G3258 vs i3 4150 ???

[dan3141592653]

the same clock the only difference is the hyperthread will this have any real advantage for gaming? cos the G chip is half the price

 

[damric]

Get Athlon 860K, best of both worlds.

But yes, many game engines seem to like the i3's hyperthreads.

I actually have all three of those CPUs in my lab right now, and they are all good for some things.

 

[fatboyslimerr]

i3 has 4 threads but is not overclockable, G3258 only has 2 execution cores with 2 threads but is overclockable. Some applications and games favour a faster clock speed over more cores but increasingly new games need four cores to run (at all?...far cry 4) smoothly which might be an increasing trend.

If I were you I'd be looking at an i3-4160 haswell refresh chip @3.6Ghz coupled with a cheap z97 motherboard which will be compatible with this year's broadwell chips from Intel. Look at the ASRock Z97 Pro4.

 

[dan3141592653]

hmmm....

Im struggling to justify double price for fake cores and lower OC speed

 

[dan3141592653]

i3 has 4 threads but is not overclockable, G3258 only has 2 execution cores with 2 threads but is overclockable. Some applications and games favour a faster clock speed over more cores but increasingly new games need four cores to run (at all?...far cry 4) smoothly which might be an increasing trend.

If I were you I'd be looking at an i3-4160 haswell refresh chip @3.6Ghz coupled with a cheap z97 motherboard which will be compatible with this year's broadwell chips from Intel. Look at the ASRock Z97 Pro4.

The 4160 looks ok... any chance of 4ghz on stock cooler?

 

[dan3141592653]

Get Athlon 860K, best of both worlds.

But yes, many game engines seem to like the i3's hyperthreads.

I actually have all three of those CPUs in my lab right now, and they are all good for some things.

i have just bought a gtx970 and have £150 left for mobo/cpu/ram/case... hence looking at the Gchip... Thoughts on g3258 + GTx970 ?

 

[boosted1g]

those "fake cores" enable it to perform twice the number of threads per second.

Yes the g3258 gets great overclocks and rocks on single thread performance. But for games which are most all multi-threaded, the i3 will beat the Pentium. Too many people wanting to look at only one variable to justify something and refuse to look at the whole picture.

And for the love of god don't go with an 860k or any other FM2 cpu. At least with the Pentium you have an upgrade path, with the 860k that is the best of the best you can get and it cant even keep up with the i3 outside of specific benchmarks that just look at clock speed.

 

[boosted1g]

Get Athlon 860K, best of both worlds.

But yes, many game engines seem to like the i3's hyperthreads.

I actually have all three of those CPUs in my lab right now, and they are all good for some things.

i have just bought a gtx970 and have £150 left for mobo/cpu/ram/case... hence looking at the Gchip... Thoughts on g3258 + GTx970 ?

That was a good plan, spend $350 on a GPU so that the low end CPU you can afford can bottleneck away 50% of its performance.

 

[dan3141592653]

those "fake cores" enable it to perform twice the number of threads per second.

Yes the g3258 gets great overclocks and rocks on single thread performance. But for games which are most all multi-threaded, the i3 will beat the Pentium. Too many people wanting to look at only one variable to justify something and refuse to look at the whole picture.

And for the love of god don't go with an 860k or any other FM2 cpu. At least with the Pentium you have an upgrade path, with the 860k that is the best of the best you can get and it cant even keep up with the i3 outside of specific benchmarks that just look at clock speed.

£40 will make you overlook alot of things I know hat you are saying but there both lga1150 and both not so good so why not get the half price one until the 4460 is £100

 

[dan3141592653]

Get Athlon 860K, best of both worlds.

But yes, many game engines seem to like the i3's hyperthreads.

I actually have all three of those CPUs in my lab right now, and they are all good for some things.

i have just bought a gtx970 and have £150 left for mobo/cpu/ram/case... hence looking at the Gchip... Thoughts on g3258 + GTx970 ?

That was a good plan, spend $350 on a GPU so that the low end CPU you can afford can bottleneck away 50% of its performance.

I know :S... but its lga1150 so can upgrade easily. Plus that card can stay for years with a sli...

Or I could put the gpu in an empty case and stare at it.....

 

[dan3141592653]

Oh sheet I just realised you can only OC the 3258 on Z boards?

 

[quilciri]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2851126/far-cry-4-woes-with-dual-core-processors-point-to-a-bleak-future-for-budget-pc-gamers.html

 

[dan3141592653]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2851126/far-cry-4-woes-with-dual-core-processors-point-to-a-bleak-future-for-budget-pc-gamers.html

I domt wanna shoot talibans anyway.... I wanna play no mans sky, fallout 4, mgsV ....

 

[geofelt]

I vote for the G3258 only if you are willing to overclock.
First of all, few games can make use of more than 2 threads.
A g3258 @3.2 can usually be overclocked to something like 4.4
By contrast, a i3-4150 runs at 3.5 on it's two cores.
Yes, the hyperthreads add capability if the app or game can use more. But that added capability is from hyperthreads which only use residual cycles of the main cores and are perhaps the capability of 1/4 of a core.

There is actually a
game that will not run on a dual core that will run on an I3. Sorry, Ican't recall which it was.

If you primarily play a single game, be guided by a benchmark for that game.
If you primarily play sims, mmo and strategy games, they tend to be single threaded where a G3258 will shine.
For fast action games, the graphics card might be more important, and the GTX970 is outstanding.

 

[dan3141592653]

I dont play online at all....

 

[dan3141592653]

I vote for the G3258 only if you are willing to overclock.
First of all, few games can make use of more than 2 threads.
A g3258 @3.2 can usually be overclocked to something like 4.4
By contrast, a i3-4150 runs at 3.5 on it's two cores.
Yes, the hyperthreads add capability if the app or game can use more. But that added capability is from hyperthreads which only use residual cycles of the main cores and are perhaps the capability of 1/4 of a core.

There is actually a
game that will not run on a dual core that will run on an I3. Sorry, Ican't recall which it was.

If you primarily play a single game, be guided by a benchmark for that game.
If you primarily play sims, mmo and strategy games, they tend to be single threaded where a G3258 will shine.
For fast action games, the graphics card might be more important, and the GTX970 is outstanding.

I have looked at benchmarks for the 3258 and it comes about 20% less fps than i5 on AAA titles maxxed out on a good GPU

 

[dan3141592653]

At 720p maxxed out G3258+970 should hit 30fps min on all games?

 

[dan3141592653]

I think there is still a years life in the G chip before its obsolete

 

[madmatt30]

its obsolete now!

 

[spdragoo]

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1265?vs=1367

Not quite the correct comparison (they only had the i3-4130T, which is lower-power & lower clock frequency). But, as you can see, when it comes to game performance that particular i3 outperforms the Pentium quite noticeably. The particular i3 you're looking at is not only faster than the 4130T, it's slightly faster per core than the Pentium.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3258-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4150

While CPUBoss gives the win to the Pentium, based on the benchmarks given they're primarily giving it to the Pentium because of its lower cost; the sole benchmark it wins (Passmark single-core) is eclipsed by the i3's performance (winning Geekbench 32-bit, Geekbench 64-bit & Passmark multi-core). Plus, the i3 can handle DDR3-1600 RAM and has a higher memory bandwidth.

Bottom line, unless you're really going to OC the Pentium -- which means spending money for extra cooling, therefore eating into the price break it gives you -- the i3 would be a better buy.

 

[madmatt30]

At 720p maxxed out G3258+970 should hit 30fps min on all games?

ignore any ides about dropping resolution - thats entirely down to the 970 - it will perform exactly the same at any resolution from 720p upto 1440p

 

[madmatt30]

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1265?vs=1367

Not quite the correct comparison (they only had the i3-4130T, which is lower-power & lower clock frequency). But, as you can see, when it comes to game performance that particular i3 outperforms the Pentium quite noticeably. The particular i3 you're looking at is not only faster than the 4130T, it's slightly faster per core than the Pentium.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3258-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4150

While CPUBoss gives the win to the Pentium, based on the benchmarks given they're primarily giving it to the Pentium because of its lower cost; the sole benchmark it wins (Passmark single-core) is eclipsed by the i3's performance (winning Geekbench 32-bit, Geekbench 64-bit & Passmark multi-core). Plus, the i3 can handle DDR3-1600 RAM and has a higher memory bandwidth.

Bottom line, unless you're really going to OC the Pentium -- which means spending money for extra cooling, therefore eating into the price break it gives you -- the i3 would be a better buy.

irregardles of anything now - a 150 quid budget will not get him a cpu,decent mb,ram & a half decent case.

 

[dan3141592653]

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1265?vs=1367

Not quite the correct comparison (they only had the i3-4130T, which is lower-power & lower clock frequency). But, as you can see, when it comes to game performance that particular i3 outperforms the Pentium quite noticeably. The particular i3 you're looking at is not only faster than the 4130T, it's slightly faster per core than the Pentium.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3258-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4150

While CPUBoss gives the win to the Pentium, based on the benchmarks given they're primarily giving it to the Pentium because of its lower cost; the sole benchmark it wins (Passmark single-core) is eclipsed by the i3's performance (winning Geekbench 32-bit, Geekbench 64-bit & Passmark multi-core). Plus, the i3 can handle DDR3-1600 RAM and has a higher memory bandwidth.

Bottom line, unless you're really going to OC the Pentium -- which means spending money for extra cooling, therefore eating into the price break it gives you -- the i3 would be a better buy.

irregardles of anything now - a 150 quid budget will not get him a cpu,decent mb,ram & a half decent case.

Ok how bout £200?

 

[madmatt30]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (£84.16 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£37.91 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£27.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £203.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£78.57 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£39.59 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£27.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £199.11
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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (£56.04 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus A88XM-A Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£53.99 @ Dabs)
Memory: Kingston Beast 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£55.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£27.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £193.99
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[dan3141592653]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (£84.16 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£37.91 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£27.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £203.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 20:24 GMT+0000




PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£78.57 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£39.59 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£27.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £199.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 20:26 GMT+0000

Thanks man

This look good I dont mind AMD...

Someone suggested this what do you think?


CPU: Intel Pentium G3250 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£41.94 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-P33 V2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£40.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£54.00 @ Kustom PCs)
Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.08 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £155.07