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hello. I need to find what is the best gaming pc in 400$ without graphics card ( i have allready a gtx 750 ) and a 1440 x 900 monitor. I wish to play all new games at least at minimum in a 720p rezolution. For begining, i will buy 4 gb ram, after a while another 4. If need, in the future i will change the cpu with another, maybe i will buy a SSD. But for at least 1 year i'm not making upgrades. I'm thinking at : i3 4160, gigabyte b85m-d2v, western digital blue, and sirtec eco II 450W. the motherboard must suport minimum 16 gb ram, 1 sata 3, 2 sata 2, Pci-x 3.0, chipset = B85, H81, H97, 2 X usb 3, dvi. Do you have better ideas in this amount of money ? And the second question : what's different between a mobo that cost 150 $ and one that cost 50 $ ? besides more number of ports and overclock capability, there's more ? thank you for advice.
 
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I wouldn't us the ram fro ykki,1600mhz@cas11 is too high latency's,for 1600mhz ram would i not go over cas9.

For this card you already have something like this,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+...
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CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 22M35D 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($90.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $397.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The reason I have put that mobo is so that you can put a better cpu in the future without any hassles.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($111.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($47.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $373.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Here is my suggestion, more CPU power and a H81.

Now the above post isn't wrong because it does support future proofing and I have done build suggestion with H97/Z97 Boards, but I feel as in your case I should give you more CPU power and a H81 board.

The reason why I chose a H81 is because it's:

1. Cheap
2. Reliable
3. Gives you what you need without extra unused crap

I use a ASUS H81M-PLUS motherboard and a I3-4130 and I can handle anything I throw it. If you want more power just throw in a I5 4690(with correct BIOS update) or a I7 4770 in there and a powerful GPU, because really to handle games all you need is one lol.

I also managed to fit in 2x4 GB of RAM to get you where you need to go without the wait.

I got you a reliably cheap PSU to power your system and a nice case :D
 
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Thanks, i allready have a monitor.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($111.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $393.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I changed it out to a B85 for PCIE 3.0 support, 2.0 is ok actually because my system is a PCIE 2.0 slot and my card is a 3.0/2.0(backward compatibility) card and I handle most games maxed out with my R7 260x 2GB OC.
 
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yes, it is a good choice, the only problem is that asrock comes with pci-x 2.0
 
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Ik i recommended you a second list with a ASrock B85 with 3.0



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($111.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $393.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 09:37 EST-0500

I changed it out to a B85 for PCIE 3.0 support, 2.0 is ok actually because my system is a PCIE 2.0 slot and my card is a 3.0/2.0(backward compatibility) card and I handle most games maxed out with my R7 260x 2GB OC.
 
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thank you. i will analize your solution.
 
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Not so fast...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.24 @ Directron)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $394.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I thought you needed a monitor. Oh well....
 
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great man.
 
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Not So Fast! -Ace Attorney Reference.

Since when did this turn into a competition? I like what you did by the way, gigabyte H97 and then going for a 4150(even though the slightly higher 4160 is like 10 bucks more)
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4330 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($131.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Total: $399.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 11:21 EST-0500

I3-4330 higher clock, better CPU, H97, 8gb RAM, Corsair Sexy 300R, EVGA 80+ PSU.

However, if you have doubts about the PSU in this list(which from reviews from alot of builders, are extremely positive about this haswell ready PSU, so it makes it a smart buy) another list for you:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($111.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team Zeus Yellow 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $395.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 11:26 EST-0500

I downed it back down to a 4160, Team Zeus Yellow, and Rosewill has been a trusted PSU company for some of my rigs for the past years.
 
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The problem here is you're urging yourself to stick with power supplies that aren't great. The 620w might be overkill but It's a really good PSU. I wouldn't recommend any of the power supplies you've put in your list. ykki's build is fine in my opinion but he could drop down to a H97/H97M pro4 and maybe get a better case if possible.


 
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CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($83.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.24 @ Directron)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($41.20 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $401.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 20:22 EST-0500


One with a better case and a SLIGHTLY cheaper mobo.
My thoughts exactly with the psu. Sure your pc wouldn't consume loads of power but its from seasonic and not to mention contains some serious upgrade capability.
 
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"Supplies that aren't great," A power supply that "isn't great" would be from a No-Name brand PSU company that is guaranteed to fail. I am not just looking for cheap power supplies, I am also going by the reviewers of other builders like ourselves. For both they get positive reviews and the negative are usually faulty shipments of their units(Which cannot be avoided).

Your statements are completely one-sided as they go more for ykki. Yet you do not realize that the powersupplies I have recommended aren't "crap", but they are the best class for the price point.

To OP, I honestly DO NOT CARE who you select because this isn't a competition, but rather us trying to help you out with finding you a nice set of parts for your RIG.
 
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The rest of the components you provided aren't better while the PSU isn't as good as the Seasonic. That's why I preferred the one with a good power supply in the list. ykki's build has an H97 Pro4 motherboard and an absolutely quality power supply. I'm not saying this is a competition but his build was simply better. In the end It's the case you take the best build. Since there wasn't a clear identification for the OP to choose between the two builds I gave my opinion on which one I thought was better.

I stand to my point :p
 
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H97 Pro4, let's see, besides me suggesting an equally capable board. They both are practically the same, besides the Pro4 having the ability to crossfire they both have the same Tuning with the Pro4 having like 3-4 more softwares that aren't even useful(unless you want them), but they both have the important ones like A-Tuning, Power Protection, etc.

I chose the Anniversary because the OP is using a NVIDIA card which makes the option of crossfire rather useless.

So besides you just saying "Oh he has a H97Pro4 so he is better, I happen to let you know that the Anniversary is practically the same board. As well, EVGA and Rosewill are "GREAT" companies.

Linus, JaysTwoCentz, and other accomplished builders have used their supplies.

Just because it isn't "Seasonic" doesn't mean it sucks.

Again, I went with these because I trust EVGA and Rosewill.

So I stand by my point.


http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H97%20Pro4/


http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/h97%20anniversary/


Probably should read up on these boards. It's good to read about a board before making a decision :p


I rest my case.

Oh and so my choice of stronger Intel CPU's aren't better? :p
 
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I wouldn't us the ram fro ykki,1600mhz@cas11 is too high latency's,for 1600mhz ram would i not go over cas9.

For this card you already have something like this,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $400.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Another good psu,but for these specs way overkill,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-110b20750vr
when upgrading to a high end card would it be a good choice.Should survive many systems.
The 450watt capstone should be able to power a gtx 960 (1x6pin pcie needed) though with an i3 or i5 that couldn't be overclocked.

Other cheaper and decent case,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse400kkn2

Other difference between motherboards can be the soundchip for instance,the next has a very nice one,but is just out of budget with the parts like i chose them,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97performance
it would fit in with the cooler master case or another with the same price tag.

Memory/ram is also something that differs,more speed what it can take i mean,H97 boards can use up to 1600mhz ram,a Z97 can take ram with speeds of even 3000mhz.The cpu needs to be able to handle that too,for the i3 is 1600mhz good enough,but with a I5 4690K could higher speeds work although would it very likely need to be overclocked when going over 2133mhz.

The ability to do sli for instance is another difference that more expensive motherboards might support (Z97 and even not all of those like the one i chose for example does not support it) .The psu would need to be big enough as well and in the case of your gpu will it not work,it doesn't support sli anyway.
 
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Now this is a list :p, also helped me brush up on RAM x Mobo :D
 
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And that suddenly is a great list? I don't understand. What is better about it, despite the CAS 11 I didn't notice? The Z97 is great for a future upgrade to a k-processor. They are equally good with my preference going towards the better and MORE FUTURE PROOF Seasonic power supply.

The build doesn't necessarily mean it contains better parts, but it contains equally good parts with an even better power supply. I don't understand the logic behind this. I hope this makes sense.
 
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I understand that you pick seasonic over everything else,but the capstone is a good option for a psu and much more on budget (the seasonic is back at it's high price again).It's also powerfull enough to run that system with a gtx 960 as said.
The evga (B2) i linked as well is a very good option as well and for future upgrades probably better,but for the system as is is 450watts more than enough.
For a few dollars more is there also the XFX 550watt TS psu which would do fine too,even with higher end cards.Also seasonic made if you fancy that.According to the review at jonnyGuru is the 750watt B2 even at low loads still quite efficient so imo an evenly good choice,maybe even better when looking at being modular and the option for two gpu's.

The rest is just another view on the build.I included a nice 1600mhz ram kit which should do fine with this build,i tried to stay at $400 or else would i have picked the same ram at 1866mhz for a few dollars more.I think that the cpu could handle that and the "Z" board would anyway.Tried also to give another nice option for a case at that price point right now.
 
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