Build Advice First time build. Budget friendly Mini-ITX

[Michal95]

Hi everyone,

I am building my first PC and would very much appreciate your opinion on the components that I decided to purchase. I am aiming for a £ 1,000 - £ 1,200 build.

CPU: Intel i5-12400
GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 XC
RAM: 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance
Motherboard: ASRock B660M-ITX
Case: Cooler Master NR200
CPU cooling: Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B
Fans: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
NVME: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (for OS and else)
PSU: EVGA Supernova 650 GM, 80 Plus Gold 650W

Thank you for everyone's input.

Best,

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

You should be able to get access to the Coolermaster NR200 Max, comes with an 850W PSU as well as an AIO meant for the chassis;

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/max/mini-itx/nr200p-max/

Also, your build is fine though I'd add some more storage, have a smaller SSD for the OS and app's while the larger SSD is for the game library, assuming this is primarily for gaming and less for productivity.

Lastly, might want to share a link to the ram kit, so we know you're not loosing out on performance with the wrong kit.

 

[Karadjgne]

mITX and budget friendly? There's such a thing?

Yes, I agree on the NR-200P, on one condition, use of an nvidia reference gpu as shown in the web page. Using AIB partner cards can get problematic with air needs and subsequent temps when used vertically, the fans get stuck far to close to side panels and the small 60/62mm fans on gpus don't have enough static pressure potential to overcome the smaller air access.

The reference designs use a much larger fan, as well as an other side fan in pull, which alleviates much of that.

The built in psu and liquid cooling is a money saver overall, and alleviates clearance issues that mITX is well known for.

That ASRock mobo only has a single M.2 slot, might look into Asus or Gigabyte options as they have 2x M.2 slots, allowing for an OS drive and storage Sata/NVMe M.2 without having to figure out where to put a standard 2.5" Sata with its data/power wire needs.

That or upgrade to something like a Crucial P5 2Tb NVMe from the start. For almost All users there's zero difference between Gen3 drives and Gen4 drives except for 1 detail, that being the Gen4 absolute necessity for a heatsink and cooling requirement, Gen4 will overheat quickly if that isn't addressed, usually not an issue with ATX, but with clearances at a premium in mITX it can be an issue right quick like.

 

[Michal95]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

You should be able to get access to the Coolermaster NR20 Max, comes with an 850W PSU as well as an AIO meant for the chassis;

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/max/mini-itx/nr200p-max/

Also, your build is fine though I'd add some more storage, have a smaller SSD for the OS and app's while the larger SSD is for the game library, assuming this is primarily for gaming and less for productivity.

Lastly, might want to share a link to the ram kit, so we know you're not loosing out on performance with the wrong kit.

Hi @Lutfij ,

thanks for the feedback! Please find the link to the ram kit below as requested.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CM...d=1657418949&sprefix=corsair+v,aps,115&sr=8-4

Regarding the SSD: I was thinking if it makes sense to buy a separate SATA SSD for OS but decided against it due to lower speed of sata vs nvme. And the motherboard I chose only supports 1 nvme so was thinking I can just get a 2nd partition for OS of 200gb or so. Should I consider buying separate Sata ssd drive for OS anyway?
Thanks!

 

[Michal95]

mITX and budget friendly? There's such a thing?

Yes, I agree on the NR-200P, on one condition, use of an nvidia reference gpu as shown in the web page. Using AIB partner cards can get problematic with air needs and subsequent temps when used vertically, the fans get stuck far to close to side panels and the small 60/62mm fans on gpus don't have enough static pressure potential to overcome the smaller air access.

The reference designs use a much larger fan, as well as an other side fan in pull, which alleviates much of that.

The built in psu and liquid cooling is a money saver overall, and alleviates clearance issues that mITX is well known for.

That ASRock mobo only has a single M.2 slot, might look into Asus or Gigabyte options as they have 2x M.2 slots, allowing for an OS drive and storage Sata/NVMe M.2 without having to figure out where to put a standard 2.5" Sata with its data/power wire needs.

That or upgrade to something like a Crucial P5 2Tb NVMe from the start. For almost All users there's zero difference between Gen3 drives and Gen4 drives except for 1 detail, that being the Gen4 absolute necessity for a heatsink and cooling requirement, Gen4 will overheat quickly if that isn't addressed, usually not an issue with ATX, but with clearances at a premium in mITX it can be an issue right quick like.

Hi @Karadjgne ,

thanks for the feedback!
Regarding the case: I was thinking about buying a „non P” version so without a tempered glass panel option (saving some £ and bring in more air hopefully). GPU will not be mounted vertically.
As for GPU: Wow, the founders edition cards are actually a pretty good deal from the nvidia website. Does it make sense to either go with 3070 FE for £50 or 3070TI for £100 more?

I read about liquid cooling and for 12400 I understand that air cooling is more than enough, is it not?

for Ram: should I consider the kits with heatsink when buying gen 4? Is overheating really that of an issue?

Mobo: Motherboards of brands other than ASrock come at 2x the price. Is it worth it?

Thanks!

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£174.84 @ Newegg UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (£144.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£102.19 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£43.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB VENTUS 3X Video Card (£663.48 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P200A Performance Mini ITX Tower Case (£50.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 SFX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (£167.79 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1348.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-10 05:18 BST+0100

If you can go up the budget by a bit. Then this is a crazy performance improvement. And no quality drop. All high quality components.

AMD Ryzen R5 5600X is as good or even better than Intel Core i5-12400 for gaming.

RTX3070Ti is 50% performance improvement over RTX3060. Which is a very huge performance increase.

 

[Michal95]

Hi @King Dranzer ,
Thanks for suggestions. I understand most of your part picks with exceptions of storage and a case.

For storage, as people suggested above, wouldn’t it be close to essential to have at least 1TB drive? Considering OS takes ~100gb and some titles might take 100gb+ each, 500gb seems a bit low to me.

Regarding a case - I’m looking for a quiet, white case and white NR200 seemed perfect to me. Would all your parts still hold but with a switch to NR200?

Other than the parts above, it’s basically a question how much I can splash on a GPU and, I understand clear benefits of having a better GPU but it’s just a simple trade-off - money vs performance. Do you think that, assuming I will not upgrade my PC for maaany years to come, it makes sense to spend £200 more on GPU in order to have a more future-proof system overall?

Thanks everyone for your input, really appreciate all comments!

Edit: @King Dranzer Wouldn’t it make more financial sense to buy 3070TI Founders Edition for £100 less? Are there any substantial benefits for having a custom GPU here?

 

[King Dranzer]

Hi @King Dranzer ,
Thanks for suggestions. I understand most of your part picks with exceptions of storage and a case.

For storage, as people suggested above, wouldn’t it be close to essential to have at least 1TB drive? Considering OS takes ~100gb and some titles might take 100gb+ each, 500gb seems a bit low to me.

Regarding a case - I’m looking for a quiet, white case and white NR200 seemed perfect to me. Would all your parts still hold but with a switch to NR200?

Other than the parts above, it’s basically a question how much I can splash on a GPU and, I understand clear benefits of having a better GPU but it’s just a simple trade-off - money vs performance. Do you think that, assuming I will not upgrade my PC for maaany years to come, it makes sense to spend £200 more on GPU in order to have a more future-proof system overall?

Thanks everyone for your input, really appreciate all comments!

Edit: @King Dranzer Wouldn’t it make more financial sense to buy 3070TI Founders Edition for £100 less? Are there any substantial benefits for having a custom GPU here?

Yes you can do that. Get the Founder's edition.

Yes you can switch to NR200. But that Phanteks case is not bad.

Yes. Better performing GPU will get you consistent and least compromise on performance over time.

 

[Michal95]

@King Dranzer , apologies for the newbie question but with Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard you suggested, would I be able to use front panel USB that are available on CM NR200?

For the GPU I think I will go with RTX3070 FE. It's just £30 more than RTX 3060 from EVGA and, as I understand, offers visibly better performance. I opted not to go with 3070 TI FE as for £80 over 3070 non-TI there's not as much of an improvement as I would hope for.

 

[Bob.B]

Hi @King Dranzer ,
Thanks for suggestions. I understand most of your part picks with exceptions of storage and a case.

For storage, as people suggested above, wouldn’t it be close to essential to have at least 1TB drive? Considering OS takes ~100gb and some titles might take 100gb+ each, 500gb seems a bit low to me.

Regarding a case - I’m looking for a quiet, white case and white NR200 seemed perfect to me. Would all your parts still hold but with a switch to NR200?

Other than the parts above, it’s basically a question how much I can splash on a GPU and, I understand clear benefits of having a better GPU but it’s just a simple trade-off - money vs performance. Do you think that, assuming I will not upgrade my PC for maaany years to come, it makes sense to spend £200 more on GPU in order to have a more future-proof system overall?

Thanks everyone for your input, really appreciate all comments!

Edit: @King Dranzer Wouldn’t it make more financial sense to buy 3070TI Founders Edition for £100 less? Are there any substantial benefits for having a custom GPU here?

Disk.
Some folks will go with a small ssd for the OS and apps......250-500GB.
Then a large disk for storage....1TB or larger.

Other folks will just get a large disk and put everything on it.

Your call.

 

[King Dranzer]

@King Dranzer , apologies for the newbie question but with Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard you suggested, would I be able to use front panel USB that are available on CM NR200?

For the GPU I think I will go with RTX3070 FE. It's just £30 more than RTX 3060 from EVGA and, as I understand, offers visibly better performance. I opted not to go with 3070 TI FE as for £80 over 3070 non-TI there's not as much of an improvement as I would hope for.

Yes the USB on front of the case will go fine on that Motherboard. No issues there.

 

[Michal95]

Hey guys, thanks everyone for your suggestions and comments! I took everything into account and increased a budget a bit to accommodate some upgrades.

As for the setup that I'm thinking of at the moment, please find below and let me know your thoughts! I think there's quite a significant improvement compared to my initial list with just c. £100 higher budget.

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 FE
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600
CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI
Case: Cooler Master NR200 White
PSU: EVGA Supernova 650 GM, 80 Plus Gold 650W
Fans: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
NVME for games, data etc: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
NVME for OS: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB

Total price is now c. £1,300 which is on the higher end for my budget but I think the improvements are worth the extra.

Please let me know your thoughts if you can think of anything else I could change. Thanks!

 

[Math Geek]

i'm not a fan of the 250gb OS drive.

i just built a mini system myself with an extra 3600x i had. i went with a Be quiet cooler for it that is much cheaper than what you picked

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JcqPxr/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-2-cpu-cooler-bk030

cools the 3600x fine which is a higher wattage part than the 5600 you picked. (good call on it by the way).

with that chuck of cash saved i'd go with 2 1 TB 970 evo plsu ssd's instead of the 980 pro. as noted, it really makes no real world difference and you'd get a whole lot more room. i would use one as OS and a data partition and the second drive for the games alone. we know they are getting massive in size these days and 1 tb will fill up quick with 100+ gb games, leaving little room for pics/music/docs....

just my thoughts anyway, throw in a couple bucks with it and you can get yourself a coke

 

[King Dranzer]

Hey guys, thanks everyone for your suggestions and comments! I took everything into account and increased a budget a bit to accommodate some upgrades.

As for the setup that I'm thinking of at the moment, please find below and let me know your thoughts! I think there's quite a significant improvement compared to my initial list with just c. £100 higher budget.

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 FE
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600
CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI
Case: Cooler Master NR200 White
PSU: EVGA Supernova 650 GM, 80 Plus Gold 650W
Fans: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
NVME for games, data etc: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
NVME for OS: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB

Total price is now c. £1,300 which is on the higher end for my budget but I think the improvements are worth the extra.

Please let me know your thoughts if you can think of anything else I could change. Thanks!

This is what I would get for around that budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£174.84 @ Newegg UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (£144.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£102.19 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung 980 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£86.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB Founders Edition Video Card (£650.00)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case (£69.63 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V750 SFX GOLD 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (£94.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1323.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-10 16:19 BST+0100

That 650W PSU How much it is costing. From what I could find out it is priced at £200. Not a good deal it is way overpriced. I would actually get CM 750W PSU. And is of high quality as well.

Yes 1TB SSD should be big enough to hold basic software and games as well. Fast enough as well. And you can add more storage as per your requirement and based on your usage over time.

 

[Michal95]

i'm not a fan of the 250gb OS drive.

i just built a mini system myself with an extra 3600x i had. i went with a Be quiet cooler for it that is much cheaper than what you picked

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JcqPxr/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-2-cpu-cooler-bk030

cools the 3600x fine which is a higher wattage part than the 5600 you picked. (good call on it by the way).

with that chuck of cash saved i'd go with 2 1 TB 970 evo plsu ssd's instead of the 980 pro. as noted, it really makes no real world difference and you'd get a whole lot more room. i would use one as OS and a data partition and the second drive for the games alone. we know they are getting massive in size these days and 1 tb will fill up quick with 100+ gb games, leaving little room for pics/music/docs....

just my thoughts anyway, throw in a couple bucks with it and you can get yourself a coke

Hi @Math Geek , thanks for the advice on the cooler and storage.

Regarding the cooler, the one that you recommend is 159mm tall and as I understand the NR200 case first up to 155mm. Also in the UK there is apparently a prevalent issue of having this cooler delivered damaged and this is of course not ideal.

Re storage, I am being maybe manipulated by marketing but wherever I look I read "PCIe Gen 4 is x times faster than PCI Gen 3" - hence my decision to go with Gen 4. But if the reality is a bit different then I completely agree that adding 750GB of storage and paying pretty much the same price absolutely makes sense!

This is what I would get for around that budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£174.84 @ Newegg UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (£144.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£102.19 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung 980 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£86.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB Founders Edition Video Card (£650.00)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case (£69.63 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V750 SFX GOLD 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (£94.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1323.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-10 16:19 BST+0100

That 650W PSU How much it is costing. From what I could find out it is priced at £200. Not a good deal it is way overpriced. I would actually get CM 750W PSU. And is of high quality as well.

Yes 1TB SSD should be big enough to hold basic software and games as well. Fast enough as well. And you can add more storage as per your requirement and based on your usage over time.

Thanks @King Dranzer !

On the PSU , I just looked at Amazon UK Evga Supernova 650 Gm, 80 Plus Gold 650W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode With Dbb Fan, Includes Power on Self Tester, Sfx Form Factor, Power Supply 123-Gm-0650-Y3 (Uk) : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories and the price there is £90.

Edit: I see it's Out of stock now. I would go then with the PSU you suggested but 650W as I don't think I need that much juice?

My £1300 total includes also 3 fans from Noctua, additional OS NVME and a third party CPU Cooler from Scythe (as I would like to keep my PC as quiet as possible and the stock AMD cooler is apparently simply loud).

For your configuration, if I bought the things listed above the total would come at closer to £1,500 which is just too much.

Also I think that RTX 3080 should be paired with something a bit better (i.e. more expensive) than Ryzen 5 5600X? It looks a bit odd to me to buy a high end GPU and skimp on a CPU this much. Then if you take e.g. a mid-tier i5 12600K instead, the total is more like £1,600.

But thanks for suggestions!

 

[Math Geek]

missed the lower cpu cooler height on that case. it fit in mine but i went with a cooler master core v1 which i don't even see available to you. good catch.

the marketing is great and the bandwidth available to pcie 4 is 2x the speed, but testing shows minimal real world gains. nothing you'd actually notice unless you do very specific workloads which gaming does not require.

i went with a 2 tb 970 evo plus myself over the summer vs a 4.0 version and see little difference from the sata ssd i was using before.

mini system i just built has a WD black sn770 which is 4.0 and i see no difference day to day vs the 970 evo plus. i only went with it cause best buy had it on sale when i stopped in for some thermal paste. (yah i'm the type of fool who impulse buys ssd's. lol)

overall you got a good build going, we're just looking to optimize that last few dollars for max bang for the buck. i'm noticing when i was looking here in the US, you're prices and parts available are totally different. the nice mobo you picked was pretty high here so i went with an ASRock B550 phantom gaming which was dirt cheap here and very pricey for you. as much as i look at prices all over the world this still amuses me to see.

 

[Why_Me]

Hi everyone,

I am building my first PC and would very much appreciate your opinion on the components that I decided to purchase. I am aiming for a £ 1,000 - £ 1,200 build.

CPU: Intel i5-12400
GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 XC
RAM: 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance
Motherboard: ASRock B660M-ITX
Case: Cooler Master NR200
CPU cooling: Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B
Fans: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
NVME: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (for OS and else)
PSU: EVGA Supernova 650 GM, 80 Plus Gold 650W

Thank you for everyone's input.

Best,

Nice build ^^ You can always add a cheap 1TB SATA SSD later on for more storage. Save a few quid on your M.2 SSD with this one down below.

https://www.box.co.uk/MZ-V7S1T0BW-Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-1TB-M.2-2280-NVMe-P_2476030.html
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe PCIe SSD £109.98

And save a few more quid on your CPU.

https://www.box.co.uk/BX8071512400F-Intel-Core-i5-12400F-12th-Gen-Desktop-Pr_4094468.html
Intel Core i5-12400F £163.99

That cpu doesn't run very warm.

https://www.technextday.co.uk/produ...-fan-intel-amd-sockets-9-2cm-pwm-fan-130w-tdp
Be Quiet! BK030 Pure Rock Slim 2 £23.20

 

[Michal95]

@Math Geek
When considering CPU coolers I mostly referred to testing done on the "Machines & More" channel - Cooler Master NR200 Large Air Coolers: Featuring the U12S, U12A, Scythe Fuma 2, and the C14S! - YouTube

But actually, I found a different cooler that supposedly is 155mm so should fit - Be Quiet BK007 Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler, 120MM PWM Fan, Fits Both Intel And AMD Sockets, Three Year Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories What do you think, should that be enough for 5600?

The ASRock B550 phantom gaming Motherboard you mentioned is £110 so not expensive at all (assuming there are no additional tariffs on Amazon) Asrock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 Motherboard, Supports 3rd Gen AMD4 Ryzen, PCIe 4.3 : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories . Would that be a better one than Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI in your opinion? And why?

Edit: I looked at the ATX motherboard, Mini-ITX is 200+, my bad.

Nice build ^^ You can always add a cheap 1TB SATA SSD later on for more storage. Save a few quid on your M.2 SSD with this one down below.

https://www.box.co.uk/MZ-V7S1T0BW-Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-1TB-M.2-2280-NVMe-P_2476030.html
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe PCIe SSD £109.98

And save a few more quid on your CPU.

https://www.box.co.uk/BX8071512400F-Intel-Core-i5-12400F-12th-Gen-Desktop-Pr_4094468.html
Intel Core i5-12400F £163.99

That cpu doesn't run very warm.

https://www.technextday.co.uk/produ...-fan-intel-amd-sockets-9-2cm-pwm-fan-130w-tdp
Be Quiet! BK030 Pure Rock Slim 2 £23.20

Thanks for chipping in here @Why_Me !

For storage I'm starting to consider the 970 EVO Plus as you mentioned. I just thought that PCIe Gen 4 storage would be significantly faster but it seems that the reality check shows otherwise!

Regarding 12400F - I was a bit hesitant of taking this one as I read that these are the 12400s that just had a faulty graphic component and hence are sold as an "F" version. Also vs Ryzen 5 5600 the price difference is quite small and I think in FPS games AMD actually often outperforms Intel.

Re Cooler: As I said above, it is described as 159mm cooler on Amazon and my case (CM NR200) cannot fit coolers higher than 155mm. I suggested another Be Quiet! cooler above though. If you had a moment to have a look and give your opinion on that one, it would be amazing.

Thanks everyone for being so helpful, this is great!

 

[Math Geek]

@Math Geek
When considering CPU coolers I mostly referred to testing done on the "Machines & More" channel - Cooler Master NR200 Large Air Coolers: Featuring the U12S, U12A, Scythe Fuma 2, and the C14S! - YouTube

But actually, I found a different cooler that supposedly is 155mm so should fit - Be Quiet BK007 Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler, 120MM PWM Fan, Fits Both Intel And AMD Sockets, Three Year Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories What do you think, should that be enough for 5600?

The ASRock B550 phantom gaming Motherboard you mentioned is £110 so not expensive at all (assuming there are no additional tariffs on Amazon) Asrock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 Motherboard, Supports 3rd Gen AMD4 Ryzen, PCIe 4.3 : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories . Would that be a better one than Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI in your opinion? And why?

i actually have that same cooler on a 5900x, so yah it'll be good to go. i'm a big fan of the be quiet coolers i've used. they do the job and as name suggests, they do run nice and quiet which the stock cooler did not at all.

i have multiple B450 Aorus pro wifi boards in my house and have no problem with them. the ASRock one is the first time i have bought their stuff in many years. i went with it as i did not like the fan needed for the x570 chipset and wanted a b550 board. first ASRock board was DOA with a bad ram slot but the replacement works fine. it looks good and so far has not had any more problems. wifi works great and bluetooth has no trouble working. i'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other honestly. they both have the features i need and i'd be happy to have either one. i would let price dictate it for me. $10 i'd not worry but if i could save a bunch with one or the other, i'd go with the cheaper one for sure.

edit: i noticed the ASRock board you linked is full sized ATX and not itx one. this is the itx one and is rather expensive

ASRock B550 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/AX Supports 3rd Gen AMD AM4 Ryzen™ / Future AMD Ryzen™ Processors motherboard : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

Buy

www.amazon.co.uk

 

[Michal95]

@Math Geek , apologies, I realised after posting that I looked at the ATX. Agree that ITX is a no-go for me based on price when other £140-£150 options are available and not that much worse.

 

[Michal95]

@Math Geek @Why_Me @King Dranzer

May I ask actually for one more piece of advice on the CPU cooler. I found a few available options in the end and being no expert on cooling would be great to hear your opinions.

Be Quiet BK007 Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler, 120MM PWM Fan, Fits Both Intel And AMD Sockets, Three Year Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £40
SCYTHE SCMG-5PCGH Mugen 5"PCGH Edition" CPU cooler : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £60
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Air Cooler, Intel LGA1700, LGA1151, AMD AM4/Ryzen 120mm, Dual Towers, Black Top Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £70
SCYTHE SCMG-5100 Mugen 5 Rev.B CPU cooler - 120mm, black : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £70
SCYTHE SCFM-2000 FUMA 2, CPU cooler - 2x120 mm : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £80

I understand that for Ryzen 5 5600 I probably don't need the best cooler on the market. My top priority is for it to actually work as it should (keep temps low) and work quietly.

Thanks!

 

[Why_Me]

@Math Geek @Why_Me @King Dranzer

May I ask actually for one more piece of advice on the CPU cooler. I found a few available options in the end and being no expert on cooling would be great to hear your opinions.

Be Quiet BK007 Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler, 120MM PWM Fan, Fits Both Intel And AMD Sockets, Three Year Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £40
SCYTHE SCMG-5PCGH Mugen 5"PCGH Edition" CPU cooler : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £60
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Air Cooler, Intel LGA1700, LGA1151, AMD AM4/Ryzen 120mm, Dual Towers, Black Top Cover : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £70
SCYTHE SCMG-5100 Mugen 5 Rev.B CPU cooler - 120mm, black : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £70
SCYTHE SCFM-2000 FUMA 2, CPU cooler - 2x120 mm : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories - £80

I understand that for Ryzen 5 5600 I probably don't need the best cooler on the market. My top priority is for it to actually work as it should (keep temps low) and work quietly.

Thanks!

The Pure Rock 2 will work fine for either the Intel or AMD build. If you were going with an i7 then you'd want the Fuma 2 rev B.

 

[Math Geek]

yah the pure rock 2 is all you need. it was on the 3600x first and stayed under 70 degrees with torture test running and low 60's during a gaming session.

on the 5900x it is about the same, i do have PBO enabled but otherwise have nt messed with the settings so power limits are not turned off. works great for my uses and will be plenty for a 5600 . no need to spend more.

 

[Karadjgne]

The difference between Gen3 NVMe and Gen4 NVMe is bandwidth, not speed. Speed is upto the vendor, the controller used etc.

With the difference in bandwidth and generally speeds, everything else has to be taken into account as well. With NVMe you are talking nanoseconds difference in bytes. Just as example, say the ram takes a full second to get the data, and ship it through to the cpu. As long as the storage can supply that data in less than a second, there's no hold up, no bottleneck. So it doesn't really make a difference if the storage can supply that file in 1/2 a second or 1/4 of a second.

That's how they work with game files, as the individual files are very small, a few Kb or at most a few Mb. It's Large files where Gen4 outshines Gen3, not in game files but in single legal documents, entire games as a zip file etc where you are looking at multiple Gb, that's when the bandwidth of the ram becomes a choke point and needs to shove the entire file through asap, meaning the entire file needs to get to the ram asap.

So if you basically rarely ever have need for such huge file movement, there's little to no difference in ability between Gen3 NVMe and Gen4 NVMe as the files get to the ram faster than the ram can deal with it fully. Which is partly on the cpu to demand the files in the first place. If the cpu doesn't need the file right then, it sits in the ram waiting to move on, so the speeds it enters the ram become moot, as long as it's done faster than the demand throughput.

Also to consider is how ssds work. The files don't have a set physical location like a hdd where an arm must travel to reach the physical location. The info is at a virtual address, or basically right there in front, nothing in between. And that info is spread throughout the entire ssd. A ssd has pockets that store the data as a voltage, and only a certain amount of those pockets. The larger the drive, the more pockets it has, so the less often each individual pocket is used. Which means a 2Tb NVMe will last a whole lot longer than a 256 or 512Gb drive overall. Initial outlay might be more, but over time the value of £ to pocket becomes less.

 

[Michal95]

@Why_Me @Math Geek thanks, will go with the Be Quiet BK007 Pure Rock 2 then. Always 20 pounds more kept in the pocket!

@Karadjgne thanks for the explanation. Just to give my potential use case - if I'm not doing any video editing nor hardcore coding and just might sometimes use excel files of up to 150MB for work and do some gaming, there's no real difference that I would see between Gen 4 and Gen 5?

As the motherboard we chose above supports 2 NVME cards, 1x Gen 4 & 1x Gen 3, I was thinking about buying first 1TB Gen 4 so that it's future proof and then if I need more storage buy a 2nd card of Gen 3. Does it make sense or in my particular use case I could just spend £25 less and do not bother with Gen 4 at all and go for Gen 3 instead (Samsung 970 EVO Plus)?

Thanks!