Future CPU upgrade

[Lazar_99]

So, i'm kinda having a hard time making the decision on which CPU should i get. I wanted to get the i5-3570 but i find upgrading from a quad core to a quad core a waste of money so then i wanted to get the FX-8350 but after reading some stuff and finding out that it isn't as good as the 3570 i can't decide. Should i wait for Intel to release new processors and then get a new mobo and CPU or should i get the FX-8350?

 

[rds1220]

So, i'm kinda having a hard time making the decision on which CPU should i get. I wanted to get the i5-3570 but i find upgrading from a quad core to a quad core a waste of money so then i wanted to get the FX-8350 but after reading some stuff and finding out that it isn't as good as the 3570 i can't decide. Should i wait for Intel to release new processors and then get a new mobo and CPU or should i get the FX-8350?

Why is upgrading from a quad core to another quad core a waste? Becuase more cores is better....wrong. Cores and clock speeds don't mean much anymore, not it is all about the micro architecture. The Intel's micro architecture is faster and more effcient than AMD's allowing it to do more work per clock cycles. What this means is that an Intel I5 clocked at 3.4 GHz will beat out a higher clocked AMD 4.0 GHz ;Piledriver in single threaded programs like games. If all you are doing is playing games than I would go with the I5. As for wheather to get Ivy Bridges now or wait for Haswell that is up to you. Haswell is suppose to come out in June so if you can wait then wait if not get an Ivy Bridges I5.

 

[neon neophyte]

could always get a sandybridge-e. it has 6 cores.

amds "8 core" isnt a true 8 core. it has 4 modules, each with 2 cores inside. the 2 cores share a cache. truth is this "8 core" barely performs better than an intel 4 core in highly multithreaded optimized programs, and is utterly destoryed by a mere 6 core intel cpu.

 

[Lazar_99]

Why is upgrading from a quad core to another quad core a waste? Becuase more cores is better....wrong. Cores and clock speeds don't mean much anymore, not it is all about the micro architecture. The Intel's micro architecture is faster and more effcient than AMD's allowing it to do more work per clock cycles. What this means is that an Intel I5 clocked at 3.4 GHz will beat out a higher clocked AMD 4.0 GHz ;Piledriver in single threaded programs like games. If all you are doing is playing games than I would go with the I5. As for wheather to get Ivy Bridges now or wait for Haswell that is up to you. Haswell is suppose to come out in June so if you can wait then wait if not get an Ivy Bridges I5.

Well i'm curious about the new chips from intel so i'll wait and see how good they are. I don't know i've been using AMD processors since 2007 and now i want to go back to intel and i was kinda tempted to buy the i5-3570 due to its high performance and low power consumption but by the time i save up money for a new CPU and board, the new chips will be released from intel. But will an i5-3570 be a major upgrade from my phenom II X4 840?

 

[neon neophyte]

your processor is pretty good, might want to wait until haswell or ivybridge-e. ivybridge-e is going to have 6-12 cores

 

[Lazar_99]

could always get a sandybridge-e. it has 6 cores.

amds "8 core" isnt a true 8 core. it has 4 modules, each with 2 cores inside. the 2 cores share a cache. truth is this "8 core" barely performs better than an intel 4 core in highly multithreaded optimized programs, and is utterly destoryed by a mere 6 core intel cpu.

Yes i kinda figured that out after a little more digging on the internet

 

[gamingboy]

Most of the reviews and topics about the 8350 are from the launch. Things are a lot different now.

With all the hotfixes and newer drivers, the 8350 pretty much kicks 3570's ass in games (in most games they are neck and neck, but in some games the 8350 has a huge advantage).

Also, Ivy Bridges are on an already dying socket, so no point going that way.

This video has the benchmarks etc : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

 

[Lazar_99]

your processor is pretty good, might want to wait until haswell or ivybridge-e. ivybridge-e is going to have 6-12 cores

I will wait for new intel processors 😀 My current CPU doesn't even have a L3 cache 🙁

 

[Lazar_99]

Most of the reviews and topics about the 8350 are from the launch. Things are a lot different now.

With all the hotfixes and newer drivers, the 8350 pretty much kicks 3570's ass in games (in most games they are neck and neck, but in some games the 8350 has a huge advantage).

Also, Ivy Bridges are on an already dying socket, so no point going that way.

This video has the benchmarks etc : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

Yes, that is precisely why am i gonna wait for new intel processors. Their LGA1155 socket is gonna be replaced most likely and its gonna be better to sit and wait. But what always bothers me when i think about the 8350 is its HIGH power consumption and can run extremely hot. AMD can't make efficient chips so they focus on brute strength.

 

[bctande1]

rds1220 uncovered most of it, but there is a little more to it.

Firstly you would have to tell us exactly what your using your computer for, because that is often the dictator of which CPU would be the best choice. For gaming, the 3570k(I assume you mean "k") will do just as good of a job as the 8350, beating it out in a few titles where Core optimization tops out at two or four -- that is the biggest weakness of the 8350. The industry simply hasn't caught up to 8-core optimization, which is why single-threaded apps like games run much better on the 3570k. The FX-8350 is a bit ahead of it's time, if you will -- but the flip side of that is you will see better performance out of it as time goes on, to put it simply.

Productivity apps are a completely different story, however. The 8350 outpaces the 3770k in some benchmarks because productivity apps often make use of every core you throw at them. In that respect, the FX-8350 would be your best bet.

Also, the FX 8350 has a better upgrade path with Steamroller on AM3+ than the 3570k does with the 3770k. LGA 1155 "dies" after Ivy Bridge because Haswell will start up the new socket LGA 1150* -- so going Ivy Bridge would mean having to buy a new MOBO if you wanted to upgrade to Haswell anytime in the future, whearas your future Steamroller AMD processor would work fine with the current AM3+ socket being used by the FX-8350.

In terms of power consumption, people cry left and right that the FX-8350 drains power.. it does, but it's not that big of a deal because most PSUs have ample room to accommodate and the whole "electric bill" thing is a myth.. its like 20 cents more per year.(if you're in America).

Plus, the FX-8350, with a default 4GHz Base Clock, OCs MUCH better than Ivy. 5GHz overclocks with good cooling solutions are not uncommon.

Did I answer everything?

 

[neon neophyte]

its funny how all the amd lovers keep posting that ONE video.

meanwhile, dozens of enthusiast sites benchmarks tell a very different story.

that video even gets itself wrong, saying the fps is one thing while showing a completely different fps. its such a joke.

 

[gamingboy]

rds1220 uncovered most of it, but there is a little more to it.

Firstly you would have to tell us exactly what your using your computer for, because that is often the dictator of which CPU would be the best choice. For gaming, the 3570k(I assume you mean "k") will do just as good of a job as the 8350, beating it out in a few titles where Core optimization tops out at two or four -- that is the biggest weakness of the 8350. The industry simply hasn't caught up to 8-core optimization, which is why single-threaded apps like games run much better on the 3570k. The FX-8350 is a bit ahead of it's time, if you will -- but the flip side of that is you will see better performance out of it as time goes on, to put it simply.

Productivity apps are a completely different story, however. The 8350 outpaces the 3770k in some benchmarks because productivity apps often make use of every core you throw at them. In that respect, the FX-8350 would be your best bet.

Also, the FX 8350 has a better upgrade path with Steamroller on AM3+ than the 3570k does with the 3770k. LGA 1155 "dies" after Ivy Bridge because Haswell will start up the new socket LGA 1150* -- so going Ivy Bridge would mean having to buy a new MOBO if you wanted to upgrade to Haswell anytime in the future, whearas your future Steamroller AMD processor would work fine with the current AM3+ socket being used by the FX-8350.

In terms of power consumption, people cry left and right that the FX-8350 drains power.. it does, but it's not that big of a deal because most PSUs have ample room to accommodate and the whole "electric bill" thing is a myth.. its like 20 cents more per year.(if you're in America).

Plus, the FX-8350, with a default 4GHz Base Clock, OCs MUCH better than Ivy. 5GHz overclocks with good cooling solutions are not uncommon.

Did I answer everything?

Yes, you hit the nail on the head, good sir. 😀

 

[DarkSable]

But will an i5-3570 be a major upgrade from my phenom II X4 840?

It would be HUGE. Save now and buy one of the new Haswell chips when they come out. I went from a Phenom II x4 965 to an i5-3570k and was blown away. (One of the biggest differences besides the fact that my computer was twice as fast was that, running an AMD chip, overclocked, the computer could heat the whole house in winter... now it could practically be a fridge, and that's still pushing the chip a ridiculous amount.)

 

[gamingboy]

its funny how all the amd lovers keep posting that ONE video.

meanwhile, dozens of enthusiast sites benchmarks tell a very different story.

that video even gets itself wrong, saying the fps is one thing while showing a completely different fps. its such a joke.

AMD lovers? I'm being completely honest here, I have a Intel CPU and I am not a fanboy in any shape or form. It's just common sense to recommend something that is better. If an Intel CPU was clearly the better choice, then of course I would recommend that. But it just isn't right now.

 

[Lazar_99]

It would be HUGE. Save now and buy one of the new Haswell chips when they come out. I went from a Phenom II x4 965 to an i5-3570k and was blown away. (One of the biggest differences besides the fact that my computer was twice as fast was that, running an AMD chip, overclocked, the computer could heat the whole house in winter... now it could practically be a fridge, and that's still pushing the chip a ridiculous amount.)

Yeah i got my R6850 to keep me warm all winter and if i need more heat, i just OC the CPU and i save my electrical bill by doing so 😀

 

[Lazar_99]

AMD lovers? I'm being completely honest here, I have a Intel CPU and I am not a fanboy in any shape or form. It's just common sense to recommend something that is better. If an Intel CPU was clearly the better choice, then of course I would recommend that. But it just isn't right now.

If the 1155 socket is soon to be replaced, then it definitely isn't a good choice. I guess that is the reason why the prices of ivy bridge CPU's has dropped a little bit

 

[bctande1]

I wouldn't say that it's "definitely not a good choice"

The 3770k is the best sub 300~ CPU you can buy at the moment, and Haswell isn't slated to release until about June of this year. But, Intel is looking to roll out Haswell mobile chips first(correct me if I'm wrong), as Intel is trying to capture the mobile market with Haswell(and Atom). SO with that in mind, we really won't see a chip that is drastically better until about 4-5 months from now, if Haswell IS drastically better. Also, Steamroller isn't slated to arrive till next year, so that's a bit out of the picture. I'd say LGA 1155 in sitting in a comfort window that lasts a few months until Haswell desktop chips roll out, initiating the Intel "tock". However, the last Intel "Tock" was Sandy Bridge, and that was a ginormous improvement. Will Haswell be the same? It's hard to tell now, but Intel has obviously placed a big empahsis on lowering power consumption, putting very little attention into better gaming performance. Clocks will probably be raised cause of the higher thermal ceiling, but we'll have to wait and see.

My main point: The 3570k gives you an upgrade path of a 3770k which won't be truly obsolete until Haswell i7s come out -- and even then unless your crazy about having the absolute best then you shouldn't be bothered by an i7 Haswell outperforming your i7 Ivy.

 

[rds1220]

Well i'm curious about the new chips from intel so i'll wait and see how good they are. I don't know i've been using AMD processors since 2007 and now i want to go back to intel and i was kinda tempted to buy the i5-3570 due to its high performance and low power consumption but by the time i save up money for a new CPU and board, the new chips will be released from intel. But will an i5-3570 be a major upgrade from my phenom II X4 840?

Everything right now is covered by by a NDA which means we won't see any benchmarks on how good it actually is until it is relased. It is estimated though that the CPU core power will be about 10% faster than Ivy Bridges and I think the integrated graphics of Haswell will be about 15% better than Ivy Briges. The IB I5 will be a slight upgrade the Haswell I5 would be a bigger step up.

 

[Lazar_99]

Everything right now is covered by by a NDA which means we won't see any benchmarks on how good it actually is until it is relased. It is estimated though that the CPU core power will be about 10% faster than Ivy Bridges and I think the integrated graphics of Haswell will be about 15% better than Ivy Briges. The IB I5 will be a slight upgrade the Haswell I5 would be a bigger step up.

Or maybe i should upgrade my GPU first and wait untill the phenom II X4 840 has a hard time running the game at a playable frame rate.

 

[rds1220]

That is up to you. If it were me I would just wait until Haswell is released.

 

[Lazar_99]

That is up to you. If it were me I would just wait until Haswell is released.

But i still don't see a reason why would anyone OC an i5 if it can bash any game out there on max settings

 

[neon neophyte]

you are in a hardware enthusiast forum and dont understand why anyone would overclock their cpu? ha.

i do it because i want the best i can get for an affordable price. if its capable of doing more, why wouldnt i push it.

additionally, i have had my cpu running at 100 percent on occasion. even at 5ghz.

 

[Lazar_99]

you are in a hardware enthusiast forum and dont understand why anyone would overclock their cpu? ha.

i do it because i want the best i can get for an affordable price. if its capable of doing more, why wouldnt i push it.

additionally, i have had my cpu running at 100 percent on occasion. even at 5ghz.

For example: so that it consumes less power 😀 Though if you have to OC it and you say you run it OCed at 100% usage and it looks like you have money for it then why not get the i7-3770 or in sandy bridge case, the 2600k or 2700k 😀

 

[neon neophyte]

because the only advantage of those cpus over the i5 equivilent is hyperthreading, and i dont use hyperthreading.

i transcode with quicksync and hyperthreading would have no other advantages for me. saving 100 bucks there and pushing my i5 to its limits works out much better

edit: and electricity is cheap and plentiful where i live anyway. not to mention even overclocked, it is still much more power efficient than amds offerings.

i got my cpu 2 years ago for 180 dollars. i prefer sandybridge over ivybridge btw. i think it is a better cpu.

fact is, my overclocked cpu bests anything you listed, by a lot, in everything i use it for. i did my homework.

 

[Lazar_99]

because the only advantage of those cpus over the i5 equivilent is hyperthreading, and i dont use hyperthreading.

i transcode with quicksync and hyperthreading would have no other advantages for me. saving 100 bucks there and pushing my i5 to its limits works out much better

edit: and electricity is cheap and plentiful where i live anyway. not to mention even overclocked, it is still much more power efficient than amds offerings.

i got my cpu 2 years ago for 180 dollars. i prefer sandybridge over ivybridge btw. i think it is a better cpu.

fact is, my overclocked cpu bests anything you listed, by a lot, in everything i use it for. i did my homework.

Ok, i was just asking 😀