FX 5800 or Radeon 9700 pro?

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Hi, I think i´m gonna replace my gf4 mx and i wounder what would be the best buy FX 5800 or Radeon 9700 pro ???
 

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Radeon 9700 Pro

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Get the Radeon 9700pro you wanna know why read this....

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The 9700 Pro - check the benchmarks on all the large web sites - the ATI card is hands down faster and better than the FX 5800. The FX 5800 Ultra is close, and at times marginally faster, but considerably harder to find, much more unstable, and sounds like a jet engine. I'd still suggest a Radeon 9700 Pro over a GeForce FX 5800 or FX 5800 Ultra. Good luck!

PS - I've had nothing but trouble with the GeForce 4 MX cards... hows yours been working?
 

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GET THE Radeon 9700 pro (can't believe these words are coming out of a old nVidia fanboy) the dustblower is scary (throws a dustblower at Bosse) see??

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personally , without ATI fanboyness, i would get a 9700pro over a 5900ultra because of the price


you can pick up a 9700pro for half of the 5900ultra, and its 90-110% comparable in performance, depending on what games you play.

that savings of 250$ could be put towards more ram/hdd/mobo/cpu or bank it for the next generation of cards that will come out sooner than we want

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PS - I've had nothing but trouble with the GeForce 4 MX cards... hows yours been working?
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hmm didnt see that line before. Well my Asus GF 4 MX has worked just fine, only problem is its to slow even with high OC, so its time to replace it.

wait

Now i know something that was wrong and not just with my gf4 mx but with my brothers gf4 ti4200 too. With Nvidia drivers >30.82 you cant watch movie on TV, u can see the desktop and games even the mediaplayer but not the field where the movie is supposed to be (its blank)

Why is that ???

HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ???

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Bosse on 07/13/03 03:49 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

dhlucke

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I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly, but you're saying that you can output the screen to a TV but you won't see a movie? Will you hear sound? Will the movie play on the monitor (to eliminate codec problems)? Are you using the cable that came with the card? I've had problems, although I got NO output to the screen, by using a different cable from another card. Finally, have you tried different media players? Are you using beta drivers? Just 30.82 and 41.09 don't work?

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Its called copyright protection, and has nothing to do with hardware. The video industry are scared if people can play DVDs on their comps then output the video through a cable, then they could easily record this video onto cassette and sell it etc. By blanking out the screen youd only be recording blank.

This is rather annoying but you can still watch on your monitor. I personally dont see the point as you can easily connect a standalone DVD player to a VCR and then record, theirs no copyright protection there.

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hmm but why does it work on my gf 3 ti 200 then ?

gf 3 ti 200 works with all nvida drivers

gf 4 mx 440 and gf 4 ti 4200 both Asus doesnt work with drivers 30.82 and above.

Copyright only works on "new" cards then ? ? ?
 

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Oh yes, that's a very common problem with many nVidia cards, and it's dependant on the manufacturer's choice in TV-Output chips. It's such a well-known issue that Digital Digest has a page dedicated to the problem <A HREF="http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/nvidia/" target="_new">HERE</A>

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Have you ever tried hooking a DVD player through a VCR? Modern VCR's are REQUIRED BY LAW to corrupt a Macrovision encoded signal. I have a TV-VCR combo in my bedroom that shows scrolling darkscreen/lightscreen segments when a DVD player is connected, and so did my neighbor's (note: most TV-VCR combos don't have a way to bypass an input signal past the VCR). Of course newer VCR's could have smart corruption that is only enabled on the recorded video...

At any rate, I gave him a <A HREF="http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/nvidia/" target="_new">LINK</A> that might lead to a solution.

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I dont think the 5800 is something to be considered.
Personally I am looking into a FX 5600 Ultra, if you check the latest buyers guide posted here on toms you will see it performing about on par with a 9700 pro at $200.
I havent done much searching but I have yet also to find one with those speeds, at that price but in a short time I'd expect them to be available, possibly.

I'm going to wait a bit and see myself, the Ultra Shadow technology is a huge benefit to Doom 3 performance for the nvidia cards and it overall is a more forward looking chip.

I also have a GF4 MX 440 and I find its performance admirable, it should run you for a while longer if you do chose to wait.

If you can't wait (never hurts, prices only drop), I would get the 9700 non-pro.

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What?

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Hey I have had the exact same problem and I fixed it simply setting the TV as the primary display and the monitor as secondary, this way the video will be played back on your TV and you will not see the video on the monitor
 

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If I am not mistaken, the Ultra Shadown marketting crap is only a feature that was already well implemented on ATi's R300s. Or it was added on the R350, under the name of F-Cache or some other feature.

A respect user here, Davepermen, who has been in the programming industry for ATi and nVidia, may tell you more on this. I recall he said this "new" feature was not that significant, if not just marketting an old feature.

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Read the link, that doesn't work for most cards experiencing the problem.

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<A HREF="http://nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=feature_ultrashadow" target="_new">Ultra Shadow information</A>
Some claim its why the Nvidias whoop so much on ATI in doom3.

Its not exactly on par, but its close enough in my book to rule as 'the same'. Especially when you consider in future games the Nvidia has a much better chance of pulling ahead rather than the current ATI chips.
Theres a 10fps difference in the highest resolution on <A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-14.html" target="_new">this page</A>. And in someof the other benchies, up to a 20fps difference (in the radeons favor).

I found it a pretty admirable card, if I could find one for $200, its about like a 9700 pro and is more "future proof". Especially with Doom 3 coming up, I want to have nvidia.

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I thought it was some advanced shadow prediction feature. Kind of like tile based rendering but for shadows? (where it doesnt render the shadows that arent onscreen)

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