Fx5700 non ultra or Ti4200?

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I consider to buy Asus Geforce4 Ti4200 for $110 or Gigabyte Geforce Fx5700 non ultra for $160.
From what i read in tom's article looks like this two card have almost same performance in dx8 game. My question is does both card can handle games like call of duty or nfs underground with fulldetail at 1024x768? does Fx5700nu fast enough to handle dx9 game with good performance?
Can Ti4200 handle Fifa 2004 when AA/AF enable with good performance?
And how much different dx9 picture quality from dx8? is that more than dx8quality from dx7? I'm using geforce2 pro right now.
Do you think if i buy one of these cards how long i can keep these card to run future games with good performace? Less than 2 years?
I’m not interesting for another cards since looks like it've been overprice here. Found Fx5900xt for $250 and 9600pro for $210. Cant found Fx5700 ultra.
 

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My Radeon8500LE runs smooth with High Detail at 800x600
8500 is bit slower than a Ti4200
just give u an idea
I would wait a bit, cuz new cards are coming soon
 

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I think i cant wait for new cards to come. Even new card come, it still need long time before old card price getting down here. They just drop gf ti4200 to $110 last January. Before its price about $150. If i have to go for these cards now, which one should i go for? Take Gf Ti4200 and save $50 for next upgrade about next 1,5 or 2 years for new card that time which price around $150 , or take Fx5700 and not planning to upgrade until 2,5 or 3 years to come?
 

pauldh

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Honestly, I do not in any way think either of those cards has two years of gaming in them. If so, it would be the FX5700, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Where are you from? I don't want to steer you wrong or question your price findings, but if by any chance those are US dollars and you are in the US, You can get a good brand radeon 9600 Pro here for $140 from newegg. Or if NVidia is a must for you, Newegg had a XFX FX5900XT for $159. it is out of stock now, and I can not personally vouch for that brand either. Maybe somebody else can.

Again my apologies if you are outside the US as these prices mean squat to you. I kind of figure you are by you r last sentence. But I have no way of knowing that since your profile doesn't list a location.




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same here, will be more ovreclockable probbly

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cleeve

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The FX5700 is about on par with the Radeon 9600 non-pro.

Since I consider the 9600 non-pro better than the Ti4200 (because it kicks ass when overclocked), I also consider the 5700 better than the Ti4200.

HAVING SAID THAT:

- The FX5900 is better than all of them. So is the 9600XT. You can get these cards for about $160...

- You can get the Ti4200 for about $80 online.

- You should also be considering the 9600 PRO. Cheap, and an excellent card.

- If you HAVE to spend $110 on a Ti4200 and $160 on a FX5700, it's a tough choice, because they perform pretty close for a $50 difference.

Here are some benches that include the 5700 vs a 5600 and 9600 non-pro:

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv38-36.html/nv38-36.html?77188" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv38-36.html/nv38-36.html?77188</A>

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Since I consider the 9600 non-pro better than the Ti4200 (because it kicks ass when overclocked)
Most R9600 NPs come with 5.0 ns TSOP memory and this kind of memory doesn't overclock well.

Ti4200-8x is a better buy than R9600.

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Yes, but the 9600NP cores are phenomenal for overclocking.



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Actually most of the R9600non-pros come with 4ns TSOP. Not fabulous, but not as bad as the cheaper stuff they reserve for the SE.

Look at Rage3D's review, they did OK on the overclock, and rememeber that's PASSIVELY cooled. Of course the memory will be a drawback, but the improvements are pretty nice. There's also some pics of the memory modules.

<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/content/reviews/video/sapphire9600s/index.php?page=10" target="_new">http://www.rage3d.com/content/reviews/video/sapphire9600s/index.php?page=10</A>



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Good improvement, but I don't think cheaper R9600 NPs use 4.0 ns memory, since 5.0 ns is adequate for 200 MHz memory clock.

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The thing is that Powercolor and Gigacube both use 4ns, and rememebr that they are pretty cheezy cheap with memory.

It does appear to be quite common among Mfrs.

Here's a review from Overclockers NZ about the Gigapuke model;

<A HREF="http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=03vga00r9600progigacube9600lite0104" target="_new">http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=03vga00r9600progigacube9600lite0104</A>

They appear to have been able to OC it to 438/~257(513)


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This card used active cooling, not passive

BTW, from now you should call them GePuke, not Gigapuke :wink:

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Anyone who games should skip over these two cards and save their money for something better...

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Yes, I know it was an R9600'Pro' review with active cooling, but the list on that front page described the memory modules on the different models. :tongue:

Yes, I know, GePuke now, but the review was from their GigaPuke days, perhaps just Gag'n'Puke would be good enough? :wink:


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Agreed.

For the casual, 'I play a game every once in a while', 'I don't mind playing games at 640x480' player it'd be ok, but anyone else should think about a little more power.


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Yea, my outlook on which video card is right for what, has changed quite a bit lately. Damn there are some good cheap cards out there.

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Just to support your statements, here's a review from Digit-Life that has the 5ns memory (elixir [the cheap bastardz!]);

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/r9600-2.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/r9600-2.html</A>


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Yeah, I think it's never been a better time for cards; except maybe when you could mod and R9500, but even now the price of an R9500/R9500Pro is close to the same if not MORE than some of the R9800s out there now.

The R9600Pro is really cheap now, the FX5900SE/XT is cheap (the occasional FX5900non-ultra too), the R9800 (like some people here have) is a wicked deal when they can be found, and even the R9800pros are appearing at rather reasonable prices nowadays (saw one just last week for $279 Canadian [That's cheaper than I paid for my R9600Pro!!!]).

It's a great time for deals, and I really wonder how long they will last, I think by the time the R420/423/RV380 and NV40 hit the shelves likely all the stock of the R9800 and R9800pro will be severly depleted, and the bargains may be gone. Just a personal thought. I would hate to have to worry about that.

Personally I can't wait for the next stuff to get here, but for people who's cards just died, or they just got a game that kills their R8500 or GF3, then now is a very good time to be upgrading IMNSHO.


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I don't mind to play games like doom3 or halflife2 @800x600 with full or medium detail.
But i want to play CoD and NFS underground @1024x768 if possible.
See that fx5700 perform in dx8 games just a bit better than fx5700.
Fx5700 advantage just that its support Dx9 and have better performance with AA/AF.
I wonder how much improvement in term of picture quality between dx8 and dx9?
I feel that games which optimized for dx8 looks bad when played with dx7 card.
Maybe because dx7 card doesnt support pixel shader so without that games will look bad.
But since dx8 card support pixel shader(even in lower version) so i guess it wont look too bad in dx9 games.
And could fx5700 permorm well in dx9 games?
If the different between dx8 and dx9 not too much, maybe i better go for ti4200 and save money for next upgrade.
 
See that fx5700 perform in dx8 games just a bit better than fx5700.
Not sure which you are saying is better than which, but the FX series still has issues with NFS:Underground, and I wouldn't think the FX5700 would have much is any advanatage considering the performance of it's sibling.

<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTc4LDQ=" target="_new">See FX5700UvsR9600P in NFS:U</A>

The differences between DX9 and DX8 are usually things like water, sky, shiny armour, scales, textures, etc.

Here's a basic rundown from [H] of DX8 vs DX8.1 vs DX9 for a few titles;

<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTUy" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTUy</A>

As for the FX5700 performing well, yeah pobably OK, but not as well as the R9600.

If you don't go with the R9600, you might as well go with the GF4ti, but at this point why even bother. Even the GF4ti will soon be a 2 generations old card. Wait 'til the next cards come out and get an R9600Pro on the cheap. Far better than the GF4ti(which is very hampered by it's DX8only compliance).


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