Fx8350 or Haswell?

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Im building a second computer to use as a streaming slave. I used to have a second machine with a 3770k in it like i have in my gaming machine. Im looking at what would be the most effective/cost effective combination here, between a fx8350+970mobo or just a new intel, (which i know nothing about.) Im looking at 300 dollars between the 8350 and the MSI 970 gaming mobo that i want, and seeing these Haswell CPU's for around 220 or so, im wondering if there is a model that i can pair with a 80 dollar motherboard that would get me better performance for the job, for the price?

any advice would be greatly appreciated here. thank you.
 
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There is no scenario in which I would get any FX cpu at this point.

The 1230v2 is based off of the 3770 so it would not outperform the 3770k but it would at least be similar.
The 1231v3 is based off of the 4770 and it's clocked a little faster than the 1230v2 so it's like ~15% stonger
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kmfFCJ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kmfFCJ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $311.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I havent even considered Xeon as an option. Arent they generally considered to be "server cpu's"? I also plan to use two of my Corsair vengeance ddr3 1600's from my current machine in this one to cut costs. would this affect your advice to go with the Xeon?

Another factor is the Avermedia live gamer Hd i will be using to capture with and the configuration of the pci slots on the board. and isnt asrock generally considered to be the bastard child of asus or just kind of cheaply made? I bought one to try once and it made a high pitch squealing noise lol...
 
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well when i built my old streaming machine, i know that i chose a 3570k and compared to the 3770k, it just couldnt handle the encoding speed that i was trying to use to maximize the quality of the stream and push it out at 60fps. I ended up just gaming with the 3570k until i had an advanced replacement of another 3770k for my other machine.

The goal here is really to stay as low budget as i can. Im already taking the second gtx 670 (which is probably overkill for just a streaming machine), tb HDD and 8 gigs of corsair ram from my existing gaming rig to cut costs. So far my cart is around 400-500 and i want to keep it as low as possible. Im guessing that its not even worth messing around with an i5, even haswell, because it lacks the hyper threading. I guess i just know nowthing about the models after the 3770k because i havent done any reasearch since they were the best i7's you could get your hands on. I mean... If i could potentially build a rig using parts i have now, and new haswell technology thats better than my 3770k? I might just use that as my primary gaming rig and turn whats left of my existing one into the streaming machine... Any thoughts on that?

If im going to be payinf 300 for an 8350 and the motherboard i need to make things work for me, is it really saving money here to NOT go with the 220-250 dollar haswells?
 
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but... could i get away with using onboard video where the machine is basically only going to be used for taking video in and encoding it and live streaming it to twitch? I know i did this with my old rig, but at one point had my 670's spread out between the two but cant for the life of me remember why... maybe because i though tit would preform better? If i was to get a haswell that would game better than this machine currently does, and turn this one into the streaming machine, could i just use the integrated video on my sabertooth z77 and use the SLI in the gaming rig? Idk these are the questions i cannot answer myself.
 
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The Xeon would outperform a stock 3770k by a hair, but would lose out to an overclocked 3770k. The Xeon will run a lot cooler for sure. It all depends on if you want to spend the money. It's a terrific value for $243

You could always get an Ivy Bridge Xeon like the e3-1230v2 if you already have a LGA1155 mobo laying around.
 
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Man this is blowing my mind haha, now there are just a lot more options here. Now, Idk what to even do lol. I have this rig that i thought was going to be future proof for at least a few years, which it has been holding up to. Now hmm.. the 1230 wouldnt out preform this 3770k in gaming would it? I mean, i feel like its harder to find a good deal on a socket am3+ mobo, at least on amazon, (which is where i want to get my parts, for reasons). What do you think is the best course of action here, utilizing whatever i can with the parts i already have, that could potentially A. upgrade the machine im currently using, and B. leave me with a second machine that can do the slave work/ take the performance hit away from the gaming rig while recording/streaming?

Can i use integrated video for such a machine? or would that cause problems with encoding/streaming?

*thanks, everyone, for the help thus far, ill get back to this thread after The Walking Dead. xD
 
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Encoding and streaming is all CPU usually. There are GPU encoders available but the ones I've used are CPU encoders.
 
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There is no scenario in which I would get any FX cpu at this point.

The 1230v2 is based off of the 3770 so it would not outperform the 3770k but it would at least be similar.
The 1231v3 is based off of the 4770 and it's clocked a little faster than the 1230v2 so it's like ~15% stonger
 
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think of the Xeon 1231v3/1230v2 as a 4770/3770, they are identical in performance, so yes they perform just as great in gaming as any other i5/i7, the only downside is they cant be overclocked but you can always lock the turbo and get a nice 3.7ghz Xeon 24/7.
 
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Okay, so what would you suggest? Do you think i can actually use the streaming machine with just simple, integrated video on this Sabertooth z77? I mean. I have both cards already so theres always that fall back, but i mean, who wouldnt want to have the SLI also. (shit wont i lose SLI performance by mirroring my monitor to the second machine... I forgot about that.) Im just wondering if i can get away with not getting a MOBO that has integrated video AND a pci configuration that leaves room for both the capture card AND the massive double slot GPU.

(i cant remember if i just used the pass through on the avermedia card... i remember this caused issues with my 120hz monitor... damn the struggle is real here.)

so what. In either case, it wouldnt make much sense to try and use this hardware i already have for the streaming instead, because with the xeon's i wont bet getting much of an improvement on my current rig right?
 
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Would the 1231v3 be better for gaming/whatever than the 3770k? so it might make sense to get a decent mobo that could run SLI and everything i needed it to and use that as the motherboard for the gaming machine? i mean you did say thats comparable to the 4770k so i assume that would make it better than the 3770k no?
 
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I have mine overclocked to 4.5 right now. so if i dont have the potential to really "upgrade" this machine, without going for something like a 4770 or a 4970 and basically blowing the budget, would the Xeon still be the best course of action? Any other considerations to be made like, getting the socket 1150 over the 1155 to make room for future improvements?

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This is what i have so far.
 
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That is your potential parts list? Avoid the CX series psus. The Cooler Master T4 cooler is unnecessary if you want to save money. I recommend a H97 motherboard if possible. Do the parts HAVE to come from amazon?

The only upgrades for the 3770k are the 4770k or 4790k.
 
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You're losing out on a lot value by only using amazon

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Jj8799
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Jj8799/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($256.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($82.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($38.75 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $441.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-23 00:11 EST-0500
 
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Looks like about an extra $50 by going with amazon only

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zNk423
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zNk423/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $394.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-23 00:13 EST-0500
 
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the 212 was added when i was thinking about getting the 8350, which im contemplating at the moment, for the sheer fact that i should be able to seriously reduce the overall price and still be able to push 720p60fps video just fine.

I would like to stick with amazon simply for the ease of ordering, the short free delivery speed, and the ability to return things without question or pain.
 
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These are both Micro ATX and im not sure how i feel about trying to cram the video card and capture card in one of those. I mean, i get that the capture card is one of those short pci 1x? or whatevers... but in my sabertooth z77, for some reaosn, it only works when its in a pcie slot... idk why ive tried troubleshooting it, it hast o be with my bios idk. but the prgram doesnt recognize it unless.
 
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