Gaming Build Challenge For the Toms Hardware Community

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Challenge: Build the best gaming setup you can for 1500 US dollars.It must include Cpu, graphics card, motherboard ,8 gigs of ram , a case, hard drive and an ssd, a purchased os, an optical drive for installing the os, a keyboard, a mouse ,speakers , wifi compatibility, and a monitor.
I believe this to be almost impossible.
Prove me wrong
 
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There is plenty of room in the budget to upgrade to SLI ready components if that's a requirement. The note about the RAM can be ignored, but this build has been upgraded with an SLI ready motherboard, RAM that runs at lower voltage, and a large PSU that will allow for SLI in the future. There's also some room in the budget for a nice LED IPS monitor.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X...

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I'm not building the end product :/
I'm testing how effective the community is because at this point it looks like it's failing.
Once again please prove me wrong
 
This has everything you asked for and is well under budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Directron)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 22M35D 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.22 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($26.99 @ NCIX US)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1313.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-06 13:09 EST-0500
 

mdocod

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LAN Party ready ultra-portable Gaming build. ITX. Wifi Onboard. E3+GTX970 happen face. All the "junk" included. Right on budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling ACFZ11-LP Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($15.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H97I AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.08 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M550 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($338.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Lian-Li PC-TU100A Mini ITX Tower Case ($95.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SN-208FB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Directron)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($92.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: AOC i2267Fw 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($29.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1408.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-06 13:11 EST-0500

That leaves $90 to pick a set of speakers... If forced to pick I'd go with the Logitech Z523 for this build submission and I actually have some very technical reasons for that selection that I will not get into here.
 

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Very nice!
What would happen if some one who owned this build wished to sli or over-clock in the future?
 

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SLI and overclocking support are specific features of a build that you need to request up front.

Shortstuff's build does not support an SLI upgrade path, but is overclocking ready to an extent.
 


This build will overclock no problem with no additional hardware. If you want to SLI, the ONLY thing needing replaced would be the PSU and motherboard. The motherboard could be swapped out to avoid needing a new motherboard for SLI.
 

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What motherboard should be added in this case?
And what about these compatibility notes?
Compatibility Notes
The G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.65V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
 
There is plenty of room in the budget to upgrade to SLI ready components if that's a requirement. The note about the RAM can be ignored, but this build has been upgraded with an SLI ready motherboard, RAM that runs at lower voltage, and a large PSU that will allow for SLI in the future. There's also some room in the budget for a nice LED IPS monitor.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC i2267Fw 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.28 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($26.99 @ NCIX US)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1433.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-06 15:08 EST-0500
 
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Is the monitor big enough to game on
 

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you realize Xeon processors are not suitable for gaming at all?
Xeon's are used for servers, they are not focussed on gaming in any way.

just like GPU's, we use Radeon and Geforce for gaming.
Nobody uses Firepro or Quadro cards, because they are not suitable for gaming, and also highly overpriced.

Same thing with Xeons, although i haven't seen alot of benchmarks on them

UPDATE:

more stuff thats faulty in the build, the CPU Cooler chosen is just as crap as a stock cooler.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Arctic-Cooling-Freezer-11-LP-CPU-Cooler-Review/1183/6

With a GTX 970 and Xeon stamped into an ITX case, it would more then likely overheat within minutes of starting it up?
Also for a 1500 dollar build, you only have 8 GB of ram, not even dual but single channel?

And even if it works out, 450Watts won't be enough when your gaming on Ultra, and it will shutdown itself
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.75 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($6.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($130.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M550 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($348.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 22M35D 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN951N 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi Adapter ($28.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($26.99 @ NCIX US)
Speakers: Creative Labs Inspire T6160 50W 5.1ch Speakers ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1472.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-06 16:59 EST-0500

You could swap out surround speakers for 2.1 speakers if you don't have the space for it, would decrease costs.
also you could take better keyboard/mouse. However i dont see how a more expensive keyboard would make you better in gaming. its all about personal skill to me.
 

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False. The 1231v3 is nothing more than an i7 4770 without IGP, and has a lower TDP than an i5 4690k. Also 450w is technically enough for a system using less than 300w. I would go with this, for mini-itx.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet CPU Cooler ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($145.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M550 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($338.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($92.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($156.98 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($26.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1385.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-06 17:19 EST-0500
 


I've been guilty many times of asserting things I only *thought* I knew. Still hilarious when someone else does it, though.
 

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Xeon is a marketing distinction, not a technological distinction. The Xeon E3 series mirrors the CORE series. Same architecture, same platform, same performance.

Xeon's are used for servers, they are not focussed on gaming in any way.

Correction: Xeons are marketed to enterprise and professional customers, while the CORE series is marketed to gamers and non-professionals. The "focus" of the marketing is irrelevant to the performance. An E3-1231V3 is a quad core hyperthreaded 3.4ghz haswell with 3.8ghz turbo speeds. Being labeled a Xeon has absolutely no effect on performance here.

just like GPU's, we use Radeon and Geforce for gaming.
Nobody uses Firepro or Quadro cards, because they are not suitable for gaming, and also highly overpriced.

There is architecturally no difference between gaming and workstation GPUs. The additional cost for the workstation GPU is in most cases nothing more than specialized software level support.

Same thing with Xeons, although i haven't seen alot of benchmarks on them
So you're admitting you know nothing about the subject, but are throwing all these "facts that you know" around here as if you're some sort of expert.
You're making a total fool of yourself here.

UPDATE:
more stuff thats faulty in the build, the CPU Cooler chosen is just as crap as a stock cooler.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Arctic-Cooling-Freezer-11-LP-CPU-Cooler-Review/1183/6
Man you are really digging yourself a grave on this one...

The test performed there is on an overclocked 32nm Lynfield. The dynamics of the thermal load there are totally different than a stock clocked haswell, which has higher thermal density and lower overall dissipation. While the peak thermal dissipation capacity of the i11 LP is no better than the stock intel cooler, when we use it in applications BELOW the peak dissipation capacity, it produces better deltas with less noise than the stock Intel cooler, typically 15C cooler and quieter at the same time. The i11 LP is in fact, a superb upgrade to the stock intel cooler for stock clocked haswell Xeon selected because the heatpipe configuration is well utilized without being pushed into non-linear territory like it is on the overclocked lynfield you have chosen to base your negligent opinion on.


With a GTX 970 and Xeon stamped into an ITX case, it would more then likely overheat within minutes of starting it up?
The case will have no problems with the power dissipation of the machine. I think you should take your from-the-hip conjecture somewhere else, you're just making a mess with your guesswork here.

Also for a 1500 dollar build, you only have 8 GB of ram, not even dual but single channel?
A dual ranked single channel configuration offers comparable performance to a dual channel single ranked configuration of memory for the type of workloads anticipated here. Single channel was chosen to ensure an open, non-destructive upgrade path to 16GB on the ITX motherboard.

If you think the value of the build is poor, it's because you have no appreciation for any of the quality or features that have been selected for it. You're representative of a typical, lazy, amateur system builder who looks at largely superficial specifications without consideration of other qualities.

And even if it works out, 450Watts won't be enough when your gaming on Ultra, and it will shutdown itself
The peak power dissipation of the machine as configured, (FurMark+P95 torture test) is ~365W. The typical gaming power dissipation is actually under 300W. Again, you're shooting from the hip with your guesswork. I've actually tested the power dissipation of lots of hardware and know what this machine needs to run. You are obviously basing your "expertise" on bogus sources or your own faulty intuition.

The 450W PSU selected in my build has been used in professionally designed and commercially sold Steam machines with GTX780Ti's and i7's. The PSU is fine.
 

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That case looks to have problems, is this true?
 


I don't understand your question. You quoted a post about monitors. If you're talking about the Corsair 200R then I would like to know what problems you're referring to. The Corsair 200R is a great budget case by a quality manufacturer.
 

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The quote was a mistake and as for what I'm asking I'm not saying it's bad I've just heard bad things
I've heard of piece falling off slightly
Flimsy insides
Inconvenient amount of usbs
and something about in not being grounded on all side...idk what that means
 
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