Future Haswell CPUs -- LGA1150?

[regnaD kciN]

Does anyone know if the upcoming 8-core Haswell CPUs will be LGA1150, so that they can be drop-in upgrades on a current Haswell build, or are they likely to have a different socket or other incompatible requirements?

 

[rolli59]

LGA 2011-3 http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/17/intel-leak-haswell-e-2014/
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-core-i7-ivy-bridge-e-core-i3-haswell-lineup-detailed/37832.html/3

 

[Novuake]

Haswell-E will be 8 Cores according to rumour, these will be socket 2011, not 1150.

If you want a gaming CPU, anything more than a 8350/4670K is more than sufficient for the time being and the near future.

 

[blade of grass]

Although there isn't any information, it can be assumed that the next generation of consumer processors (core series), will be using the same LGA 1150 socket.
The difference is that Haswell-E would be an enthusiast grade processor, and would most likely use LGA 2011 or a new socket if Intel decides to change it.

 

[jaguarskx]

Although there isn't any information, it can be assumed that the next generation of consumer processors (core series), will be using the same LGA 1150 socket.
The difference is that Haswell-E would be an enthusiast grade processor, and would most likely use LGA 2011 or a new socket if Intel decides to change it.

Broadwell is the refresh of Haswell and the socket 1150 versions are expected to be released in either Q3 or Q4 2014. The BGA versions (soldered into the motherboard) are expected in Q1 2014.

Skylake is expected in 2015 and will be a new socket.

 

[blade of grass]

Although there isn't any information, it can be assumed that the next generation of consumer processors (core series), will be using the same LGA 1150 socket.
The difference is that Haswell-E would be an enthusiast grade processor, and would most likely use LGA 2011 or a new socket if Intel decides to change it.

Broadwell is the refresh of Haswell and the socket 1150 versions are expected to be released in either Q3 or Q4 2014. The BGA versions (soldered into the motherboard) are expected in Q1 2014.

Skylake is expected in 2015 and will be a new socket.

Is there a reason you quoted me? (not being rude, I'm actually wondering, lol)

 

[jaguarskx]

Just to provide further clarity.

The next generation socket 1150 Core i5/i7 CPUs will be Broadwell and is expected to be released in 2nd half of 2014. Also to add that Skylake will be the next Intel CPU after Broadwell and that will be a totally different socket. I'll also add that they will be using DDR4 RAM. Skymont is to be released in 2016.

Broadwell will more or less be a die shrink of Haswell; from 22nm to 14nm. Not much is expected in terms of overall performance increase. Similar to how Intel never really talked about the increase in CPU performance from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. Therefore, Broadwell may be another 6% increase in performance. The main goal of the die shrink to is to reduce power consumption most notably for the higher end tablet sector. Intel's Bay Trail is meant for the general tablet sector. Additionally Intel is working on a software translation layer that allows Bay Trail to use Android OS natively (not in a Windows environment) and Windows 8.1. Not sure if that would be ported over to tablets using Broadwell. Speculations on integrated GPU is that the next generation Intel HD graphic core generation could be between 30% to 40% better than Haswell generation graphic cores.

Skymont will be a die shrink of Skylake from 14nm to 10nm. Again, reduced power consumption and probably better iGPU performance, but only a minor increase in CPU performance from Skylake.

 

[regnaD kciN]

So, at this point, it's still unclear exactly which socket Haswell-E will use (although the majority of the speculation points to LGA2011). However, it's not so certain that I could simply do a LGA2011 build with a current CPU and feel confident that I could simply drop a Haswell-E in when they become available? However, it IS clear that I couldn't do a new build with the current Haswell and LGA1150 and expect to upgrade to Haswell-E without a full mainboard swap?

 

[jaguarskx]

From a gaming perspective, I think building a PC around Haswell-E is a waste of money. In general, inexpensive socket 2011 motherboards are almost as expensive as high end socket 1150 motherboards; I think the price range is about $240 - $400+. To me it is not worth going with Haswell-E unless you are going to get a six core CPU i7-4930k for around $580 - $600; the least expensive one. Additionally Haswell-E will need DDR4 RAM which will likely cost more than DDR3 RAM because it will not be as widely available as DDR3 RAM. I would say DDR4 would have at least a 50% premium over DDR3 RAM.

Going with Haswell-E means around a $900 - $1,000 investment. I'd rather build a gaming rig around an i5-4670k, then in 2015 / early 2016 upgrade the motherboard and RAM for a Skylake generation CPU. Lastly, pour gasoline on the i5-4670k, the mobo, and the DDR3 RAM and light it on fire. I will actually save money and more than likely get better gaming performance going this route than compare to going with Haswell-E.

 

[jaguarskx]

BTW, I am 125% confident that Haswell-E will not be socket 1150.

... did I mention it will use DDR4 RAM?

 

[regnaD kciN]

From a gaming perspective, I think building a PC around Haswell-E is a waste of money. In general, inexpensive socket 2011 motherboards are almost as expensive as high end socket 1150 motherboards; I think the price range is about $240 - $400+. To me it is not worth going with Haswell-E unless you are going to get a six core CPU i7-4930k for around $580 - $600; the least expensive one. Additionally Haswell-E will need DDR4 RAM which will likely cost more than DDR3 RAM because it will not be as widely available as DDR3 RAM. I would say DDR4 would have at least a 50% premium over DDR3 RAM.

Going with Haswell-E means around a $900 - $1,000 investment. I'd rather build a gaming rig around an i5-4670k, then in 2015 / early 2016 upgrade the motherboard and RAM for a Skylake generation CPU. Lastly, pour gasoline on the i5-4670k, the mobo, and the DDR3 RAM and light it on fire. I will actually save money and more than likely get better gaming performance going this route than compare to going with Haswell-E.

FWIW, this isn't for a purely-gaming build -- in fact, my main gaming activity would be flight simulation (both MSFSX and any new sims being developed). The main uses would be photo and film work using Lightroom, CS, and Vegas. However, those plus flight-summing seem to require pretty top-end hardware. I haven't done a desktop build in many years -- mine is so antiquated, I'm getting better results with my laptop -- and, at this point. I have available funds I can't count on having every year, so this build needs to be as future-proof as possible. If worst comes to worst, I can probably limp along with my current desktop for a few more months, but would have liked to put together something that could be upgraded to Haswell-E later…although it doesn't sound very possible from what I'm reading here.

 

[CTurbo]

BTW, I am 125% confident that Haswell-E will not be socket 1150.

... did I mention it will use DDR4 RAM?

I guarantee you Haswell-E will not be socket 1150.

I'm 99% confident that Haswell-E will be DDR4 capable, but I'm 75% sure that it won't be required.

 

[rolli59]

The Title for the first link I posted!

"Intel 2014 Haswell-E to pack 8 cores, DDR4, X99 PCH and more" Socket is variation of the 2011 or 2011-3 probably because of the DDR4 ram support.

 

[Big Boss94]

What I'm wondering regarding the Haswell-E cpu and LGA 2011-3 chpiset, when time comes for a broadwell-e refresh, will it also use the LGA 2011-3 board? Similar to how the lga 2011 socket accomadated both Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge-E, as I've heard the broadwell will introduce a new '9-Series' chipset.

 

[rolli59]

It is not unlikely! Then again all depends if any new features that they will have to incorporate in the pin layout in the socket.

 

[Big Boss94]

It is not unlikely! Then again all depends if any new features that they will have to incorporate in the pin layout in the socket.

Yeah, its definitely worth looking out for, I'm contemplating my first build, and was gonna go with a 4770k 1150 socket build, but if I can sort a haswell-e chip on the upcoming lga 2011-3 board, and know that I can slap a broadwell-e in next year or so, I think I'll bide my time and then take that route. Just hoping the 'series 9' boards doesn't ruin this theory. Cheers for the reply anyway buddy, only registered to this forum today.

 

[pikunsia]

The only reason I justify 6-8 cores LGA 1150 is due a few specific multi-processor programs. In my particular case I'm an amateur chess player and my i7-4790k is not sufficiently efficient to run my powerful 64 bits chess programs. So I agree we will never see those processors.