FPS on my EVGA 7900GT KO (512mb) seem sort of dismal...

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Here's the situation. Typically I don't play very graphically intensive games -- I like World of Warcraft, Warcraft 3, Baldur's Gate, the Diablo Games...older stuff sorta.

I do however enjoy Oblivion, the graphics hog.

Recently I replaced my 6600GT with an EVGA 7900GT KO, 512mb version which I purchased at newegg.com for a great deal in my opinion.

I am running in single card mode, not in SLI.

My system components are as follows (it was a premade I upgraded):

3.0ghz Pentium 4 Processor
2 gig PC3200 Ram (Kingston)
Enermax Noisetaker495 (485w, combined 36v on separate 12v rails)


I was told I should be able to run Oblivion darn near max settings with great fps and no stuttering.

However, this isn't true. I fired up oblivion and the game detected "Medium graphics" for me by default. I adjusted things, and outdoors at medium settings and no lighting effects (not even bloom), I am lucky to stay above 35fps.

Is the card not good enough? Is my processor bottlenecking me? Or is the game really just that demanding? I'm trying to figure out the best way to get good fps and still retain good visual quality.

Would switching to an x1900xt maybe make that huge a difference, or is it not worth all the hassle (not to mention restocking fees)?

Anyone else play with a setup similar to mine?
 
You didnt mention what resolution you were playing on. But Oblivion is a VERY demanding game no matter what hardware your have, itz not a FPS so frames shouldnt matter too much anyways rite? Unless you have an SLI X-Fire setup, dont expect more than 40 fps outdoor w/ max settings with resolutions greater than 1280x1024.
 
It's your P4 in my opinion not the 7900. It's gotta be what 2 or 3 yr old tech. I owned a P4 3.0 800 and was never that impressed with it. the dam thing wouldn't even record video without locking up. Hopefully you have a decent motherboard like Asus or MSI or you're not going to get the most out of the P4.
 
i have a 7800gtx, (see the rest of my rig in my signature).

I also had to knock some of the settings down, its the the most power hungry game i've ever played and i have played hundreds of games in my 31years.

Dont worry about all settings on high, read the tweak guide that is available :-
http://www.tweakguides.com/Oblivion_1.html

i found that by reducing a few options i was able to get a nice looking game with great playable frame rate... the gameplay itself makes up for any shortfalls in eye candy.

I've even seen on some forums that with an SLI setup you still cant max the graphics out!

You have a great graphics card, it should play everything else really well, so dont wory, and by the way the only other game i've had a few problems with is FEAR, its a power hungry pig too.
 
I'd also say it's the processor, slow fsb, etc.

Also, a lot of people buy these cards and think they can max things out. That's not always the case.

I know F.E.A.R. has it, but don't know if your game does........ check for soft shadows and turn them off if there.

Forgot to mention.... try and use a slightly older driver. The newer ones have enhancements for things top end cards will use. 77.77 and up. Stop at 90's
 
Here's the situation. Typically I don't play very graphically intensive games -- I like World of Warcraft, Warcraft 3, Baldur's Gate, the Diablo Games...older stuff sorta.

I do however enjoy Oblivion, the graphics hog.

Recently I replaced my 6600GT with an EVGA 7900GT KO, 512mb version which I purchased at newegg.com for a great deal in my opinion.

I am running in single card mode, not in SLI.

My system components are as follows (it was a premade I upgraded):

3.0ghz Pentium 4 Processor
2 gig PC3200 Ram (Kingston)
Enermax Noisetaker495 (485w, combined 36v on separate 12v rails)


I was told I should be able to run Oblivion darn near max settings with great fps and no stuttering.

However, this isn't true. I fired up oblivion and the game detected "Medium graphics" for me by default. I adjusted things, and outdoors at medium settings and no lighting effects (not even bloom), I am lucky to stay above 35fps.

Is the card not good enough? Is my processor bottlenecking me? Or is the game really just that demanding? I'm trying to figure out the best way to get good fps and still retain good visual quality.

Would switching to an x1900xt maybe make that huge a difference, or is it not worth all the hassle (not to mention restocking fees)?

Anyone else play with a setup similar to mine?
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I play oblivion with a X1900XT and I can say it's absolutely flawless even in the outdoors. I think I've got Bloom and 6x AA turned on. It's good enough for me, I'll try HDR one of these days.

I don't know the actual framerates but it's probably above 30 or 40 most of the time.
 
Here's the situation. Typically I don't play very graphically intensive games -- I like World of Warcraft, Warcraft 3, Baldur's Gate, the Diablo Games...older stuff sorta.

I do however enjoy Oblivion, the graphics hog.

Recently I replaced my 6600GT with an EVGA 7900GT KO, 512mb version which I purchased at newegg.com for a great deal in my opinion.

I am running in single card mode, not in SLI.

My system components are as follows (it was a premade I upgraded):

3.0ghz Pentium 4 Processor
2 gig PC3200 Ram (Kingston)
Enermax Noisetaker495 (485w, combined 36v on separate 12v rails)


I was told I should be able to run Oblivion darn near max settings with great fps and no stuttering.

However, this isn't true. I fired up oblivion and the game detected "Medium graphics" for me by default. I adjusted things, and outdoors at medium settings and no lighting effects (not even bloom), I am lucky to stay above 35fps.

Is the card not good enough? Is my processor bottlenecking me? Or is the game really just that demanding? I'm trying to figure out the best way to get good fps and still retain good visual quality.

Would switching to an x1900xt maybe make that huge a difference, or is it not worth all the hassle (not to mention restocking fees)?

Anyone else play with a setup similar to mine?
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I play oblivion with a X1900XT and I can say it's absolutely flawless even in the outdoors. I think I've got Bloom and 6x AA turned on. It's good enough for me, I'll try HDR one of these days.

I don't know the actual framerates but it's probably above 30 or 40 most of the time.

yeah the xt really shows how many balls it has in oblivion.
 
What res are you people running at??? 35 FPS is actually pretty good for Oblivion. You should check out some of the THG benchmarks... Oblivion doesn't run very well on any single-GPU setup: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/17/summer_2006_geforce_7_graphics_gear/page14.html.

I think it must have been optimized for XB360, because it is way too much of a resource hog for how the graphics look (IMO). Anyway, I think 35FPS is good for medium settings.
 
Actually I experimented with many resolutions..up to and including the smallest size (what is that, like 640x480 or something?) and it didn't seem to make much difference. It's funny though my friends X800 got detected as HIGH settings by Oblivion and my 7900GT gets detected as MEDIUM? What gives?

Also, I ran 3dmark05 today and ended up with a 6879 score without overclocking. However, it is the free trial version. What does this score mean, and is it good?

Like I said I"m a 3d-noob and trying to learn more about how to get the most out of my games.
 
I play oblivion with a X1900XT and I can say it's absolutely flawless even in the outdoors. I think I've got Bloom and 6x AA turned on. It's good enough for me, I'll try HDR one of these days.
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Damn, son, you've got an x1900xt and don't even play with HDR on? Get with the program!

"Bloom" lighting goes down in the history books with Windows ME and Atari's "E.T." as one of the worst tech inventions of all time.
 
I really think the bottleneck is in your CPU, if you really want to make sure you could always do it the hard way and get a friend with a newer CPU to install your 7900GT on it. Just a thought.
 
My x800 Pro got detected as high too 😀 but it has an arctic cooler on it and is clocked from stock 475/450 to 550/550 (that cooler was the best 20 bucks anyone with an x800 or x850 can buy, got an extra 7-10 fps across the board in all games, makes the stuttery run buttery!).

I turned off the grass and I have a good looking game that runs well and is very playable.
 
I really think the bottleneck is in your CPU, if you really want to make sure you could always do it the hard way and get a friend with a newer CPU to install your 7900GT on it. Just a thought.
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I'm really thinking it's the CPU as well. Not 100% sure but I'd put my money on it. oh well at least when I upgrade computers I can strip the good parts out of it and put them into that. Maybe run 7900GTs in SLI later or something.
 
I was told I should be able to run Oblivion darn near max settings with great fps and no stuttering.
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Sorry to say, there lies your whole problem. You were told wrong. The 7900GT can't come close to max details, even at 1024x768 resolution running NV's default driver optimizations. I ditched my 7800GT because I founds it's oblivion performance to be very dissapointing. X1900XT or on a budget X1800XT is the way to go for Oblivion.

Don't take my word for it, check out firingsquads review: 1024x768 the 7900GT averaged 23.9 fps in the outdoor demanding areas. 1280x1024 it averaged 17.2 fps.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page5.asp

Anyway, that should end all arguements and close the case, the 7900GT is just no match for Oblivion. It's a good card, you just expected too much based on someones careless exagerations. To be honest, no single card has conquered Oblivion, but like farcry, it will happen someday.
 
I'm really thinking it's the CPU as well. Not 100% sure but I'd put my money on it.
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In Oblivion, more than anything it's the 7900GT. The P4 will struggle in gate/town locations with lots of NPC's. Looking at the review I linked above, they had an FX-57 and you can see how poorly the 7900GT did outdoors.
 
Pauldh said:
Anyway, that should end all arguements and close the case, the 7900GT is just no match for Oblivion. It's a good card, you just expected too much based on someones careless exagerations. To be honest, no single card has conquered Oblivion, but like farcry, it will happen someday.
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Thank you for saying it :) I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading through the thread. I remember when you had to have a sweet PC to run StarCraft. Oblivion is simply ahead of the software/hardware curve. Overall, the 7900GT KO is a badass card and you should be satisfied with what it gives you!
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You never had to have a sweet PC to run starcraft, lol. It ran fine on my old HP 133MHz pentium. Flawlessly on my 1.5 Ghz P4 w/ onboard video. If your system can run the windows pinball game you can run starcraft.
 
....... wow about 6800 on a 7900 GT KO 512 ?

im running a P4 2.8 w/ 6800 GS AGP BFG at 412/1100 stock cooler

i get like 5500-5600 on 3DMark O5 .. thats a pretty crappy score for 3dmark o5 for a 7900GT KO, go read some benchmarks, lotta people are getting about 9k score with 3dmark 05, that of course is with an dual core =x so just maybe upgrade your cpu will do ! amd cpus are at an all time low =D
 
It seems that, according to that link you posted, no single card really runs Oblivion at higher settings on its own that greatly. Even the X1900XT's results are a touch unimpressive (in my opinion). Guess Oblivion is just one of those games where SLI is the way to go.

DAMN YOU ONLY HAVING ONE PCI-E SLOT!

:)
 
It seems that, according to that link you posted, no single card really runs Oblivion at higher settings on its own that greatly. Even the X1900XT's results are a touch unimpressive (in my opinion). Guess Oblivion is just one of those games where SLI is the way to go.
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Actually, Crossfire X1900XT is the way to go for Oblivion; alot better than SLI in that game. But those were not high settings, they were MAX settings, which you are right at higher res even a X1900XT struggles at. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page11.asp

Even Anand used crossfire X1900XT's for their Oblivion CPU tests calling them the Clear winner in their Oblivion GPU test. But if you go with high end crossifre, then you need a massive CPU to keep up with it in Oblivion; this anand CPU review shows that quite clearly. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2747&p=2

But all things considered, a single X1900XT does very well in Oblivion, epeccially compared to it's NV equivelent. FS in that top link, showed a single X1900XT is as good as SLI 7900GT's in Oblivion. Anand's review shows the single X1900xT offering higher average, but also WAY higher low fps compared to SLI 7900GT. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746&p=4

In general, it's the lows where NV's cards hurt the most in Oblivion, which affects the best playable settings more than the average framerates. That's also why you are going to see your 7900GT struggle in that game. But look at the X1900XT and it's lows aren't much lower than it's average, providing for better playable settings to be used.
 
Yes, in general OpenGL games like Quake 4, Chronicles of Riddick, and Doom 3 favor the 7900GT's. But really it does very well in most games, Oblivion just hammers all GPU's, moreso the GF7's than the Radeons. Your 7900GT is a very good card, enjoy it.
 
Great, I was starting to wonder if I should've gone with the x1900 instead. ><

I was looking at a 15% restocking fee through newegg for RMA. 8O
 
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