Gaming At 1920x1080: AMD's Trinity Takes On Intel's HD Graphics

[ChromeTusk]

Thanks for the article. I agree with your conclusion and it is similar to how the "family" PC is different from my main rig.

 

[Wisecracker]

QFMFT! ... They are just now getting up on par with whats inside the
consoles (360/PS3) ...

QFMFT!-not :lol: Otherwise, you were doing great.

Can't wait to see an OC'd Trinity with the graphics pumped up.

Really, really can't wait to see Kaveri with HD7750 GCN cores in gaming and APU processing.

 

[blader15sk8]

[citation][nom]gondor[/nom]Can you run a memory-scaling test to see how Trinity responds to more bandwidth ? Llano was considerably faster when paired with faster RAM.[/citation]

I am extremely curious about this too. I was a bit disappointed to see both systems only tested with DDR3 1600.. I bet Trinity will pull a bit further ahead with more memory bandwidth, especially at 1080p.

 

[shin0bi272]

[citation][nom]luciferano[/nom]Actually, the A10 and A8 have somewhat superior graphics compared to current consoles. Current consoles can't even play in 720p as well as these AMD IGPs played 1080p despite being a more optimized platform, so that this is true is kinda obvious IMO. Also, new games would simply mean dropping resolution for these APUs. They wouldn't be unable to play new games, just probably at 1080p and 16xx by 900/10xx resolutions too.Intel probably isn't very motivated by gaming performance for their IGPs and they're supposedly making roughly 100% performance gains per generation with their top-end IGPs anyway, so they're working on growing IGP performance. AMD also gets to use GCN in their next APU and I don't think that I need to explain the implications there, especially if they go the extra mile with using their high-density library tech too.[/citation]

You missed the point entirely but good try. These are cpus for your computer and they arent even performing at the same FPS rate as the current consoles is what I was saying. Of course you just see someone dissing AMD and instantly go into attack mode. Dont read and comprehend or anything nooo that might take some effort. Just STFU and sit down. The 360 DOES support displaying 1080p but most of the games are run at 720 and then upconverted. So basically youre talking about stuff you dont even understand and are making an ass of yourself. Please go away.

 

[army_ant7]

You missed the point entirely but good try. These are cpus for your computer and they arent even performing at the same FPS rate as the current consoles is what I was saying. Of course you just see someone dissing AMD and instantly go into attack mode. Dont read and comprehend or anything nooo that might take some effort. Just STFU and sit down. The 360 DOES support displaying 1080p but most of the games are run at 720 and then upconverted. So basically youre talking about stuff you dont even understand and are making an ass of yourself. Please go away.

And those consoles and their hardware are designed for TV's (a lot of which are 1080p now). PC's can also have 720p and lower monitor resolutions, if ever you're saying that it should be 1080p just because it's a PC.

The game are not rendered at 1080p. Big difference. Do you see review sites comparing benchmarks at different resolutions as a basis of processing prowess? Try running the PC counterparts at the same resolution, and at the same graphics detail settings, then you compare their FPS. Even that may not be a perfect comparison because of the games are programmed for consoles and PC's, but that's more accurate/reasonable than comparing 1080p to 720p (and lower) performance.

Other than that, you need to learn some manners and stop being so close-minded as if you know you're absolutely right. Being (proven) wrong is something that normal humans may experience a lot and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Now being proven wrong after you brag and shoot your mouth off like this, that's to be ashamed of.

 

[ceh4702]

So who is paying for a MATX board for an HTPC for $120? The ASROCK MATX motherboard costs $69. Why pay more than that?

I really dont see this whole article's point of view. Why play games on integrated grapics. It is unrealistic, except for older games and low-end games. However, I was playing Halo on my PC a while back on integrated graphics on my Intel DG35EC MB and it was playing pretty darn good at 720p with an E7200 CPU. This is like 3-5 year old technology. I am going to build a computer sometime soon to replace it, but I really trust Intel more than AMD. I have had issues with prior AMD products, and I am never going down that road again.

 

[mousseng]

I really dont see this whole article's point of view.

I think the point is that integrated graphics are coming to a point where they can deliver a better living room experience than a set-top box like a 360 or PS3 can - in addition to functioning as a media center, they'll soon be able to play games at higher resolutions and details than consoles are able to, as well as still provide the versatility of a regular PC (if they so desire). They've still a long way to go (especially with the next generation of consoles coming soon), but it's an important milestone in the development of integrated graphics.

 

[Wisecracker]

Poster comparing Intel integrated GMA X3500 on s775 to a Trinity APU with SIMD graphics engine that performs beyond a discreet Radeon HD5570 ....

Difference of 18 levels on the THG GPU hierarchy :lol:

 

[cats_Paw]

"We played the Day of the Assault (Morning) battle and found that The Witcher 2 isn’t as demanding as Crysis 2, but it’s not far off."

Yeah... low quality vs high quality....

 

[mousseng]

"We played the Day of the Assault (Morning) battle and found that The Witcher 2 isn’t as demanding as Crysis 2, but it’s not far off."

Yeah... low quality vs high quality....

Just so you know, High quality is Crysis's lowest video setting. It's a sort of tongue-in-cheek thing Crytek did, since the big thing about those games is their graphical fidelity. Their scale goes something along the lines of High, Ultra, Extreme (or something).

 

[luciferano]

[citation][nom]shin0bi272[/nom]You missed the point entirely but good try. These are cpus for your computer and they arent even performing at the same FPS rate as the current consoles is what I was saying. Of course you just see someone dissing AMD and instantly go into attack mode. Dont read and comprehend or anything nooo that might take some effort. Just STFU and sit down. The 360 DOES support displaying 1080p but most of the games are run at 720 and then upconverted. So basically youre talking about stuff you dont even understand and are making an ass of yourself. Please go away.[/citation]

You're talking about things that you don't understand. It doesn't matter that the 360 and the PS3 support 1080p because NO GAMES CAN RUN AT THAT RESOLUTION ON THOSE CONSOLES. If you want to drop video quality to console levels, then these IGPs would be several times faster than the consoles. You're making irrelevant, nonsensical comparisons and it's ridiculous. It's not about you dissing AMD, you're simply acting as if it matter that a console playing at several times inferior quality getting superior FPS in one game matters whatsoever when there is no way in which it matters. Drop the resolution on these IGPs to 720p and overclock that IGP and the consoles have nothing on it in performance nor quality. Heck, you could instead drop to just under 720p and turn on some AA, something that consoles also lack.

 

[luciferano]

[citation][nom]ceh4702[/nom]So who is paying for a MATX board for an HTPC for $120? The ASROCK MATX motherboard costs $69. Why pay more than that?I really dont see this whole article's point of view. Why play games on integrated grapics. It is unrealistic, except for older games and low-end games. However, I was playing Halo on my PC a while back on integrated graphics on my Intel DG35EC MB and it was playing pretty darn good at 720p with an E7200 CPU. This is like 3-5 year old technology. I am going to build a computer sometime soon to replace it, but I really trust Intel more than AMD. I have had issues with prior AMD products, and I am never going down that road again.[/citation]

All of the newest games can be played on the Trinity A10s, so you're not making any sense. They're not going to run great, but that's to be expected. these are just entry level graphics, what do you expect from them, to compete with the Radeon 6770?

 

[ilikegirls]

Does this mean an A10 CPU laptop is the best laptop for gaming with an integrated GPU that i can get for cheap?

 

[de5_Roy]

Does this mean an A10 CPU laptop is the best laptop for gaming with an integrated GPU that i can get for cheap?

theoretically, yes. factors other than the apu can drive up the overall cost of the laptop e.g. higher res display, optical drive, ssd, bigger mobile hdd, presense of discreet gpu etc. usually, laptops with amd mobile apus cost less and deliver better igpu-powered gaming experience compared to intel's igpus.

 

[ilikegirls]

theoretically, yes. factors other than the apu can drive up the overall cost of the laptop e.g. higher res display, optical drive, ssd, bigger mobile hdd, presense of discreet gpu etc. usually, laptops with amd mobile apus cost less and deliver better igpu-powered gaming experience compared to intel's igpus.

Yeah that was what I was aiming for. I figured an A10 APU equipped laptop could handle most game like Starcraft II, League of Legends, Minecraft, and maybe even Skyrim on low settings at a reasonable price. What are you thoughts on this?

This is granted I get a normal res (1600x900) laptop with no blue ray or anything like that.

 

[de5_Roy]

Yeah that was what I was aiming for. I figured an A10 APU equipped laptop could handle most game like Starcraft II, League of Legends, Minecraft, and maybe even Skyrim on low settings at a reasonable price. What are you thoughts on this?

This is granted I get a normal res (1600x900) laptop with no blue ray or anything like that.

the igpus in a10 apus can handle those games. after you settle on your choice of apu, check for other factors like battery ratings, price range, warranties and aftersales service, weight etc.
mobile apu review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-4600m-trinity-piledriver,3202.html
don't forget to search for individual laptop reviews after you select a range of models.

 

[ilikegirls]

the igpus in a10 apus can handle those games. after you settle on your choice of apu, check for other factors like battery ratings, price range, warranties and aftersales service, weight etc.
mobile apu review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-4600m-trinity-piledriver,3202.html
don't forget to search for individual laptop reviews after you select a range of models.

Yeah Will do, thank you so much. I feel like with these new igpus I'll be ables to get nice laptops and game on them without breaking the bank!

 

[youssef 2010]

This is a good progress. Maybe in 5 or 6 years, They'd reach the performance level of discrete graphics. But for now, playing every game on low isn't an option

 

[luciferano]

[citation][nom]youssef 2010[/nom]This is a good progress. Maybe in 5 or 6 years, They'd reach the performance level of discrete graphics. But for now, playing every game on low isn't an option[/citation]

It is for entry level gamers who would have bought a 6670 DDR3 or worse, a huge portion of modern gamers.

 

[Wisecracker]

This is a good progress. Maybe in 5 or 6 years, They'd reach the performance level of discrete graphics. But for now, playing every game on low isn't an option

BIG swing and a miss !! :lol:

The Trinity APU graphics engine blows past the HD5570, and nudges up against the GT640, before over-clocking and fast RAMs, and slays DX11 like tessellation and ambient occlusion.

Next-Gen on FM2 Kaveri APUs (2013) incorporate GCN HD7750 cores. That should be fun

 

[munjoo238]

Games should be at 1080p at least

 

[Mitrovah]

how does the new amd compare to a i5 with HD 4000 graphics? most of the tests are amd against an i3

 

[mousseng]

how does the new amd compare to a i5 with HD 4000 graphics? most of the tests are amd against an i3

You probably wouldn't see much improvement from an i5 over the i3-3225, which has HD 4000. The GPU is the bottleneck in almost all cases here, but maybe in some games you'd see a slight performance boost.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

how does the new amd compare to a i5 with HD 4000 graphics? most of the tests are amd against an i3

no real performance increase. the GPU is the bottleneck there. a better idea would be to get faster memory (1866 or 2133), set it in dual channel, and then overclock the integrated GPU. the Hxx and Zxx chipsets can do this. or just wait for haswell, which will hopefully give us a mini itx board with the GT3e gpu.

 

[AK B]

*yawn* My eyebrows will rise only when integrated graphics overtake budget dedicated GPUs. FYI, a generally good CPU+budget GPU costs less than one of these overpriced integrateds.