fx5800 - should I slap myself?

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ok the ancient gf256 is getting a bit old in my box, so I have been putting a lot of research into what a fair card to replace it.

The cards I am considering at the moment are either rad 9600pro based or gf fx5600 ultra based. (to give you an idea of my price range)
However I have also noticed that an ocasional shop also has fx5800(non ultra)'s for sale, particlary the Leadtek verson, for a substantially reduced price.

Now the question is, am I stupid to even consider getting a fx5800 or is the leadtek version altered enough to be a worthwile contender?

In terms of prices this is the line up (in AUSTRALIAN dollars)

radeon 9600pro based 128meg: about $300
fx5600 ultra based 128meg: about $420
fx5800 non ultra 128meg: $499

My use of this card is not only gaming, I do a lot of 3d grapics in Ligtwave, Maya and MAX so I would like a superior openGL card if possible. I would be willing to spend the extra cash for a fx5800 if this sounds like a good deal.

show me the answers!
 
Out of those three, I would strongly suggest the 9600 Pro (or wait a couple of weeks for the 9600XT). The DX9 performance is excellent and it's a good overclocker. I'm not sure about OpenGL performance but it's probably very good. I would stay away from GeForceFX cards altogether.
 
Get the Radeon 9600 Pro

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Another vote for the 9600 Pro.

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but WHY people??
dont just say "get 9600pro"!

The fx5800 appear between 50% and 150% faster than the 9600pro in all tests including with fsaa and aniso.

The point of the question is: is getting a fx5800 at a relativly low price a good idea? Whats peoples thoughts on the leadtek version? Is it cool and quiet enough?
 
The reason y we say 9600pro is because 9600pro outperforms the 5800 in any single DX9 Benchmark and by ALOT. the 9600pro also overclocks much better, the 5800 overclocks like crap because you can't keep it cool enough. So the cheaper 9600pro's actually a better card just because all the new games that are coming out uses DX9.

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All tests? give a link on DX9 games.

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FX5800 is HOT and R9600 should have no problem beating FX5800 in DX9 games like Half Life2 at stock speed. R9600 Pro also overclocks much better than FX5800.

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Didn't read that last part in his post, then if 5800's on sale or cheap then maybe get that, but it'll gurantee to hit up the room.

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thats just the damm problem! There are basicly no recent benchmarks for the 5800, so im reduced to doing weird stuff like looking at a 5900 benchmark, then converting it to an aproximate 5800 value.
Then of course theres all the problem with the wacky nvida driver fiasco which can potentialy skew all the results way out.

but as this benchmark shows:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030918/index.html
the 5900u grinds the 9600pro badly (dx9 I assume). So converting that over to a 5800 non pro I would still think the 5800 would win over a 9600pro by a significant amount.
 
That isn't really a DX9 test...only a fraction of it is. Additionally, the fx5800nu was only a little better than newer 5600ultra, which is shown in that test. Also, the 9600pro is cheaper.
However, if you really will be doing a lot of opengl (as in maya)...the 5800 is probably the way to go (i'm trying to dig up some benchies--tough time trying to find the 5800,though, only quadros are tested most of the time though).

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There are Half Life 2 test at many sites including Tom's, showing all the FX cards faltering badly in DX9.

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so saphire is teh good? (hehe, I work at a university and I just saw someone's file whose first name was "Teh")
anyone confirm?

anyone tell me when the 9600xt ones will be out. I COULD sift through a million news posts n such... but bollicks ta that!
tell me someone.... telll meee......


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Neuralstasis on 10/14/03 11:04 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
this may be a little off topic just wandering how much do you get 9800np for?

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For a non-pro WOW that's wayyy too much, then just think about the 9600pro, it overclocks to the XT's frequencies easily.

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for a comparison before you say "waaaay to much", in Aus a rad9600pro is worth about AUD$300
which = US$207
however, I can see on the shopping seach that a sapphire 9600pro is actually about US$165. So judging from that I would say that the 5800 price, if I bought it in the US, to be about US$275?
 
I live in Canada so i wouldn't know in Canada the 5900(5800 is hard to find), is starting at 350 dollars, then price goes up brand from brand. 350 that's about 240US.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
 
If you're not primarily using the graphics card for OpenGL apps, then get the 9600 Pro. It's way less expensive and it's a good value. The fx5800, on the other hand, is very expensive, it takes up two slots, it makes an awful whining noise, it plugs directly into your power supply (and sucks a lot of wattage), and the DX9 performance is mediocre.
 
Surprisingly 5800 doesn't consume much power, the minimum requirement is a 250watt PSU.

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