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Lucky_SLS
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4K HDR with 120hz refresh rate https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XG7B871/ref=sr_ob_10?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1494640493&sr=1-10
Without HDR for 500 bucks https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4TLD23/ref=sr_ob_9?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1494640493&sr=1-9
Without HDR for 500 bucks https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4TLD23/ref=sr_ob_9?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1494640493&sr=1-9
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just searched for 5 mins in amazon n got them. key words : 4k, 120hz. for a gaming TV, low response time like less than 4ms and high refresh rate is what u need. filtered out reputed current tech/gen TV for u above in that post. feel free to do more digging in the net 
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There are no true 120 hz 4k tv's, due to bandwidth limitations on hdmi 2.0. There is maybe a korean 4K tv that has a displayport but I don't think they run 120hz either, although dp 1.3 max bandwidth allows for 4K 120 hz. The samsungs run 60 hz 4K and most tv's will run 60 hz, what you want to look at is input lag.
Vizio had the best input lag at 4K but the pic quality isn't hte best. Samsungs are the 2nd fastest at around 20 ms with hdr and gamemode at 4K. LG, the 2016 models had input lag around 35 ms and some of the upper end may have received a firmware update to around 25 ish ms. The 2017 models are now at samsung levels---20 ms. Sony does not have good input lag at 4K either.
Vizio had the best input lag at 4K but the pic quality isn't hte best. Samsungs are the 2nd fastest at around 20 ms with hdr and gamemode at 4K. LG, the 2016 models had input lag around 35 ms and some of the upper end may have received a firmware update to around 25 ish ms. The 2017 models are now at samsung levels---20 ms. Sony does not have good input lag at 4K either.
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They will later this year, they're in the process now and launch sometime soon but they'll be expensive. 4K 144 hz, gsync/freesync, hdr. Most likely, the ability to actually push fps above 60 fps 4K ultra is why it wasn't pushed out.
I have both 4K tv and monitors, I prefer the size over the 28" 4K anyday of the week...it looks a lot better imo but with the 4K monitors, you can overclock them manually, mine are oc to 75 hz but I play on the samsung 95% of the time.
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Hopefully tv's start adopting hdmi 2.1 soon...that allows for true 4K 120 hz...maybe by the end of the year. They really should just pop a displayport on there too.
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Lucky_SLS :
^ whats the use of 2.1 if they r not gonna give 120hz panel. even the samsung is motion rate 120 and refresh rate 60.
if the TVs comes with 120hz refresh rate, it will costs the same as gaming monitors with HDR
if the TVs comes with 120hz refresh rate, it will costs the same as gaming monitors with HDR
You can't get tv sizes and they wont be that much more expensive than they are now because of volume vs monitors. And motion rate 120hz on a 60 hz panel is not true hz, it throws in an extra frame for every true frame or whatever but even then suffers and can stutter vs true higher refresh rate.
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Just because your TV says it has a refresh rate of 120Hz or 240Hz, does that mean it's actually refreshing at 120Hz or 240Hz? Nope, not necessarily. One of the latest marketing techniques, shall we say "gifts for fiction," is using different technology to approximate the effect of a higher refresh rate, without actually driving the TV at the higher rate.
Confused? Yep, that's the point. Hopefully I can deconfusify you.
The problem is, it's more expensive to make an LCD that refreshes at a higher rate, and "120Hz" and "240Hz" have been marketing gold for the TV manufacturers. So in an effort to drive the numbers ever higher (my 960 is better than your 480!) and include "higher refresh" in lower-priced TVs, the manufacturers have gotten a bit...creative.
Unlike contrast ratio, fake refresh numbers aren't complete fabrications. There's often a fairly simple (if logically dubious) method for determining each company's refresh rate claims. There are two primary methods for boosting the numbers, beyond actually using a faster refresh panel.
The first is a scanning or flashing backlight. All LCDs have a backlight to create the light used by the liquid crystal to create an image. Typically this is always on, or at least cycling at the same 60Hz the rest of the TV runs at. If the TV instead flashes this backlight rapidly, your eye would see the image, a moment of black, then the image again. It does this so fast, you don't see the flicker. Technically, you're seeing each frame of the image twice per second. This is a common practice, and can reduce motion blur. The issue is calling it "120Hz" when it's really just a 60Hz TV with a scanning backlight causing you to see the same frame twice in a row.
Another method for potentially reducing motion blur slightly, but increasing the claimed refresh rate a lot, is video processing. Often this is "motion smoothing."
Because so many TVs are marketed with a combination of the above either in addition to, or instead of, actually increasing the refresh rate, manufacturers don't want you to know what the actual refresh is. So here's what a few of them call their higher refresh tech, and what it really means.
LG TruMotion
LG isn't exactly transparent with its TruMotion tech. The description reads: "TruMotion increases the standard 60Hz refresh rate -- how often the image is rendered on the TV screen -- which drastically reduces blur and yields crisper details. It's a boon to all fast-action video, but most especially sports, so you won't miss a thing. LG TruMotion 120Hz, 240Hz, or 480Hz is available on select-model LCD TVs." Only one TV seems to have TruMotion 480Hz. The rest are TruMotion 240 or TruMotion 120. Their tech specs typically just say "Refresh rate: TruMotion 240Hz."
The one LG LED LCD we've reviewed so far this year, the 60LA8600, is listed by LG as "TruMotion (frame rate): 240Hz," and we found out from LG that it is a 240Hz refresh panel. On the other hand, last year's 55LM6700 had a claimed "240Hz effect" but actually had worse motion resolution than some 120Hz TVs. So don't assume their numbers describe the panel refresh.
Toshiba ClearScan and ClearFrame
Toshiba, like some of the other companies here, doesn't go into detail about its ClearScan and ClearFrame tech. "Toshiba ClearFrame 120Hz doubles normal 60Hz performance to reduce blurring caused by fast-action video. And our ClearScan 240Hz goes a step beyond, quadrupling the 60Hz rate to create a 240Hz effect. They both improve picture clarity dramatically, without impacting brightness or adding flicker. And for those who prefer a more film-like picture, ClearScan 240Hz also offers a 5:5 pull-down option."
Since the one ClearScan 120Hz TV we've reviewed of Toshiba's this year was most definitely a 60Hz LCD, it's, ahem, clear the company is taking liberties in what "120Hz" actually means.
Vizio SPS
"SPS (Scenes Per Second) combines advanced 120Hz technology with scanning backlight for enhanced detail." In other words, a "240Hz SPS" is a 120Hz TV with a scanning backlight. On the Web site, the company says things like "240Hz Effective Refresh Rate," "120Hz Effective Refresh Rate," and "Enhanced with smooth motion and backlight scanning for amazing sharpness," so it's being fairly upfront about what's going on...sort of. Here's what David found out with this year's E420i-A1: "Vizio actually uses the term '120Hz effective refresh rate' on this and other TVs, including the E601i-A3. But while that set has the smoothing and motion resolution we expect from a 120Hz TV, the E0i-A1 series has neither. That's why we're sticking with the '60Hz' specification, despite what Vizio says." In other words, Vizio has two TVs, both labeled with "120Hz effective refresh rate," but one is a 60Hz panel with backlight scanning and the other is a true 120Hz panel.
Confused? Yep, that's the point. Hopefully I can deconfusify you.
The problem is, it's more expensive to make an LCD that refreshes at a higher rate, and "120Hz" and "240Hz" have been marketing gold for the TV manufacturers. So in an effort to drive the numbers ever higher (my 960 is better than your 480!) and include "higher refresh" in lower-priced TVs, the manufacturers have gotten a bit...creative.
Unlike contrast ratio, fake refresh numbers aren't complete fabrications. There's often a fairly simple (if logically dubious) method for determining each company's refresh rate claims. There are two primary methods for boosting the numbers, beyond actually using a faster refresh panel.
The first is a scanning or flashing backlight. All LCDs have a backlight to create the light used by the liquid crystal to create an image. Typically this is always on, or at least cycling at the same 60Hz the rest of the TV runs at. If the TV instead flashes this backlight rapidly, your eye would see the image, a moment of black, then the image again. It does this so fast, you don't see the flicker. Technically, you're seeing each frame of the image twice per second. This is a common practice, and can reduce motion blur. The issue is calling it "120Hz" when it's really just a 60Hz TV with a scanning backlight causing you to see the same frame twice in a row.
Another method for potentially reducing motion blur slightly, but increasing the claimed refresh rate a lot, is video processing. Often this is "motion smoothing."
Because so many TVs are marketed with a combination of the above either in addition to, or instead of, actually increasing the refresh rate, manufacturers don't want you to know what the actual refresh is. So here's what a few of them call their higher refresh tech, and what it really means.
LG TruMotion
LG isn't exactly transparent with its TruMotion tech. The description reads: "TruMotion increases the standard 60Hz refresh rate -- how often the image is rendered on the TV screen -- which drastically reduces blur and yields crisper details. It's a boon to all fast-action video, but most especially sports, so you won't miss a thing. LG TruMotion 120Hz, 240Hz, or 480Hz is available on select-model LCD TVs." Only one TV seems to have TruMotion 480Hz. The rest are TruMotion 240 or TruMotion 120. Their tech specs typically just say "Refresh rate: TruMotion 240Hz."
The one LG LED LCD we've reviewed so far this year, the 60LA8600, is listed by LG as "TruMotion (frame rate): 240Hz," and we found out from LG that it is a 240Hz refresh panel. On the other hand, last year's 55LM6700 had a claimed "240Hz effect" but actually had worse motion resolution than some 120Hz TVs. So don't assume their numbers describe the panel refresh.
Toshiba ClearScan and ClearFrame
Toshiba, like some of the other companies here, doesn't go into detail about its ClearScan and ClearFrame tech. "Toshiba ClearFrame 120Hz doubles normal 60Hz performance to reduce blurring caused by fast-action video. And our ClearScan 240Hz goes a step beyond, quadrupling the 60Hz rate to create a 240Hz effect. They both improve picture clarity dramatically, without impacting brightness or adding flicker. And for those who prefer a more film-like picture, ClearScan 240Hz also offers a 5:5 pull-down option."
Since the one ClearScan 120Hz TV we've reviewed of Toshiba's this year was most definitely a 60Hz LCD, it's, ahem, clear the company is taking liberties in what "120Hz" actually means.
Vizio SPS
"SPS (Scenes Per Second) combines advanced 120Hz technology with scanning backlight for enhanced detail." In other words, a "240Hz SPS" is a 120Hz TV with a scanning backlight. On the Web site, the company says things like "240Hz Effective Refresh Rate," "120Hz Effective Refresh Rate," and "Enhanced with smooth motion and backlight scanning for amazing sharpness," so it's being fairly upfront about what's going on...sort of. Here's what David found out with this year's E420i-A1: "Vizio actually uses the term '120Hz effective refresh rate' on this and other TVs, including the E601i-A3. But while that set has the smoothing and motion resolution we expect from a 120Hz TV, the E0i-A1 series has neither. That's why we're sticking with the '60Hz' specification, despite what Vizio says." In other words, Vizio has two TVs, both labeled with "120Hz effective refresh rate," but one is a 60Hz panel with backlight scanning and the other is a true 120Hz panel.
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Yeah, the x34 and the asus swift equivelant are really nice, x35 is way too big for 2560x1080. They have a 38" 75 hz freesync--3840x1600, they call 4K but we know the deal and probably 100hz gsync same model coming out later this year. That's about the biggest now, there is an actual 40" monitor, can't remember who though but it's standard 16:9.
I think there may be a 40-42" ish ultrawide 21;9 high refresh, quantum dot, gsync/freesync hdr in the works somewhere but it's not out yet.
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Yeah, that's good andy...There's several things they do or can do to try to mimic it but they also add latency and input lag and I'm pretty sure you have to run outside of gamemode, which introduces even more input lag.
Lucky_SLS
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u can run the 1080 in 1080p. but it has to be a G sync to utilize that power. even then 1080 isan overkill for FHD. and u cant have that TVs. 2k is the minimum. a 2k 144hz is the sweet spot. again, not possible in TVs. so those TVs i listed above r pretty much the best options. especially that samsung with HDR is a great deal.
P.S.: dont u have screen tearing in that 1080p? or do u cap the fps in in-game settings?
P.S.: dont u have screen tearing in that 1080p? or do u cap the fps in in-game settings?
Lucky_SLS
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if u can limit ur in game fps settings to ur monitor refresh rate, u r good. otherwise, like i said above, u will have screen tearing which spoils the gaming experience. thats when g sync can help. dunno what monitor u have now. but make sure to cap the fps is all i am saying. enabling v sync with triple buffering can eliminate screen tearing, but will most probably make the gameplay a bit choppy.
yes but that is not waht i am asking.... i am asking perhaps a subjective question... is it stupid to play on 1080p when i can play on 4k on my gfx card.... because i dont have a 4k display...... or is it too stupid.. and i should get a 4k display asap.. instead of waiting...
what i am trying to ask is that.... am i using my gfx wrong if i run it on 1080p .. am i missin gout on my hardware in a stupid way?
what i am trying to ask is that.... am i using my gfx wrong if i run it on 1080p .. am i missin gout on my hardware in a stupid way?
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