Question G7400 usage

[manolis kokotsakis]

Hi,
I plan to build a new pc.
Its for work.
Always 50 tabs open, 5,6 excels large size,printer is active,slype,and youtube running for music.

Only these. Never more, never games,never extra Gpu.
G7400 you believe is capable for handle these or i need to go for i3-12100 ?
Thank you.

 

[Colif]

Why in a time when there are 96 core CPU are you choosing between a 2 core or 4 core CPU? I would at least aim for 6 or 8 cores with hyper threading... if only to make it more capable in the future.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

Why in a time when there are 96 core CPU are you choosing between a 2 core or 4 core CPU? I would at least aim for 6 or 8 cores with hyper threading... if only to make it more capable in the future.

I try ,in general, buy what i need. I would buy a 3000 engine car, only go to super market and barber shop. If i need, yes i will buy.

 

[Colif]

just trying to save you buying something else in a few years because your needs have changed. Software grows. 50 tabs needs some support.

I had a 2 core CPU in 2007. I had a 4 core CPU in 2015. I wouldn't use one now.

the G7400 is 2 core/2 threads
the 12100 is 4 core/4 threads

You should at least get one with hyper threading which doubles the thread count. Each core in the CPU does twice as much. PC won't slow down as fast as say if you bought either of the two CPU you chose.
4 core/8 thread CPU have been around for years now. They aren't that much more expensive than what you looking at.

 

[hotaru.hino]

Get the most powerful thing you're willing to spend money on.

I mean, I'm sure you could do all that on a Pentium N200, but you'd probably hate yourself after a week.

 

[bit_user]

the G7400 is 2 core/2 threads
the i3-12100 is 4 core/4 threads

You should at least get one with hyper threading which doubles the thread count. Each core in the CPU does twice as much.

BTW, the i3-13100 is 4 core/8 threads.

I wouldn't say Hyperthreading is a 2x. It's usually no more than a 1.5x multiplier, but it depends a lot on what you're doing.

My work laptop has a i5-1250P, which has 4P+8E cores and 16 threads. Bootup is pretty snappy, but once I login, it takes a good 20-30 seconds for MS Teams to launch (it's set to autostart). The machine has all cores nearly pegged for the first couple minutes, as a zillion different things try to run all at once. Once Teams launches, it's pretty smooth and responsive, with no dropouts if I jump directly on a call - Teams would sometimes get starved for cycles on my old work laptop, which had 2 cores / 4 threads.

With so many tabs, I'd suggest what's at least as important as how many threads the CPU has is getting enough RAM and a fast SSD. Bare minimum should be 16 GB of memory and try to get a NVMe SSD that has DRAM - some of the ones which use a Host Memory Buffer were pretty slow. I wouldn't put much premium on PCIe 4.0, however. A few good PCIe 3.0 drives were faster than some PCIe 4.0 drives. It's probably more important to go for TLC, if you can get it, than to worry about the PCIe speed.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

BTW, the i3-13100 is 4 core/8 threads.

I wouldn't say Hyperthreading is a 2x. It's usually no more than a 1.5x multiplier, but it depends a lot on what you're doing.

My work laptop has a i5-1250P, which has 4P+8E cores and 16 threads. Bootup is pretty snappy, but once I login, it takes a good 20-30 seconds for MS Teams to launch (it's set to autostart). The machine has all cores nearly pegged for the first couple minutes, as a zillion different things try to run all at once. Once Teams launches, it's pretty smooth and responsive, with no dropouts if I jump directly on a call - Teams would sometimes get starved for cycles on my old work laptop, which had 2 cores / 4 threads.

With so many tabs, I'd suggest what's at least as important as how many threads the CPU has is getting enough RAM and a fast SSD. Bare minimum should be 16 GB of memory and try to get a NVMe SSD that has DRAM - some of the ones which use a Host Memory Buffer were pretty slow. I wouldn't put much premium on PCIe 4.0, however. A few good PCIe 3.0 drives were faster than some PCIe 4.0 drives. It's probably more important to go for TLC, if you can get it, than to worry about the PCIe speed.

I always choose Samsung. You think samsung NVME with 3.0 pcie is ok ? Pcie 4.0 have some heat issues i dont want to go + more expensive.

 

[Colif]

The biggest speed boost you will notice is going from sata to nvme.
PCIe 3 is fast enough, you really won't notice the difference going any faster.

realises he read the 12100 link wrong... its 4 cores/8 threads...

Intel® Core™ i3-12100 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i3-12100 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

I read both wrong, the other is 2 cores/4 threads

so um, of the 2 I would get the 12100

8 threads beats 4 any day.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

970

The biggest speed boost you will notice is going from sata to nvme.
PCIe 3 is fast enough, you really won't notice the difference going any faster.

realises he read the 12100 link wrong... its 4 cores/8 threads...

Intel® Core™ i3-12100 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i3-12100 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

I read both wrong, the other is 2 cores/4 threads

so um, of the 2 I would get the 12100

8 threads beats 4 any day.

970 Evo plus 250 or 500 is a good choice ?

 

[Colif]

if its your windows drive, get 500.

ssd remain fast if have more free space, filling them up slows them down. So more you not going to use is an advantage.

 

[bit_user]

if its your windows drive, get 500.

ssd remain fast if have more free space, filling them up slows them down. So more you not going to use is an advantage.

Bigger drives also have more write endurance. This is usually listed as the "TBW" rating (i.e. the number of TeraBytes that can be Written over the drive's lifespan). It's a little hard to say how much you need, in absolute terms. For most people, it tends not to be an issue. However, by paying attention to the rating, you can have some idea of how different drives compare.

 

[Colif]

i have a 1tb nvme, half of its empty and I also set aside 10% for over provisioning. Mine will either die from old age or a mechanical fault. I don't really use space.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

very interesting infos but the answer to g7400 what is capable to do, and for how long, didnt answered i think

 

[bit_user]

very interesting infos but the answer to g7400 what is capable to do, and for how long, didnt answered i think

I didn't look very hard, but here's the only professional review of it that I found:

Intel Pentium G7400: For what are two cores with HT (not) enough? - HWCooling.net

Intel Pentium G7400 in detailFrom the top, we gradually worked our way down to the class of the iconic Pentium. Its design is quite conservative by today’s standards. The performance of the dual-core processor is at the limit, which begins to complicate the actual execution of the tests. One of...

www.hwcooling.net

I would also suggest looking at some customer reviews on Amazon and Newegg. Try to read both positive and negative reviews, to get a good idea of what the CPU does well and what it does poorly.

 

[Colif]

The G7400 is half as capable as the 12100
half as many cores
half as much cache

this Video covers some of it

I would get 12100 if prices are close. Its worth it, it can do twice as much at same time.

G7400 has a faster single core speed but slower multi - it does have 2 less cores

Intel Pentium Gold G7400 vs Core i3 12100: performance comparison

We compared Intel Pentium Gold G7400 (3.7 GHz) against Core i3 12100 (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has better performance.

nanoreview.net

It doesn't help that most comparisons are assuming you buying it for gaming.

G7400 can't use turbo boost, the I3 can.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

The G7400 is half as capable as the 12100
half as many cores
half as much cache

this Video covers some of it

I would get 12100 if prices are close. Its worth it, it can do twice as much at same time.

G7400 has a faster single core speed but slower multi - it does have 2 less cores

Intel Pentium Gold G7400 vs Core i3 12100: performance comparison

We compared Intel Pentium Gold G7400 (3.7 GHz) against Core i3 12100 (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has better performance.

nanoreview.net

It doesn't help that most comparisons are assuming you buying it for gaming.

G7400 can't use turbo boost, the I3 can.

No gaming, only office.
I describe on the topic what i need for.

 

[bit_user]

No gaming, only office.
I describe on the topic what i need for.

This is probably the last post I'm going to make in this thread, because I honestly have nothing more to offer.

I don't know why you're so keen on the G7400, but if you look at the review I linked, it has a few pages that align with your stated usage model.

To @Colif 's point, this page on Web Performance has the i3-12100F easily beating it, in nearly all of the benchmarks.

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https://www.hwcooling.net/en/intel-pentium-g7400-for-what-are-two-cores-with-ht-not-enough/20/​

(this link is directly to the Web Performance benchmarks in that article)​

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The i3-12100F is basically just a regular i3-12100 with the iGPU disabled. It's a little bit cheaper and uses a tiny bit less power, but otherwise the same. The scores should be interchangeable. The only reason to get the F-version is if you plan on using a separate graphics card, which it sounds like you aren't.

 

[Colif]

You aren't going to find many reviews of that CPU that don't include gaming, as that is one of its main uses. So you just have to look at the parts that aren't gaming and decide.

That is reason I commented on it in the reply.

 

[manolis kokotsakis]

Thnks for time all if you