News Framework Adds Specs, Opens Pre-Orders for Repairable Notebook

[Admin]

Framework is opening pre-orders on its repairable notebooks and announcing more detailed specs.

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[kaalus]

Interesting how the article focuses solely on what CPU will be in the laptop: i5-1135G7 or i7-1185G7 and whether it will have 8GB or 16GB or RAM. Is there any way the user can notice the difference without running CPU-Z or some other artificial benchmark? No.

However, screen resolution, screen size, quality of keyboard and touchpad, and most of all, the noise the cooling system makes under load - these are factors that any healthy human will notice instantly. Focus on them, not on irrelevant stuff like the CPU and memory.

 

[Raistlin81]

Yes, it would be nice to know more about the specs of the chassis, how does it handle ports, will it only be compatible with motherboards framework produce, are all the specs open so that third parties will produce parts. Lots of information missing, hope toms get one in to do a bit of testing.

 

[jkhoward]

Why did tech journalist stop linking to the damn product they’re reviewing.. like holy moly. Give me a link!

 

[escksu]

Repairable??? You meant laptops today aren't repairable so you need to have special version?? The like of DEll and Lenovo are fully repairable and many are upgradeable. Of course, upgrade means RAM and SSD.

The parts are secured by screws which can be removed.....

 

[jasonkaler]

Repairable??? You meant laptops today aren't repairable so you need to have special version?? The like of DEll and Lenovo are fully repairable and many are upgradeable. Of course, upgrade means RAM and SSD.

The parts are secured by screws which can be removed.....

try getting an macbook repaired. If a single connector comes loose, they charge you the full price of a new unit to get it fixed. It's so bad that countries are creating "right to repair" laws.
Most normal laptops though, especially the cheaper ones have many bga components. You can't replace the cpu and several other things.

 

[ginthegit]

Its always the same nonsense. Laptops are already repairable, the only things that you can't change are soldered on components. Many CPUs like my old MSi Cx41 that I still use now I can find better CPUs on the same slot format and slot them in. MXM graphics slots have been around for ages too, so as long as the system connetor can supply enough power, then you are fine. RAM, My CX41 has 8Gig and can also also go up further with DDR3. If one of the daughter board peripherals isnt working, I can chage the board through ebay, and finally they have Legit expansion ports. This is old news. Ive changed most components on my Cx41 so this whole article is moot... I currently have my CX41 connected to a large monitor through its side port, but I also have a USB 3 connector that can connect to HDMi if needed, so I can drive the main TV in the house with it.

What they mean to say, is they have given easy access to certain limited modules, and its almost fool proof... Ive been fixing and changing out components on my laptop for years.

 

[ginthegit]

try getting an macbook repaired. If a single connector comes loose, they charge you the full price of a new unit to get it fixed. It's so bad that countries are creating "right to repair" laws.
Most normal laptops though, especially the cheaper ones have many bga components. You can't replace the cpu and several other things.

It is true, already soldered components are impossible to change. My Wifes Macbook is out of warrantee and I repair it myself. Its not broken even after 7 years, so never had to try.

"Right to repair" laws are just another left wing addition to the control of cost and control of money flow to their friends. Learn how to fix what you buy, you'll save yourself a fortune.

 

[Krotow]

It is true, already soldered components are impossible to change. My Wifes Macbook is out of warrantee and I repair it myself. Its not broken even after 7 years, so never had to try.

"Right to repair" laws are just another left wing addition to the control of cost and control of money flow to their friends. Learn how to fix what you buy, you'll save yourself a fortune.

BS and BS. Yes, not replaceable for average Joe without microsoldering skills and proper equipment. But fixable in repair shop who have proper equipment for SMD and BGA soldering and rework. Check Louis Rossmann repair videos in YouTube for example. And repair often will cost a small fraction of device price. Main issue is impossibility to order several proprietary chips like board controllers, power regulators, Apple T2 etc. And access to board views and circuit diagrams even for money.

"Right to repair" laws are left wing conspiracy? What a BS!

By the way no one would complain about Apple if they would ask only fair price for repaired part + work in authorized service. But asking full device price to replace only broken screen is ransom. Also dubious attitude to customers, pretending to repair a device when in reality cold soldering is "fixed" with tucking a rubber pad under motherboard.

 

[ginthegit]

BS and BS. Yes, not replaceable for average Joe without microsoldering skills and proper equipment. But fixable in repair shop who have proper equipment for SMD and BGA soldering and rework. Check Louis Rossmann repair videos in YouTube for example. And repair often will cost a small fraction of device price. Main issue is impossibility to order several proprietary chips like board controllers, power regulators, Apple T2 etc. And access to board views and circuit diagrams even for money.

"Right to repair" laws are left wing conspiracy? What a BS!

By the way no one would complain about Apple if they would ask only fair price for repaired part + work in authorized service. But asking full device price to replace only broken screen is ransom. Also dubious attitude to customers, pretending to repair a device when in reality cold soldering is "fixed" with tucking a rubber pad under motherboard.

Eye roll. So you call a boudary pin device a Ball grid array. What nonsense are you talking. These chips are easy to solder onto the board. I can do that, I am a traing Electronics Engineer with speciality Irons.

Are you trying to tell me he can fix a Ball Grid Array Chip, Really. Why do you guys even comment on these forums, seriously why.... Look up what a "Ball Grid Array" is and then repeat after me " I will not talk nonsense on Tomshardare any more, Because I dont understand chip connectors!"

https://blog.matric.com/hs-fs/hubfs...png?width=600&name=ball grid array in PCB.png

I would love to see Louis Rossman Unsolder this connection type and put it back on... Lol you nut case!

Why Why Why!!! Why do you nuggets even bother posting when you have no knowledge about something... You watch a video and you think you know it all. The comment on BGA is not a mere power chip, its a 500+ pin CPU with Pins all under the Chip.

"Right to repair laws" are all over the comany product too. If you tamper with the case of a product and break a sticker, you also break policy and they have the right by law to turn you product away even under warantee. Good grief!

Your last point is the only valid point you made here. And this is why I said that I repair all my own stuff, Including simple chips like Rossman did. But BGAs... even Luois would smack your head for suggesting he could to this.

 

[Krotow]

Are you trying to tell me he can fix a Ball Grid Array Chip, Really. Why do you guys even comment on these forums, seriously why.... Look up what a "Ball Grid Array" is and then repeat after me " I will not talk nonsense on Tomshardare any more, Because I dont understand chip connectors!"

And you can't comprehend the diference between BGA chip replacing and repairing? Repair a chip - who would think about that?

 

[ginthegit]

And you can't comprehend the diference between BGA chip replacing and repairing? Repair a chip - who would think about that?

Are you being dull deliberately, I never said he could repair a chip. HE CANNOT REPLACE A SOLDERED ON BGA chip, it is simply not possible. He can do a surface mount or a through hole chip when all the pins are of a reasonable side, bit he is not going to get his soldering iron on the underside of a BGA. These has 500+ Balls to solder.

Please, Don't embarrase yourself any further!

 

[Krotow]

Are you being dull deliberately, I never said he could repair a chip. HE CANNOT REPLACE A SOLDERED ON BGA chip, it is simply not possible. He can do a surface mount or a through hole chip when all the pins are of a reasonable side, bit he is not going to get his soldering iron on the underside of a BGA. These has 500+ Balls to solder.

Did I correctly read this? Well. I will not answer any further, it does not make sense. But YouTube have different proof. A legion of that.

 

[ginthegit]

Did I correctly read this? Well. I will not answer any further, it does not make sense. But YouTube have different proof. A legion of that.

Oh please, Mr "I'm edicated online nut!"

Youtube has nothing like what you claim, I watched the video that you posted having a simple chip with boundary based pins. It showed your claim in a simple setting that I can also do. I actually do soldering of this type, but Find me ONE evidence of a person WITHOUT ROBOTIC HELP that can successfully solder a BGA chip with all pins of a 500+ pin BGA successfully!

Small BGAs are extermely difficult even with correct machinery, because Alignment by hand on some process that would involve Gas soldering (that would have to be quick to not damage the chip and burn the person, makes this quite impossible.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWLlkBD9DA


The Video above shows a person trying to solder a small chip using tricks, he gets it to stick but note what he says at the end " It looked good, but it doesnt work!". Simple reasons for this 1. the heat from the touch destroyed the chip 2. even with the tape alignment it still did not stick plush. 3. he proves you are talking absolute dung.

Please stop being arrogant and admit you have no clue what you are talking about!