Foxes

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In a nut shell, there have been lots of foxes running from the crops as we
combine the fields, however I have only shot two of them.

The foxes always seem to go out the opposite side to me, even when I try to
be really quiet.

Any tips?

Also what shot size and grammage should I really be using? The I think the
max shell size is 70mm.

Thanks James

 

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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:00:58 GMT, "James Doble"
<james.doble@virgin.net> wrote:


>The foxes always seem to go out the opposite side to me, even when I try to
>be really quiet.
>
>Any tips?
take three mates with you (or more) and cover all angles!
>
>Also what shot size and grammage should I really be using? The I think the
>max shell size is 70mm.

I use BB
>
>Thanks James
>

 

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Try getting hold of some winchester double magnum no 2's - now they are
serious fox medicine!


Matt

 

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The message <u63Uc.132$H07.105@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
from "James Doble" <james.doble@virgin.net> contains these words:

> In a nut shell, there have been lots of foxes running from the crops as we
> combine the fields, however I have only shot two of them.

I'd say that's pretty good going, actually. Foxes lying up in crop are
notoriously difficult to deal with when you are alone.

> The foxes always seem to go out the opposite side to me, even when I try to
> be really quiet.

Perhaps they're smelling you, rather than hearing or seeing you.

> Any tips?

I wouldn't mind betting every fox the combine flushes makes for the
nearest piece of woodland. If I were you, that's where I'd set up my
ambush, rather than trying to do the impossible and cover all avenues of
escape in the field. Wear suitable clothing and get into position in the
wood nice and early, before the combine driver starts up the machine.

> Also what shot size and grammage should I really be using? The I think the
> max shell size is 70mm.

Like Derek, I mostly use BB's. But shot size is largely irrelevant; you
can kill a fox with 6's - as long as it's close enough. If Alphamax
BB's are unavailable use 3's or heavier. However, of far more importance
is showing some restraint where necessary. Only fire if you are certain
of a kill, that means running broadside and chest shots taken at no more
than thirty yards, even closer if possible. A fox in motion is far
easier to kill as the rib cage is open, leaving the heart and lungs
exposed and vulnerable. No matter how much you're tempted, don't fire
at foxes that are running directly away from you; you'll only wound them
and they'll end up dying a miserable death.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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In message <2004081714065479091@zetnet.co.uk>, Kim Sawyer
<ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> writes

>Only fire if you are certain
>of a kill, that means running broadside and chest shots taken at no more
>than thirty yards, even closer if possible. A fox in motion is far
>easier to kill as the rib cage is open, leaving the heart and lungs
>exposed and vulnerable.

A point that was made to me many years ago (by Arthur Bale in Cardiff)
is that a running fox (or in my case rabbit) is easier to kill because
the skin is taught like a drum and hence easier to penetrate. A sitting
bunny's skin is loose and absorbs more energy. Other than bone, the
skin presents the greatest resistance to a missile.

--Jonathan

"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928

 

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The message <Un2Da8AXTjIBFwvH@salvage.demon.co.uk>
from Jonathan Spencer <jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> contains these words:


> A point that was made to me many years ago (by Arthur Bale in Cardiff)
> is that a running fox (or in my case rabbit) is easier to kill because
> the skin is taught like a drum and hence easier to penetrate. A sitting
> bunny's skin is loose and absorbs more energy. Other than bone, the
> skin presents the greatest resistance to a missile.

Sounds like pretty good advice to me. The old 'keeper here would have
your guts for garters if he caught you firing at a sitting bunny, or any
thing else for that matter. And quite right too!

By the way, who was Arthur Bale?

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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Kim Sawyer <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:2004081720203179091@zetnet.co.uk:

> The message <Un2Da8AXTjIBFwvH@salvage.demon.co.uk>
> from Jonathan Spencer <jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> contains
> these words:
>
>
>> A point that was made to me many years ago (by Arthur Bale in
>> Cardiff) is that a running fox (or in my case rabbit) is easier to
>> kill because the skin is taught like a drum and hence easier to
>> penetrate. A sitting bunny's skin is loose and absorbs more energy.
>> Other than bone, the skin presents the greatest resistance to a
>> missile.
>
> Sounds like pretty good advice to me. The old 'keeper here would have
> your guts for garters if he caught you firing at a sitting bunny, or
> any thing else for that matter. And quite right too!
>
> By the way, who was Arthur Bale?

He owned a gun shop in the centre of Cardiff, which has now moved to the
outskirts of the city and is now in the hands of Martin Bale.
They are kind of old school shooters and the shop has now moved in to
airguns and fishing more than shotguns and firearms. Martin has a small
stock of firearms and even less of a stock of ammunition.


John

 

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In message <2004081720203179091@zetnet.co.uk>, Kim Sawyer
<ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> writes

>By the way, who was Arthur Bale?

Martin Bale's father, who is present proprietor of Arthur Bale & Sons,
gun dealer and general sporting store. They were based at 3 Frederick
St in Cardiff but now moved a bit farther out. Martin's dad (who may
still be alive, I don't know) was a wise old bird who had time to share
with his customers, a gentleman in the true sense, and dispenser of all
kinds of sage advice. And his son is just as nice.

--Jonathan

"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928

 

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"Jonathan Spencer" <jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3iBbrtAL0mIBFwal@salvage.demon.co.uk...
> In message <2004081720203179091@zetnet.co.uk>, Kim Sawyer
> <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
> >By the way, who was Arthur Bale?
>
> Martin Bale's father, who is present proprietor of Arthur Bale & Sons,
> gun dealer and general sporting store. They were based at 3 Frederick
> St in Cardiff but now moved a bit farther out. Martin's dad (who may
> still be alive, I don't know) was a wise old bird who had time to share
> with his customers, a gentleman in the true sense, and dispenser of all
> kinds of sage advice. And his son is just as nice.
>
> --Jonathan
>
> "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
> Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928

Thanks for the advice. I will try to get my hands on some BB's. However, the
way this summer is going I think we will be ploughing the crops in! Oh well
the joys of an English summer!

 

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Skipping back to the original story which I saw in The Times....


do we know what calibre of rifle was involved?

I should hate to be on the receiving end of anything which came
rolling down a rifle barrel but the thought of an expanding bullet
gives me the shivers.



From Pete

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"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
Bart Simpson

 

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In message <980ai056ckafsf8v9vf3t60oagfj394to9@4ax.com>, Pete
<pete.ansbro@virgin.net> writes
>Skipping back to the original story which I saw in The Times....
>
>
>do we know what calibre of rifle was involved?
>
>I should hate to be on the receiving end of anything which came
>rolling down a rifle barrel but the thought of an expanding bullet
>gives me the shivers.

It was a .243 Winchester. The ammunition was Federal and the bullet was
a 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. He was struck in the front left side
of the chest, above the heart. The ambulance to around 30 minutes to
reach him. Lucky to be alive, I say.

--Jonathan

"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928

 

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:56:36 GMT, Jonathan Spencer
<jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> wrote:
>snippety snip<
>In message <980ai056ckafsf8v9vf3t60oagfj394to9@4ax.com>, Pete
><pete.ansbro@virgin.net> writes

>It was a .243 Winchester. The ammunition was Federal and the bullet was
>a 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. He was struck in the front left side
>of the chest, above the heart. The ambulance to around 30 minutes to
>reach him. Lucky to be alive, I say.

Ouch. So that's a bigger round than our squaddies shoot these days..
and expanding... very lucky indeed.


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Bart Simpson

 

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>Ouch. So that's a bigger round than our squaddies shoot these days..
>and expanding... very lucky indeed.

Ah! but the squaddies intention is to wound, not kill. A wounded man takes 4
men to recover and look after him, where as there are laws to ensure a quick
kill of an animal, cheers, Norman.

 

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On 21 Aug 2004 17:49:14 GMT, seaangling@aol.com (SEAANGLING) wrote:
>snippety snip<
>>Ouch. So that's a bigger round than our squaddies shoot these days..
>>and expanding... very lucky indeed.
>
>Ah! but the squaddies intention is to wound, not kill.

My point also.



From Pete

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"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
Bart Simpson

 

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:56:36 GMT, Jonathan Spencer
<jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <980ai056ckafsf8v9vf3t60oagfj394to9@4ax.com>, Pete
><pete.ansbro@virgin.net> writes
>>Skipping back to the original story which I saw in The Times....
>>
>>
>>do we know what calibre of rifle was involved?
>>
>>I should hate to be on the receiving end of anything which came
>>rolling down a rifle barrel but the thought of an expanding bullet
>>gives me the shivers.
>
>It was a .243 Winchester. The ammunition was Federal and the bullet was
>a 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. He was struck in the front left side
>of the chest, above the heart. The ambulance to around 30 minutes to
>reach him. Lucky to be alive, I say.
>

Blimey. How is that guy not dead?
Again - blimey.

--
Mark

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