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I'm a newbie when it comes to the parts of a Computer so I will need some help. I'm trying to build an awesome PC that will play Half-Life 2, Doom 3, and Far Cry at max settings.

Here are some of my choices for cases:

Thermaltake Highest Xazer III
http://tinyurl.com/6b2y4

Aspire (Turbo Case) X-Superalien
http://tinyurl.com/6ghzv

RAIDMAX Blue Aluminum Gaming Case
http://tinyurl.com/4xxe6

Aspire X-Infinity Silver ATX Mid-Tower Case
http://tinyurl.com/5lnrc

Processors:
AMD Socket 754 Athlon 64 3700+, 2.4 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - OEM
http://tinyurl.com/6nhwa

CD/DVD Burners:
NEC 8X Dual Layer DVD +/-RW Drive (Is this any good?)
http://tinyurl.com/ysjql

Video Card:
Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "A400 GT TDH"
http://tinyurl.com/4c3g5

XFX nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "PVT40AUA"
http://tinyurl.com/5czrq

Sound Card:
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350"
http://tinyurl.com/66ho3

DVD-ROM:
Asus Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DVD-E616P1 Black, Retail
http://tinyurl.com/5sjlf

Floppy Disk Drive:
Samsung Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model SFD321B/LBL1, OEM Drive Only

I need major help trying to find good Hard Drives, RAM, Motherboards,etc. I really appreciate your help.
 

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For mobo, get MSI K8N Neo Platinum

I recommend LiteOn SOHW-832S DVD burner and LiteOn JLMS XJ-HD166S DVD-ROM

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I would Stick with the ASUS-DVDrom drive, simply because it doesn't make as much noise as the Lite on dvdrom drive. And the diffrence in price does not justify picking the Liteon over the asus drive.

As for dvd-burner i agree...pick liteon
 

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Why are you buying the top end of socket 754? If you have enough to afford the 3700+, why don't you just get a socket 939 solution? 3700+ is the highest 754 will ever go, so you're paying a premium.

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and for clickys you should check this out

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=408315#408315" target="_new">clicky</A>

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gigabyte ga-7va
512mb samsung pc2700(2x256mb)
maxtor 60gb 7200rpm
LG cd-r/rw 48x24x48
soundblaster live 5.1
BBA radeon 9600xt 128mb
antec 550w true control
 

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As I said I'm a newbie when it comes to computer parts. what is a socket 754, and socket 939. Can you please give me a link?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dreamcube on 08/24/04 02:45 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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754 is the first mobo socket that came out and does not support dual channel and it will only support the A64 up to the 3700+...so when you upgrade you will HAVE to get a ne mobo.
939 is the future chipset, it supports dual channel. When you upgrade you can just switch out the CPU. But by the time a A64 3700+ isn't doing what you want....you will WANT a new mobo anyway because of new features comming in the next 2-3years.

Dual channel and the future is why most people reccomend 939. for a cheap system you could get a 2800+ on a 754 mobo, but if you are going to buy the 3700+....get 939 and then a slightly lower CPU to keep the price the same.

And about dual channel....with an A64 its not a HUGE deal because of the onboard memory controler. with it being on the chip it lowers the acess time and you can buy ValueRAM at about half the cost of low latency dual channel RAM....and you will lose only a very small % in performance.

If you have the money get 939, and then the highest A64 that you want to buy...3500+ would be great on a 939 board.

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Can you please give me a link to a good 939.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dreamcube on 08/24/04 04:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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you want something comparing the 754 to the 939? or just about the 939? or to a 939 board i would reccomend?

or what?

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<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/index.html" target="_new"> #1 </A>

<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/index.html" target="_new"> #2 </A>

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2069" target="_new"> #3 </A>

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-468&depa=1" target="_new"> 939 board </A>

the 3articles weren't written yesterday so the prices and any price comparison they make probably has changed. Check current prices on CPU's. but the features are still the same. read the dates on the articles.
The link to the Mobo, its the cheaper of the two that had the Nforce3 250Ultra chipset. This is the best chipset for 939. There is one more that is 60bucks more but i dont think you will use those features.

One more thing...did you even search on Tom's site? or even google any of this?
I dont mind helping out what little i know....but reading articles from Tom, Anandtech and others will help you know whats going on and they all have searchable archives.

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CHEATER!

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So this:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-463&depa=1" target="_new"> AMD Athlon 64 3500+ </A>

should be paired with this:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-468&depa=1" target="_new"> MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" </A>

Is the 3500+ 939 socket that much slower than the 3700+ 754 socket?
 

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I just upgraded my system from
xp2600 to 64 3500 because dual channel mem does come in handy at higher resolutions in games and the thermal control on the cpu vs 754 sockets, I think some do have thermal though.

asus 5900 to a leadtek 6800 gt got some nice ratings and price was fair.

512 meg 3200 corsair ddr to 1 gig 3700 ozc.

asus a8v mobo because of serial ata support for 4 drives and and supports thermal control features. had a gig 7nnxp

all four of my systems are gigabyte and amd they all run fine
hope this helps if not oh well i got to exercise my fingers.

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The 3700+ will pound the 3500+. Dual channel or not!

Abit IS7 - 2.8C @ 3.4ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 

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So far here is what my PC will consists of:

Case:
Still not sure but I’m leaning towards the
Aspire (Turbo Case) X-Superalien
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/6ghzv " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/6ghzv </A>

Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 3500+
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/3t9yu " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/3t9yu </A>

CD/DVD Burners:
Lite-On 8X Double Layer DVD+/-RW Drive
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/5y6pj " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/5y6pj </A>

DVD-ROM:
Asus Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DVD-E616P1 Black, Retail
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/5sjlf " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/5sjlf </A>

Floppy Disk Drive:
Samsung Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/5c6yx " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/5c6yx </A>

Video Card:
Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "A400 GT TDH"
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/4c3g5 " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/4c3g5 </A>

Sound Card:
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350"
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/66ho3 " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/66ho3 </A>

Motherboard:
MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/4h7bh " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/4h7bh </A>

Memory: I still need help deciding what memory I should get.

Hard Drive: I don’t know what hard drive I should get either.

Ethernet Adapter:
3com 10/100Mbps PCI Ethernet Adapter
<A HREF="http:// http://tinyurl.com/43afo " target="_new">http:// http://tinyurl.com/43afo </A>


So what does everyone think of my future PC so far? Does anyone have any suggestion? Also, will I be able to play Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Far Cry, etc. with max settings? I appreciate all your help


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dreamcube on 08/25/04 01:20 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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First off, why are you buying a PCI ethernet card? The mobo you chose has integrated <b>Gigabit</b> ethernet, which is better than what you get on that card. For memory, just get crucial ballistix, 2 sticks of 512 should do you fine, but you could get 4 if you want an insane 2 gigs of ram. For hard drive, I'd say just buy 2 120 gig sata drives and run them together in raid 0. Oh, and in regard to your "max settings" question, Doom 3 says it needs a 512 mb graphics card to run at max settings. Since 512 mb graphics cards don't exist, I think you're out of luck there. But this system will kick serious ass.

"It's too late now anyway. That song is stuck in my head and the only way to get rid of it is to blow it out. With a bullet!! - Carl
 

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How is this memory:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-450&depa=1" target="_new"> Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series </A>

I just want to buy one hard drive for now is 120 GB enough or should I get something like this:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-152-015&DEPA=0" target="_new"> SAMSUNG 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive </A>

Also can someone tell me the difference between these hard drives:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-018&depa=1" target="_new"> Seagate 160GB Barracuda 7200.7 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive </A>
and
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-034&depa=1" target="_new"> Seagate 160GB Barracuda 7200.7 7200RPM SATA II with NCQ Hard Drive </A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dreamcube on 08/25/04 09:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>