Future proof CPU

[MrAnagaM]

Hey so I'm building a new system, super future proof
But I'm still debating on the best cpu for the coming years and now
I got a GTX 1080 Ti SLI/H100i AIO/ 850W Corsair/32GB DDR4/3TB WD PURPLE/ 250GB SSD
And the processors I'm looking at are the
Intel's i7 8700k and Ryzen 7 2700x
I have a 4k 144hz monitor so fps are factor in my build
But it seems Ryzen does amazing when it comes to multitasking but on single core tasks intel takes the lead.
Any suggestion for the best processor?

PD: I use the PC for 4k gaming and programming/graphic design

 

[bignastyid]

The future proof cpu has yet to be released.

 

[terry4536]

The relative cost of Intel processors is a bit more than for a similar Ryzen processor. But aside from that the Intel is the better way to go in my opinion. AMD is still working out the bugs of there Ryzen processors. I would get the I7-8700K, or wait for the next Intel processors to be released.

 

[wozotife]

if you want futureproof and money is no object go for Threadripper

then again it'd be better value to go with 2700(x) now, which at 8/16 is bit more 'futureproof' than 6/12 8700(k) imho

and get an upgrade in 4-5 years

 

[King_V]

...AMD is still working out the bugs of there Ryzen processors.

ummm... what?

 

[terry4536]

...AMD is still working out the bugs of there Ryzen processors.

ummm... what?

Do a Google search for "Ryzen stuck" for example. Take a look at the frequency of BIOS and motherboard drivers for stability problems. It is still a relatively new line processors, and yes it still has bugs to work out. And they will get there, the second generation is better than the first.

 

[terry4536]

...AMD is still working out the bugs of there Ryzen processors.

ummm... what?

For another example, check out AMD Article Number: PA-100. When first released the second generation Ryzen processors were not compatible the current motherboard BIOS. The motherboards would not boot up with the new processors. There was the need for the AMD "boot kit" described below to recover use of the motherboards.

And there have many BIOS updates since then.


https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/2Gen-Ryzen-AM4-System-Bootup.aspx

 

[jsmithepa]

U can futureproof all you want, only to be dwarfed by the next software releases which will render your current hardware obsolete before u can say uncle.

 

[Karadjgne]

And when Intel goes from lga1155 Sandy-Bridge to Ivy-Bridge, or lga1150 Haswell to Devils Canyon, or lga1151 Skylake to Kabylake, fitting a new cpu on a prior release mobo also required a bios update at first, and Intel wasn't forthcoming with an 'Intel boot kit' either. So yes, it's perfectly normal for a Ryzen2 to need a bios update on any 300 series mobo built before the release of the new bios's. As of that new bios release, any older mobo version produced since, do not need a bios update, the new bios is already written by the factory, meaning a Ryzen 2700x will now work on a brand new A320 or B350 or X370.

 

[terry4536]

And when Intel goes from lga1155 Sandy-Bridge to Ivy-Bridge, or lga1150 Haswell to Devils Canyon, or lga1151 Skylake to Kabylake, fitting a new cpu on a prior release mobo also required a bios update at first, and Intel wasn't forthcoming with an 'Intel boot kit' either. So yes, it's perfectly normal for a Ryzen2 to need a bios update on any 300 series mobo built before the release of the new bios's. As of that new bios release, any older mobo version produced since, do not need a bios update, the new bios is already written by the factory, meaning a Ryzen 2700x will now work on a brand new A320 or B350 or X370.

But that is my point, there are still things to be worked out on a relatively new line of processors. Nothing more than that.

The thread is about a future proof CPU. If a processor requires nearly a dozen BIOS and driver updates for stability since the release this year, how is that future proof.

And whichever processor will be outdated with the release of the next processor generation.

 

[clarkjd]

the point is, that there is no such thing as "future proof" without some scale as to what the word "future" means!

 

[Karadjgne]

Exactly. Just for my Z77 mobo's there's 5-6 bios updates, that abruptly stop in October of 2013. At least amd has said it's going to continue full support of AM4 platform until at least 2020, something Intel hasn't matched. Intels every 2-3 year platform change is getting old, even kabylake is now obsolete and it was replaced in October 2017 by CoffeeLake, totally different in almost every way with ddr4 etc. So 'future proof'? Right now that's not Intel, it's Amd who has at least some possibility of open ended upgrades until 2020, and might not stop there if am3+ lifespan is any inclination.

But that's just physical hardware. Reality is somewhat different. My old 3rd Gen Ivy-Bridge i7 does just fine for 1080p, might not get huge fps, but with a 60Hz monitor, it doesn't need to. 6yrs old and even an i7-8700k does no different, not unless you are chasing synthetic benchmarks and fps, realistically unnecessary. Doesn't matter if a cpu is capable of 150fps or 300fps if all you get on the screen is 60.

Future proof is a concept where all you can ask is what's decent now and what stands a good chance of still being somewhat decent tomorrow.

 

[MrAnagaM]

Ok future proof might be a term to wide to be explained or even tangible
Question, if I wanna keep 4k/ more than 60fps for at least 2 years from now.
Which processow would you consider could keep up?
I have an acer predator x27 which is 4k with 144hz refresh rate

 

[terry4536]

Exactly. Just for my Z77 mobo's there's 5-6 bios updates, that abruptly stop in October of 2013. At least amd has said it's going to continue full support of AM4 platform until at least 2020, something Intel hasn't matched. Intels every 2-3 year platform change is getting old, even kabylake is now obsolete and it was replaced in October 2017 by CoffeeLake, totally different in almost every way with ddr4 etc. So 'future proof'? Right now that's not Intel, it's Amd who has at least some possibility of open ended upgrades until 2020, and might not stop there if am3+ lifespan is any inclination.

But that's just physical hardware. Reality is somewhat different. My old 3rd Gen Ivy-Bridge i7 does just fine for 1080p, might not get huge fps, but with a 60Hz monitor, it doesn't need to. 6yrs old and even an i7-8700k does no different, not unless you are chasing synthetic benchmarks and fps, realistically unnecessary. Doesn't matter if a cpu is capable of 150fps or 300fps if all you get on the screen is 60.

Future proof is a concept where all you can ask is what's decent now and what stands a good chance of still being somewhat decent tomorrow.

Ok future proof might be a term to wide to be explained or even tangible
Question, if I wanna keep 4k/ more than 60fps for at least 2 years from now.
Which processow would you consider could keep up?
I have an acer predator x27 which is 4k with 144hz refresh rate

The processor is less important than the graphics card in that scenario. I would suggest backing up a bit from the bleeding edge of CPU's and admit to your self that is will be outdated soon. Shoot for a I5-8600K or R5-2600x and put the rest towards the graphics card budget.

 

[clarkjd]

Ok future proof might be a term to wide to be explained or even tangible
Question, if I wanna keep 4k/ more than 60fps for at least 2 years from now.
Which processow would you consider could keep up?
I have an acer predator x27 which is 4k with 144hz refresh rate

That is almost as open-ended, as no one knows what kind of horsepower future software may require to meet those criteria. If all you are going to run is current software, then the future becomes static and won't require any upgrades.

 

[MrAnagaM]

Exactly. Just for my Z77 mobo's there's 5-6 bios updates, that abruptly stop in October of 2013. At least amd has said it's going to continue full support of AM4 platform until at least 2020, something Intel hasn't matched. Intels every 2-3 year platform change is getting old, even kabylake is now obsolete and it was replaced in October 2017 by CoffeeLake, totally different in almost every way with ddr4 etc. So 'future proof'? Right now that's not Intel, it's Amd who has at least some possibility of open ended upgrades until 2020, and might not stop there if am3+ lifespan is any inclination.

But that's just physical hardware. Reality is somewhat different. My old 3rd Gen Ivy-Bridge i7 does just fine for 1080p, might not get huge fps, but with a 60Hz monitor, it doesn't need to. 6yrs old and even an i7-8700k does no different, not unless you are chasing synthetic benchmarks and fps, realistically unnecessary. Doesn't matter if a cpu is capable of 150fps or 300fps if all you get on the screen is 60.

Future proof is a concept where all you can ask is what's decent now and what stands a good chance of still being somewhat decent tomorrow.

Ok future proof might be a term to wide to be explained or even tangible
Question, if I wanna keep 4k/ more than 60fps for at least 2 years from now.
Which processow would you consider could keep up?
I have an acer predator x27 which is 4k with 144hz refresh rate

The processor is less important than the graphics card in that scenario. I would suggest backing up a bit from the bleeding edge of CPU's and admit to your self that is will be outdated soon. Shoot for a I5-8600K or R5-2600x and put the rest towards the graphics card budget.

Also for the decision between going ryzen or intel is that in case i need to upgrade CPU in the future i can avoid having to change MOBO
I'm aware intel changed mobo for i7 and again for i9, should we expect another gen of intel with different chipset?
Which would be the recommended to avoid MOBO upgrade?

EDIT:
Just found this https://hothardware.com/news/amd-confirms-am4-socket-support-future-ryzen-processors-2020
Do you have any info on INTEL doing the same thing?
Sooner or later some ryzen processor will outbest i7 8700k without the need of different socket/chipset

 

[terry4536]

There is this.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9000-series-cpu-faq,37743.html

 

[terry4536]

And this.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-9900k-price-amazon,37871.html

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3295005/computers/gigabyte-intel-9000-series-cpus-motherboards.html

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-i9-release-date-specs-performance

 

[terry4536]

Apparently the 9000 series processors will be on 300 series Z370 motherboards. Apparently there is a Z390 chipset coming soon and that it will be backwards compatible to the Z370.

 

[Karadjgne]

As long as you get a bios upgrade lol. It's a must have or the bios won't recognise the new gen cpu. Not in its list of accepted cpus.

 

[King_V]

I don't think there's any serious issue with AMD that would make it more problematic than Intel. Saying so is misleading.

Intel generally required new motherboards, and those few times they didn't, they also required the same sort of BIOS upgrade that AMD required.

 

[Karadjgne]

Exactly. Negating any real sort of future proofing.

As to Op, forget games requirements, either the i7 or r7 will be good, not really much different overall. Which leaves your graphic design. The cpu of choice is actually on you, no matter what opinions are floated, simply because only you know exactly (or can look up) what works best. Autocad for instance works better on Intel and nvidia, compiling using stuff like winzip works far faster on Ryzens, the older R7 1700 doing the job in half the time of an i7-8700k. Sony Vegas has really good support for amd gpus, has been lacking much from nvidia since the 500 series.

So, the best answer will be whatever your graphical design programs use the best, will be the cpu that's best for you.