fx5200..better than I thought..

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I thought that fx5200, Ultra or no ultra are crappy cards..
but looks like they are not bad from THG's VGA buyer guide..it can beat both Radeon8500 or 9000
it is just 8500 and 9000 are too old? or fx5200 are better than I thought?
or when we say they are crappy, yes they are, But only comparing to cards like fx5600, Radeon9500..etc etc..
 

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Well, the Ultra did turn out to be better than I thought, beating the 9000/9200 most of the time. However Toms latest benchies are a bit sketchy to say the least.

I seriously doubt the 5200 would beat an 8500 in real-world gaming situations.

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teh Ultar version does compete with the TI4200 , especially when using AF. because the GF4TI gets a substantial performance hit when using anything more than 4xAF


i dont think ive ever told people that the Ultra versoin sucked. teh non ultra sure... but it all depends on the price. thats what makes it a good card or not. if its the same price as teh TI4200, then wow, great deal

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I seriously doubt the 5200 would beat an 8500 in real-world gaming situations.
but tom's review was all based on Real World gaming such as UT2003, and it beats 8500..sure I'm same as you, I wonder if it's true or not..
i dont think ive ever told people that the Ultra versoin sucked.
so 5200Ultra is actually a good card? or maybe we can say it's not bad at all? since even my Radeon8500 can still handle all current games exist..I guess 5200 would do it as well, or even faster? and yeah..it's all about price, if i got money, we would all go for Radeon9800 or fx5900..
 

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Bah, old school vid cards still run games fine. My quadro dcc eats Midnight Club 2 for breakfast @ 1024x768 and max detail and all on that game (ooo, raytracing). Buying a new uber card every 4-6 months is for people who are trying to compensate for something (*cough* ePenis *cough*). IMO, buy a top of the line card when brand new tech comes out, and forget about it for 2 years cause it will run everything fine in that time.

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I think the only thing that many think sux about it is the idea of DX9.

For the most part it's an ok 'value' part. The issue is really, what's the price, and usually when put up against a GF4ti it would usually be bested, except of fourse with AA/AF in a few cases.

However it has to be the Ultra as the non-ultra really is under performing losing to the old MXs in many cases.


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yes, losing to GF4MX's really hurts!

haha!!

ouch, that really sucks

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I think what you have to remember is that when the 5200 ULTRA came out, it costed as much as a 9500 PRO.

And the 5200 non-ultra costed as much as a Ti4200.

COmpared to those cards, the 5200 is a piece of crap. But now that the prices have dropped on 5200s so much, they are OK cheapo cards if they are in the same price range as the Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200 cards.

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(ooo, raytracing)

uhm.. what? there isn't any raytracing yet in any game except in the bowling sim released by realstorm.. it is not doable in hw.. (well, it is, partially.. but thats an own sience:D)

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Now that prices have dropped, the FX5200 Ultra is probably the best budget card available. Although it isn't really a DX9 card (not powerful enough), it is faster than every other DX8/8.1 budget card (including my 9000 Pro)
 

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After looking at Tom's numbers, I wonder if the new detonators have given the 5200 a sizable boost. It seems far more powerful that it did in the older benchmarks, where 9000 PROs would regularly eat it for breakfast.

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i think the R200 is performing at 100% with the current drivers. there probably not much more performance or optimiztion left .. mostly just bug fixes and stability fixes

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You could 'force' an Overclock! :tongue: (ref. to a prev. thread)


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With Catalyst 3.6?
I've been using Catalyst 3.2 for very longtime, when Catalyst3.4 was out, I installed and I was disappointed, it performs worse than 3.2 and some bugs that it used to have come back again, ever since, I never update to the newest catalyst anymore, so i don't know if 3.6 would give 100% performance for R200 products
currently, for me, i think that Catalyst3.2 is the best for R200..but i'll be trying new driver anyway...
 

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Just repeating a question...... is the Asus GeForce 5200VS FX = 5200 ultra, where the Asus GeForce 5200TD FX = 5200 non ultra?

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i just bought the 5200 ulta ive used and played many vcards and for 100 bucks this card rock ass. Trust me it maybe slower then some other ti cards but wait till 9.0 games come out. it is fast to me and in benchmarking what toms has posted 52000 ultra is for real
 

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but wait till 9.0 games come out
Actually, wait till DX9 games come out, with an option on the side called "For FX5200 users, click here to enable old DX7 mode for possible playability."

in benchmarking what toms has posted 52000 ultra is for rea
If GreatGrapeApe read this, you'd be on your way out of the forum by now.

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This is a little off topic.....
But remember that nvdia has always released HORRIBLE drivers for the first few months a card is out.
Those 30% or so increases in performance that nvidia cards get with driver updates is just because the original drivers SUCK so much. It's not some driver magic. It's just simply a case of the first few drivers not utilizing the new card properly.

Nvidia could get away with this in the past because their cards were so much faster than the competition even without optimized drivers, so nobody noticed.
But now that nvidia finally has some competition everyone is bitching about how slow the FX cards are without considering this fact.

So I wouldn't count any out any of the FX line yet. They will get faster in time (without driver cheats :p)
 
Hehe. Yeah Seriously, C'mon! :lol: The VGA buyers' guide
is misleading and only has one DX9 'game' whihc is really just a 'made for benching' demo, and doesn't reflect the actual game. Tellin' ya, Inbred review quoting, just sad!

An FX5200Ultra, will not do anything with any of the TRUE DX9 titles. Heck I have a feeling my R9600Pro won't be 'impressive' (except when I OC the STANK out of it) with DX9 features on.

The FX and GF4ti are pretty much similar in that they are PRIMARILY DX7&8 cards. And rememebr the FX5200 is not the FX5200Ultra, and the Ultra isn't exactly cheap.

In any case. The FX is fine for those who want to run the 3D effects of Longhorn (when it comes out [you could have a cheaper/better card by then]), but it's definitely NOT going to be very good at DX9 games (with anything DX9 turned on/up) at anything above 640x480 IMO. And yes you will have the BEST pixel Shader 2.0 Slideshow on the block, unless someone else bought a real card (they could always make it a slideshow at RES above 16x12 :wink: ).

It all comes down to the money and if the FX5200U is only a few bucks cheaper than an FX5600 (heck even a non-ultra) or an R9600 (even non-pro), then those are the right choice for 'GAMERS', especially one's envisioning anything to do with DX9.
It's no longer the 'RMA NOW!' card most initial reviews painted it out to be, however it's still not going to give you any kind of SERIOUS DX9 'performance'.


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People, why don't you STOP hoping?

Do you realize that the geForce 3 got its Detonator XP boost a few months later, while this card which was paper-launched last year and came out in February, HAS gotten its damn upgrade and there IS NO OTHER ONE TO EXPECT?

Do you realize that the Detonator FXs are out? That means nVidia "figured" out the performance in it, it's done. I don't expect much anymore. Fact is, ever since the boost they got when the FX5900 was released, the serie had gone up heights above the 9700PRO, if you remember THG's review of the FX5900. The FX5800 Ultra was able to be 10% behind its new brother, and in AA and Aniso it was kicking the ATis right out of the ballpark.
Fact is there is NOT MUCH to help this damned card serie after what has been unlocked. They are doomed as it is because of a very bad architecture, one that has to even emulate to do PS 2.0, what is normally supposed to be an integrated function since it claims to be DX9!

In conclusion, will you all just SHUT UP about the "unleash the power" of the card drivers that nVidia does? IT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY.

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will you all just SHUT UP about the "unleash the power" of the card drivers that nVidia does? IT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY.
BUT I want MORE! C'mon Gimme! :tongue:

And while you're at it, give me drivers that unleash the R9600P's 256bit memory, just like the R9500NP! I'm waiting! :wink:

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cleeve

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Tell me you're being sarcastic, Ape.
You know that the special drivers enable the 9500's 4 dormant pipelines and do nothing to the memory interface, right?

I've been trying to straighten people out on that one forever... ;)

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