From Scratch New Build - go x99 or Skylake?

[andyirish]

Hey all, I have been going back and forth in the CPU section, struggling with what is essentially a new build.

At this point, because exactly when the Skylake Enthusiast CPU's (by enthusiast I mean 6-8 core cpu's) is somewhat unknown... and the fact that I've heard rumors even of a 'Broadwell-e'(I'm new to Intel) set of motherboards and CPU's coming out...

Basically, I'm asking this question... my eye is on the 5820k with an X99 motherboard right now in a few weeks.... should I wait for a comparable CPU to the 5820k(the bigger brothers of the 5800 series ar eout of my price range but i want 6-8 cores for other purposes...)... or pull the trigger on it now and buy the 5820k now... i'm under the impression we won't see 6 core or 8 core Skylake CPU's for a year... but could the new skylake socket motherboards support something like a 5820k cpu or only Skylake CPU's? So time frame of about a year before a 6 or 8 core Skylake CPU, are there even going to be anby Broadwell-E cpu and motherboards that would be better then x99 anytime soon? I'm trying to avoid waiting 6 months to a year for something better then the x99 with a 5820k, cuz i'll be burned up if i buy it and 2 months later something come sout on a whole new motherboard technology that blows me away.... and I am anti 4-core... just to put it out there... 4-core is a no go for me...

 

[M0j0jojo]

What will you be doing that you need a 6 or 8 core processor?

 

[jimmysmitty]

Skylake is a new uArch using LGA 1151, current Haswell and Boradwell CPUs use LGA 1150. It will not support LGA 2011 V3 X99 chips. There are two tiers with Intel. There is mainstream (currently LGA 1150) and Enthusiasts/high end (X99/LGA 2011).

More than likely there will be a Broadwell-E if not SKylake-E wont come until probably next year and will be on a new socket as it is a new uArch. That is normally how Intel works. Ne uArch gets a new socket while die shrink uses the same socket/chipset as new uArch.

I would wait personally to see what Skylake itself offers as Skylake is a new uArch and the new uArch normally means better performance.

 

[andyirish]

My issue is that my old AMD Phenom ii x4 build fried dead(and took a 4GB stick of corsair memory of my 8 gig build, so I'm out of commission and instead of buying some new cheapo AMD board and memory to replace it, i'd rather put that money towards a new build sooner then later... cuz im left with nothing right now... do we really think the mainline Skylake CPU's(which are 4-core) could outperform a 5820k? Cuz even if Skylake comes out with an Enthusiast Class Chip a year from now, that would still require a whole new motherboard in a year too anyway, right?

 

[leeb2013]

My issue is that my old AMD Phenom ii x4 build fried dead(and took a 4GB stick of corsair memory of my 8 gig build, so I'm out of commission and instead of buying some new cheapo AMD board and memory to replace it, i'd rather put that money towards a new build sooner then later... cuz im left with nothing right now... do we really think the mainline Skylake CPU's(which are 4-core) could outperform a 5820k? Cuz even if Skylake comes out with an Enthusiast Class Chip a year from now, that would still require a whole new motherboard in a year too anyway, right?

So then you have to buy what's available now

 

[jimmysmitty]

I have seen top end mainstream beat entry level enthusiast so it is highly possible that Skylake has enough of a performance improvement to outperform current Haswell-E chips.

That said, if you are dead in the water right now then I would just pull the trigger. It is not like Skylake-E will be some massive game performance enhancer, that is what GPUs are for.

 

[andyirish]

... ALSO, with all this speculation of holding off for skylake, the issue of cpu cores not increasing vastly in favor of strong GPU's... maybe I could save some of my existing build and stay AMD for time being and wait out Skylake, you think? (I was thinking of starting new Intel build now and then getting a great video card down the line but... let me bounce this idea off people

My build up until now was as follows:

Case: Cooler Master Elite 430
Fans: Whole bunch of nice green glowy 140 mm Cougar Fans hooked to a fan controlller
CPU: AMD Phenom ii x4(OC'd to 3.9 with a stock cooler, no special heatisnk or cooler applied, could go further down line with a radiator)
Memory: 8 GB of DDR3-1600 RAM (Corsair Vengeance 2 x 4(one stick died, the slot died with it too on the mother board which is now dead.
MOBO: Biostar A780L3G(Dead, RIP)
PSU: Cooler Master 500w PSU
Video Card: Nvidia GTX 560ti (1GB edition)
ssd: sAMSUNG 840 eVO 128GB(Running windows 7 x64)
hdd: some 1 TB thing, forget brand

And all of the parts except the motherboard and memory are still solid and functional.

I'm toying with the idea of now just suping up my aging dinosaur and waiting out Skylake and trying again near the Holidays to see what's coming....

I'm tihnking of a rebuilt dinosaur that would include the AMD AM3+ AsRock 990FX Killer MOBO, 16 GB of DDR3-2400 Memory from Microcenter for 110, and this video card http://www.microcenter.com/product/431309/Radeon_R9_290_Double_Dissipation_4GB_DDR5_PCIe_30x16_Video_Card
and adding a new NZXT Phantom Case for $100

my budget was $650-700, i was gonna start a new build by going Intel with the new mobo and pick up a new CPU while I was at it.... if I add those parts to what I have now with the Phenom ii x4, would I be bottlenecked and would thta build work/last me for a year in gaming on 1 display?

 

[andyirish]

ON EDIT: NM That Case, I couild snag an 8350+AsRock Killer 990FX Bundle for $230 from Microcenter..... so just substitute all of that.

You guys know my build... what parts I have... what parts I'm considering... I don't have a functioning computer right now... I don't want to throw away money on a build I'd really only use for 6 months.... you know the parts I'm looking at... my price range is 2500 on a build over the next year.... I have a ceiling of $700 to start out with(per the wife).... what do I do?

 

[g-unit1111]

I would wait personally to see what Skylake itself offers as Skylake is a new uArch and the new uArch normally means better performance.

Yeah I agree, I would go for Z170 personally over LGA 2011, but it entirely depends on what the primary function of the PC is going to be. Gaming won't benefit any extra from going X99, instead I would focus on going with Z170. You will also get a lot of new benefits like USB Type C and dual Gigabit ethernet which X99 won't have.

 

[jimmysmitty]

ON EDIT: NM That Case, I couild snag an 8350+AsRock Killer 990FX Bundle for $230 from Microcenter..... so just substitute all of that.

You guys know my build... what parts I have... what parts I'm considering... I don't have a functioning computer right now... I don't want to throw away money on a build I'd really only use for 6 months.... you know the parts I'm looking at... my price range is 2500 on a build over the next year.... I have a ceiling of $700 to start out with(per the wife).... what do I do?

Ahhh the limitations of the wife. I know that well my friend.

I wouldn't drop any cash on a FX series CPU. They just are not worth it. Now a AMD Zen maybe but that is a year away.

If you drop into a i7 5820K you wont be disappointed and it will last quite a while. Intel has had a pretty big performance lead and even today a i2 2500K/i7 2600K are still viable CPUs in the world of gaming and other uses. In fact they are still better than top end AMD FX series CPUs.

 

[g-unit1111]

Ahhh the limitations of the wife. I know that well my friend.

I wouldn't drop any cash on a FX series CPU. They just are not worth it. Now a AMD Zen maybe but that is a year away.

I'm really worried about the state of AMD after the Fury announcement disaster - and NVIDIA topped them by releasing the 980TI at a far more affordable (sort of) price point. I'm only imagining that it's going to go downhill from there. I wouldn't put much stock into their future CPU releases if that holds up.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Ahhh the limitations of the wife. I know that well my friend.

I wouldn't drop any cash on a FX series CPU. They just are not worth it. Now a AMD Zen maybe but that is a year away.

I'm really worried about the state of AMD after the Fury announcement disaster - and NVIDIA topped them by releasing the 980TI at a far more affordable (sort of) price point. I'm only imagining that it's going to go downhill from there. I wouldn't put much stock into their future CPU releases if that holds up.

So far we only have rumors but if pricing is right and performance is right then yes it will be hard to believe that Zen will be anything decent.

 

[Karnivore]

What will you be doing that you need a 6 or 8 core processor?

Future proofing. I went from an i5-2400 to an i7-5820k and now i'm lag free with all my browser tabs and various other programs running in the background.

 

[Gerard Freeman]

I would wait personally to see what Skylake itself offers as Skylake is a new uArch and the new uArch normally means better performance.

Yeah I agree, I would go for Z170 personally over LGA 2011, but it entirely depends on what the primary function of the PC is going to be. Gaming won't benefit any extra from going X99, instead I would focus on going with Z170. You will also get a lot of new benefits like USB Type C and dual Gigabit ethernet which X99 won't have.

The MSI X99A GODLIKE board comes with USB Type C and dual Gigabit ethernet. Looks like a great board. But i think I will go for cheaper Z170.

 

[g-unit1111]

The MSI X99A GODLIKE board comes with USB Type C and dual Gigabit ethernet. Looks like a great board. But i think I will go for cheaper Z170.

Yeah I think that will be a much wiser investment.