LGA1700 Anti-Bending Frame $12.90

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MTS5YH1
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 4800 32GB (2x16GB) CL40 $139.99

O/S SSD

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._m280cs2130_500_rb_500gb_cs2130_nvme_m_2.html
PNY CS2130 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 SSD $37.99

Storage SSD

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1614794-REG/pny_technologies_m280cs2130_2tb_rb_2tb_cs2130_nvme_m_2.html
PNY CS2130 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 SSD $139.99

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4080/
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 16GB Graphics Card $1199.00

Total: $2442.81

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-dvd903211-Windows-11-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ
Microsoft Windows 11 Home (USB) $139.00

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-iii/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-1x#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

I wanted to thank you for putting the effort in to make me a list of parts. I didn't realize my timing would allow me to buy the next generation of intel hardware, so I think I want to focus on that. Most of the components would still be useful on this list and it's very helpful. Some one in the thread suggested a motherboard to buy, so i'll look into that. Another suggested Ram, so I'll look into that as well. The only thing I need to miss out on is the RTX 4xxx gpu's since I need to upgrade in the next 2 weeks.

 

[Lafong]

I think it makes sense to get 13th gen, but just a bit nervous since I'm not usually an early adopter.

I guess since its not my cash that it's worth trying for future proofed computer using 13th gen/ddr5 and a compatible mobo.

I tend to agree with 13th gen and DDR 5 considering not your money and possibly extending useful life of PC.

How old is your existing power supply? 1000 watts is plenty, but not sure of quality or age.

I'd lean toward good air cooler; probably 13600K CPU;

Motherboard: probably a Z790; can't point you to which. Not many reviews out there.

Re-use drives.

Case?

16 GB of RAM; 32 if the boss doesn't complain. In a 2-stick kit.

 

[joebuzz83]

I tend to agree with 13th gen and DDR 5 considering not your money and possibly extending useful life of PC.

How old is your existing power supply? 1000 watts is plenty, but not sure of quality or age.

I'd lean toward good air cooler; probably 13600K CPU;

Motherboard: probably a Z790; can't point you to which. Not many reviews out there.

Re-use drives.

Case?

16 GB of RAM; 32 if the boss doesn't complain. In a 2-stick kit.

Right, I usually wait until other people test the products, but this might be the rare instance that being early to the party makes sense. My goal will be to find a mobo from a major company that usually has good rep for hardware and see how it goes.

This is my current PSU: https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-bro...-1000w/p/N82E16817182188?Item=N82E16817182188

 

[Lafong]

Newegg reviews of that power supply go back as far as 2009.

How long have you used it? How many thousands of hours estimated?

If more than 4 or 5 years old and boss doesn't have a screaming fit, maybe get a new one circa 750 or 850 watts? Of course it could last another 50,000 hours and a new one could be dead on arrival.

 

[logainofhades]

My job is going to buy me a PC in the next 2 weeks so i need to decide on current tech. I'm just worried that the mobo will be a problem for me mostly.

This the cheapest Z790 board, on the market, right now. I have 0 clue if it is any good. Nobody has really done any testing on them yet.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MD...ing-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-pg-lightning

 

[joebuzz83]

Newegg reviews of that power supply go back as far as 2009.

How long have you used it? How many thousands of hours estimated?

If more than 4 or 5 years old and boss doesn't have a screaming fit, maybe get a new one circa 750 or 850 watts? Of course it could last another 50,000 hours and a new one could be dead on arrival.

I did the math and since i got it 8/11/2019, It's been used 28,176 hours or so. I idle my pc 24/7 most of the time with rare occasions when i shut it down. I usually spend between 8 and 16 hours on the computer daily for work+casual, but it idles most of the rest of the time. So at the low range of how long I've made this card work hard, I'd say 9,500 hours works out and at the high end 18,500 hours.

 

[logainofhades]

I would definitely get a new, and higher quality, PSU.

 

[joebuzz83]

I used all of the information I received from all of you to make my own decisions on parts based on where my company is allowed to shop and timing of when i would receive parts. My company bought these components for me:

1. 1 x ASUS ROG Strix XG27AQ 27” HDR Gaming Monitor, 1440P WQHD (2560 x 1440) $377.01
2. 1 x ASUS TUF Z790-Plus WiFi D4 LGA 1700(Intel®12th&13th Gen) ATX Motherboard $289.99
3. 1 x Intel Core i7-13700K Desktop Processor 16 cores (8 P-cores + 8 E-cores) 30M Cache, up to 5.4 GHz $449.99
4. 1 x Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black, 120mm Single-Tower CPU Cooler (Black) $79.95
5. 1 x EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Gaming, 12G-P5-3955-KR, 12GB GDDR6X, iCX3 Cooling, ARGB LED, Metal Backplate $1,349.99
6. 1 x Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 1TB NVMe M.2 Internal Solid State Hard Drive $105.99
7. 1 x G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR4 4000 $149.99
8. 1 x TONOR Conference USB Microphone, Omnidirectional Condenser PC Mic $23.77
9. 1 x HUO JI E-Yooso Z-88 RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard $39.99

Total: $2,866.67

Let me know if I made any mistakes here, but I think it's good to go. I have the rest of the parts, including my current lian Li case, 1000w PSU, 6 hard drives, and 5 monitors. Planning to use the advice on this forum to plug 2 monitors into onboard or split 2 DP's.

 

[joebuzz83]

I would definitely get a new, and higher quality, PSU.

I'll just buy this one myself. I think that's fair after everything my company paid for. Which brands and specs would you suggest? I dont know much about psu except that 1000w is usually overkill.