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So, I'm 16 years old and have begun my first job, finally opening up the possibility of building a good computer. I love to game, and I already have a ps4 which i enjoy very much especially for having people over but I really want a PC for the mmorpg and rpg experience that consoles just cant deliver. Also would love to have a machine to video edit my clips off the ps4, store alot of movies and music, and just act as a place to store all my media. Very tech savvy person just want recommendations on the best parts for my first build. Keep in mind i need everything including Keyboard, Mouse, OS, Monitor.

Approximate Purchase Date: this month

Budget Range: 1500$ Max would be best

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Storing media, Editing

Are you buying a monitor: Yes (Include in the 1500)

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I do not care

Location: California

Parts Preferences: Best bang for the buck. I know AMD is the cheaper route but I want something that will give me a great experience.

Overclocking:Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Probably not

Your Monitor Resolution: just something 1080p, 4k isnt that important to me and seems redundant at the time being

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Dont have a PC right now, Laptop broke.

Try not to go over the budget and if you do, could you please explain why you think its worth it to do so
 
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the i5-4690K is the best CPU available for just gaming. you can't do any better, there are no gains even if you went with a 16 core CPU with DDR4 RAM, games just aren't optimized to utilize that kind of technology. the only reason a gamer WOULD consider something like that, is to be able to support more than 2 GPUs such as something ridiculous like TITAN X 4-way SLI, in which case you would need the higher CPU just to keep those GPUs fed with data to process. for single, and even double GPU configurations, the i5 is more than enough, and you'll likely not even be reaching it's limit for the next few GPU upgrades.

for a more gaming oriented build, and not an "editing/workstation" with gaming as a secondary function, something like this...
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($91.71 @ B&H)
Monitor: LG E2411PB-BN 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1497.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-11 18:55 EDT-0400

not sure what you're looking for in a display, but that one is very basic 24 inch 1080p with speakers (probably crappy ones).

this set up has a much better display and nice 5.1 speakers for good gaming experience as well as listening to music. i own a set of Z506 and was very surprised with the performance for the price. in order to do so, i cut the budget and gave you a smaller SSD for just OS and applications, and a smaller 1 TB hard drive as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Solid State Drive 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($91.71 @ B&H)
Monitor: Acer G257HL BMIDX 60Hz 25.0" Monitor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($65.65 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1515.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-11 19:00 EDT-0400
 
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Really appreciate the quick response. My main question would be why you chose such an expensive CPU. In my experience when buying a computer that you want to be able to Max out all games on, the GPU will be a fair amount more expensive than the CPU but they are pretty comparable in price in those builds.

Thank you again
 
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intel is by far the best and will last you the longest! go with a 4790k and you can over clock too, nvida 970 is best bang for buck(980 is to expensive 960 is far to slow for the money). AMD is currentlly setting there ATI card for way cheap but that is because the best they have overheats and only does half of what a 970 would do stock.
get your self a gaming motherboard from MSI socket 1150 to go with the($199,00) CPU4790k($339), MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G($329)(curently on sale@ newegg)(will match your MOBO!!) 2x8gb g-skill for 99$ == 967 @ newegg and well worth it!!! grab a monitor at least 1080p at amazon really your choice but Samsung UN22F5000 22-Inch 1080p 60Hz LED HDTV (2013 Model) 189$== $1156 if you look on amazon for windwos 8.1 on the bottom you can get a bundle with HDD blue caviar and a ASUS DVD burner for $171===$1327 a Noctua NH-D9L 92mm for ($54)1381 and case with powersupply eg "http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2355453" <- link... at-least like 650watts is fine for INTEL system with overclock. $107

=== TOTAL $1488, may have to pay for shipping or just buy another case fan mouse keyboard( idk ) . but you are under budget and have a KILLER PC w Samsung monitor 1080p and a case with window to show it all off

if you can find everything on one site you may save on shipping but i think shipping will be free if you order from Amazon TV + bundle and new egg has alot of offers too free shipping and cash back / mail in rebate.

** when you get an extra fee $ i would invest in an SSD but the one terrabyte is fast and big enough for now. you can ALWAYS and more HDD/SSD's
 
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i suggested the i7-4790K because it has a very high stock clock speed (though it is unlocked so you can overclock it even higher), but more importantly, it has hyperthreading. this will be most useful when video editing and other multitasking. if you were building a PC for only gaming, i would recommend the i5-4690K. so you aren't. also, the GTX 970 is very capable at 1080p maxing most games with consistent 60 FPS. this will likely not be the case in a year or two, but it will still perform well enough to make it a decent long term investment. if you wish to focus more on gaming, substitute the 4790K for a 4690K and the gtx 970 for a gtx 980.
 
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cpu is what transfers and runs everything. GPU ONLY does grafics. intel is expensive because they have no competition and are by far the fast thing you have ever seen but they suck at grafics. if you put the same expensive GPU in a AMD system then you would realize the the card is only like HALF as fast as if it were in a INTEL system (benchmarkS )..

If you have a car a porch and to the moter out and replaced the moter with a tdi 1.1 golf moter. then the Porsche would still run and look nice but set up next to a Porsche with a real Porsche moter in it, it would still loose. expensive car lousy ENGINE in this case the CPU would be the engine the graficard would have the ability to look nice but cant because the engine is so slow it would be a joke.
 
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you dont need a 980 unless you are gaming with a 4 k monitor and by then you will want to upgrade anyway. lol but your cpu will still prolly handle the next gen graka where as a I5 wont!. caution in addition a 980cost twice as much for about 30-40% more performance, very top of the line inst worth it unless you really do have money to blow but you don't, you are on a budget!
 
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that's not true. none of it. my gtx 970 struggles to keep demanding games at their max settings and 60 FPS, and my resolution is only 2560x1080... far from 4K. the 980 is not twice as much, you can get one for $500; the 980 ti is $650 that's still barely twice the price of the 970. AMD systems don't perform half as well as intel, just not as well.

the only reason i suggest going with the high end cpu and the mid range gpu is because OP specified that they will be doing a lot of other cpu intensive tasks, more than just gaming. if gaming is the main focus, yes the gpu budget should be about 150-200% more than the cpu
 
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you can buy the 970 for 320.... 320+320 = 640 its not twice the price but damn near close to it if he trades off his i7 for an i5 he will be dumping half is cores out the window and still be paying for a PREMIUM CPU. a 980 is simply put not worth the extra cash at the moment. in a year nvidea will come out with a new GPU games will need more power, he can sli up if must be for prolly like 200$ then but he cant buy a new processor or stick his other 4 core back in there cause he would literally have to buy a complete new system to match the new socket, ram(DDR4) and another PREMIUM CPU for 400$. When he could just go with the i7 the from the get-go, I5's and 4 core processors are already being written of as min requirement for some of the high end games (see the evil within eg).

** something else to mention, Intel processors do not loose thier value, the sandy bride i5 from years ago is still close to the same price it was when it came out, waiting for i new i7 to come along and hopeing the old ones will get cheaper is not going to happen but the grafics card will drop like rock once a new more powerful chip come along see AMD and their prices cause they cant keep up. 700$ R9s now cost 300 you can now cross fire some of those pretty cheaply***

think about it!
 
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Ok, first off just because the PRICE of a component remains the same, doesn't mean it's VALUE also does. And the reverse is also true. Cost and performance are by no means direct reflections of each other.

Now that we have that settled, next point I should clarify is that the i7 and the i5 both have 4 cores. The only physical difference between the two chips is the i7 has 8 MB of L3 cache and the i5 has 6 MB. The i7 does have the ability to hyper thread, by that doesn't mean it has more cores; it simply means that each core can efficiently handle two threads simultaneously instead of one. This has very little impact on gaming since it's only dividing the core within the same process and therefore might actually lose performance if the game is not well optimized to do so. Here is an example
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

The i7 is actually 150% of the price of the i5 and offers no advantage to gaming and in some cases is worse.

However, the value of the hyper threading becomes very apparent once you start to multitask or when video editing and transcoding come in to play. The ability to access multiple threads that ARE well optimized and can take advantage of the technology or just multiple single threads simultaneously is where the i7 will prove it's worth. Since the OP will be using multiple threads effectively AND will want high per core performance, and has the budget to allow, is the reason I recommend the i7. The xeon e3 1231v3 is another viable option but at a sacrifice of core speed for less money. Gaming relies more on clock speed than it does of available threads.

The gtx 980 comes at a higher price, but unlike the i7 to i5 comparison, the 980 has a direct performance increase over the 970 offering an extra 10+ FPS over the 970.
 
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A gaming laptop was a consideration for me but I really would benefit from the desktop just because of upgradability and more raw power.

 
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the i5-4690K is the best CPU available for just gaming. you can't do any better, there are no gains even if you went with a 16 core CPU with DDR4 RAM, games just aren't optimized to utilize that kind of technology. the only reason a gamer WOULD consider something like that, is to be able to support more than 2 GPUs such as something ridiculous like TITAN X 4-way SLI, in which case you would need the higher CPU just to keep those GPUs fed with data to process. for single, and even double GPU configurations, the i5 is more than enough, and you'll likely not even be reaching it's limit for the next few GPU upgrades.

for a more gaming oriented build, and not an "editing/workstation" with gaming as a secondary function, something like this would be ideal
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($111.64 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5&quot; 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($499.19 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Acer K272HULbmiidp 60Hz 27.0&quot; Monitor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Deepcool KENDOMEN ($39.99)
Total: $1493.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-12 18:45 EDT-0400
 
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