Question First New PC in almost 10 years - Please Review

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Building my first new PC in almost 10 years...it's time. These are some of my broad requirements:
  • Reliable. Nothing finicky.
  • Games - All types
  • Basic office productivity programs
  • Semi-quiet
  • 1440p or 1600p - Probably getting the Alienware 38inch 3840x1600 and will have standard 27 inch on the side/top
Here are my two potential builds. One higher level and one closer to mid:

High: roughly $2,130

CPUi7-127000k
MotherboardMSI Pro Z690-A DDR4
MemoryCorsair Vengeneance 32GB DDR4 3600
Video CardsMSI 3080 12GB
CaseFractal Design Define 7 White
PowerThermal 850w 80 plus gold
StorageSamsung 980 Pro 2TB
CPU CoolerNoctua NH-D15 Black

Mid: roughly 1,712
CPUI5-124000
MotherboardGigabyte Z690 UD AX
MemoryCorsair Vengeneance 16GB DDR4 3600
Video CardsMSI 3080 12GB
CaseFractal Design Define 7 White
PowerThermal 850w 80 plus gold
StorageCrucial P5 2TB

Do I need the high end one or is the mid range plenty good enough? Any other thoughts are welcome. Thanks!
 
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Already had 3600 in his lists, don't see much of a reason to go for less. Alderlake and DDR4 you can push that to 4000 or even 4400, though that is rather expensive. Also DDR5 to consider starting at 4800 and working up to 6400 (though that is REALLY expensive)

You do not need a Z class board with a 12400, a B660 board would be enough.

850W is good. As long as that is a Thermaltake Toughpower PSU, it is adequate. If it isn't stick to things like EVGA G2 or G6 series, Corsair RMx and TX, SuperFlower Leadex and other high quality power supplies.

You did not list CPU cooling. 12700K will not come with a cooler at all. You would want a very high end air cooler, Noctua D15, be quiet! Dark Rock or Dark Rock Pro, or at least a 240mm water cooler, preferably 280mm or 360mm.
 

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Already had 3600 in his lists, don't see much of a reason to go for less. Alderlake and DDR4 you can push that to 4000 or even 4400, though that is rather expensive. Also DDR5 to consider starting at 4800 and working up to 6400 (though that is REALLY expensive)

You do not need a Z class board with a 12400, a B660 board would be enough.

850W is good. As long as that is a Thermaltake Toughpower PSU, it is adequate. If it isn't stick to things like EVGA G2 or G6 series, Corsair RMx and TX, SuperFlower Leadex and other high quality power supplies.

You did not list CPU cooling. 12700K will not come with a cooler at all. You would want a very high end air cooler, Noctua D15, be quiet! Dark Rock or Dark Rock Pro, or at least a 240mm water cooler, preferably 280mm or 360mm.
So, 3200 is the minimum/sweet spot, but higher is ok? This is what I'm getting from both comments.

The B class board is a good idea, if I go the mid-range build.

It is Thermaltake, but was looking at Corsair RMx too.

I didn't list CPU cooling for the i5-12400 build, as I thought I read it came with a stock cooler. That should be sufficient since it can't be OC'd. But, I had selected the Noctua D15 for the i7 build. I agree with you on it. Seems to get a lot of good ratings by everyone.

I appreciate the comments.
 

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So, 3200 is the minimum/sweet spot, but higher is ok? This is what I'm getting from both comments.

I didn't list CPU cooling for the i5-12400 build, as I thought I read it came with a stock cooler.
Correct, 3600 CL16 is about as good as it gets and there should be no problem setting the XMP profile and nothing else. Faster speeds might require tweaking.

The Intel stock cooler, is barely adequate, as usual. Any 120mm tower cooler is more then enough (plus you then have the Intel stock cooler as a spare)
 

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It really just comes down to best Intel XMP performance, that’s why I said 3200
I'm not sure there is a best exactly. 3200 CL14 is pretty good stuff, but also expensive. 3200 CL16 is the most common, but 3600 CL16 gives you a little more bandwidth and the same latency. Often only $10-20 more.

G.Skill Ripjaws (They must be trying hard, they seem to have the lowest price in most categories from the better known brands)

$110 3200 CL16
$125 4000 CL18 - Not bad actually, might be worth a shot. Worst case you can run it at 3600 with tightened timings
$140 4400 CL19
$143 3600 CL16
$239 3200 CL14
$229 3600 CL14
$229 4000 CL17
 
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I'm not sure there is a best exactly. 3200 CL14 is pretty good stuff, but also expensive. 3200 CL16 is the most common, but 3600 CL16 gives you a little more bandwidth and the same latency. Often only $10-20 more.

G.Skill Ripjaws (They must be trying hard, they seem to have the lowest price in most categories from the better known brands)

$110 3200 CL16
$125 4000 CL18 - Not bad actually, might be worth a shot. Worst case you can run it at 3600 with tightened timings
$140 4400 CL19
$143 3600 CL16
$229 3600 CL14
$229 4000 CL17
True wish ram wasn’t so expensive
 

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As an aside, you can also overclock a lot of 3200 MT/s memory up to 3600, often with out messing with the timings. I did that with my Crucial Ballistix 3200 CL16 kit, happily runs at 3600 with no other changes. Just have to do it manually rather than set an XMP profile.
 

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You're probably right on the cooler. Especially, when they aren't super expensive. My budget is very flexible. I just don't like overspending on anything when it's not necessary, which is why I'm here to get feedback.

I will definitely keep the RAM advice in mind.
 

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Yes, the US.
Case comes with a built-in fan speed controller.

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-performance-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00086
LIAN LI LANCOOL II MESH C PERFORMANCE $119.99

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-850f14hg-850w/p/1HU-024C-00005
Super Flower Leadex III 850W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply $109.99 + $5 off w/ promo code FDYBTA4357

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144528
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 $139.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $314.99 + $5 off w/ promo code FDYBTA447

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236596
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 $119.99 + $5 off w/ promo code FDYBTA4259

PNY CS2130 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $179.99

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gv-n308tgaming-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932436
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Ti OC 12GB Graphics Card $1,099.99 + $50 off w/ promo code VGARWA42

Total: $2084.92 w/ promo codes

A better look at those components.


https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK620-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gaming-oc-review,1.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

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I will definitely look into some of those cheaper options like the cooler and SSD. Though, I will probably keep the 3080 12GB, as the $250 difference seems like a lot for not a ton of FPS gain. I appreciate all the work.
 

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