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Hey guys!

So I finally saved enough (about $1200) for a gaming pc. However, I would like to find out a little bit more about the more technical aspects and terms of what i am buying exactly. So this is my first time building my own computer, thus, I have a lot of questions. I know that these questions might be very basic and many of you might not bother answering these so I want to thank you guys beforehand. THANK YOU!!! =]


This is my build so far (with the help of some members on this forum):

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/25yuu

My first question is what is the 3570k mean for my processor? Would a 4670k make a big difference?

My second concern is in regards to cooling my computer. I want my computer to have AS MUCH cooling as possible and i hear liquid cooling is good how should I go about doing that? Is it okay to liquid cool and add multiple normal fans as well?

I also want my motherboard to be super future proof. So is the mother board that I have on this list compatible with a lot of future uprgrades i might possibly be doing? What should I look for when I am choosing a new mother board?

Is there a difference between MSI Geforce gtx770 graphics cards and EVEGA or NVIDIA? Or are they all the same?

I love the corsair 500R atx mid tower case but is it a good case to use for the features that I want? I know accessiblity is important in cases. For example, the harddrive should face towards you and not the ;motherboard but i dont know how to tell that when buying a case. And what does ATX, mini atx and etc mean? What is the best when it comes to ATX and all the different types?

Windows 7 or Windows 8? lol.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AGAIN!!! I AM BOUND TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT YEAH THIS IS SUPER LONG!

 
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3570 is an unlocked i5 Ivy Bridge quad core. The 4670 is an basically the same thing except its a Haswell. Haswell is the latest greatest tech in cpu's. Would it make a big difference? No but it would make a difference. If the price is the same, buy the Haswell.


The easiest way to liquid cool is a prebuilt cooler. I'm partial to the Corsair H100i but there are many other options...
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No big advantage from 4670k & 3570k. Are you overclocking? Then your air cooler (212) is just fine. I have a corsair graphite series case with Corsair AP fans and it's a very cool case. Yours should be as well, dependent on your room conditions. Unless you buy the top line Motherboard, even then tech changes so fast that none are super future proof.Nvidia & AMD are the different graphics cards. Your card is a Nvidia card and you picked a great card, very solid choice. I'm using a MSi gtx670 PE and no compliants here. Get windows 7 it is much better and easier to navigate, make sure it's 64bit windows. So great choice of hardware that should play well together for work and play, enjoy.
 
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The two processors are different versions.
the "K" in the end means it is unlocked for you to overclock.

If you overclock a CPU it just means you're giving it more juice to run faster. (It will run hotter as well with more power, so you need good cooling)


any of those two processors are fine, no difference at all.

as for a motherboard, you can't really future proof a motherboard as the socket type of the cpu will be the same.

As for the GTX 770, the different brands such as EVGA, MSI, NVidia, are different companies that make the same gpu.
They are different in their own way.
Some have more Memory, superclocked, and different cooling style.
You'll have to look it up.

The 500R is great. I have one with a large RAD closed loop water cooler.

You won't need to really cool your pc with closed loop coolers, or custom water cooling unless you're going to overclock.
Even so, the Evo 212 is decent with overclocking.

Windows 7 will have less errors than the windows 8, and is supported with way more games.

When it comes to tower Size (mAtx, Atx, full atx)
the best imo is the standard Atx, such as the 500r

it will give you a LOT of room to work with, sli up to 4 cards, and its just not as huge as the full tower, which is a pain to have, and move around.
 
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1. The 3570K can typically be overclocked a little more than the 4670K, but the 4670K gets a little more performance per GHz. So at stock the 4670K is a little faster; overclocked, they're pretty much the same. The 4670K is newer though, and supports newer instructions. That may make its performance pull ahead of the 3570K over the coming years, as more software is written to take advantage of newer instructions.

2. Liquid cooling is only worth it when you go very high-end. The top all-in-one kits on the market, or custom loops. Smaller ones don't cool any better than air coolers, but cost more and typically make more noise too. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is really good value for money, but you could always upgrade to a slightly more expensive air cooler if a really high-end water cooler isn't going to fit your budget.

3. Well, you can pretty much forget about CPU upgrades. That board uses the old LGA 1155 socket; Intel moved to the LGA 1150 socket with the Core i5-4670K and friends. And LGA 1150 itself probably won't see any major upgrades either, though at least there's a chance to get Broadwell CPUs (like a Core i5-5670K or whatever they'd call it). It supports a lot of other upgrades. GPUs and at least one more SSD (only two SATA3 ports, which you need to get the full benefit of an SSD). A newer motherboard, with the LGA 1150 socket, would add more SATA3 ports.

4. Small differences in the circuitboard and more significant differences in the cooler used. They can also change the stock clocks of the card, but the basic hardware is the same and thus performance isn't going to vary too much.

5. The Corsair 500R is a nice case. ATX is the standard that ensures cases, motherboards, power supplies etc. work together. It's also a name for the "full-size" motherboards. Micro-ATX is a smaller motherboard standard that otherwise is fully compatible. Mini-ITX is even smaller. Cases obviously also come in these various sizes; typically larger cases will also fit the smaller motherboards, eg. a micro-ATX motherboard will almost always work in an ATX case.

6. Windows whatever. 8 has some minor improvements over 7, but is basically very similar behind the scenes. The UI is just very different. Whether you prefer 7 or 8 is a matter of taste... though 8 is certainly more suited for touchscreens than 7 (some conclude that 8 is therefore worse for non-touchscreens, but opinions differ on that point).
 
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3570 is an unlocked i5 Ivy Bridge quad core. The 4670 is an basically the same thing except its a Haswell. Haswell is the latest greatest tech in cpu's. Would it make a big difference? No but it would make a difference. If the price is the same, buy the Haswell.


The easiest way to liquid cool is a prebuilt cooler. I'm partial to the Corsair H100i but there are many other options.


That's a hard question to answer. The motherboard sets what the computer is good for. It also depends on what you mean by future proof. I personally don't see any computer being current enough after 5 years so for me, future proof has to last 3-5. Almost any decent board should do that.


No. They are not the same. Nvidia makes the actual chips and the reference cards. MSI and EVGA build aftermarket versions of those cards.


Yes.

ATX, mini ATX, and Micro ATX are form factors. Basically they refer to the physical size of the motherboard. Which is better depends on how much room you have.


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You're welcome and yes it is.
 
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Thank you guys so much. What are some high end liquid coolers? Do they require alot of maintence?

So i know the corsair 500R case comes with fans i believe. Is I was wondering how do people get cool lights on their computers? I think its the fans do i need specific fans for those?

Ahh Sakkura mentioned that upgrading would be difficult for this PC build. Is there a better motherboard that have those LGA 1150 sockets you mentioned?

Also i am thinking of getting 16gb of ram. People tell me its not necessary is that true?

I had also forgot to mention that my ultimate goal is to set up a dual (maybe triple) monitor. If i remember correctly the GTX 770 does support that but would that add more heat where I would need more fans/liquid cooling?

Please feel free to edit my computer parts and link me to a version that might better or something.
 
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The easiest way to liquid cool is a prebuilt cooler. I'm partial to the Corsair H100i but there are many other options.

Is it okay to buy the Corsair H100i and also extra fans or is that unnecessary?

That's a hard question to answer. The motherboard sets what the computer is good for. It also depends on what you mean by future proof. I personally don't see any computer being current enough after 5 years so for me, future proof has to last 3-5. Almost any decent board should do that.

Ohhh is there a motherboard that you prefer or recommend?



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Corsair 100i is one high-end liquid cooler. Not really any more maintenance than an air cooler - just blowing dust out of the radiator once in a while.

You can get fans with LED lights. But for the really powerful lights, you'd want cold cathode lights.

There's a full range of newer LGA 1150 motherboards, just like with the old LGA 1155 ones. For overclocking, you'd want a motherboard with the Z87 chipset. Asrock Z87 Extreme3 is an affordable option with good upgrade potential. Or the Extreme4 version, the direct successor to the Z77 Extreme4 in your list.

16 GB RAM is overkill for current games. But it may become an advantage within the next couple of years.

Adding more monitors won't really make your graphics card (or CPU) make more heat. It will result in lower FPS though. The higher resolution also demands more memory on the graphics card. You might want to go for a card with more than 2 GB memory for that. There are 4 GB versions of the GTX 770, for a premium. There's also the R9 280X, which has 3 GB memory and comparable performance; its price has spiked a lot recently though. And then there are the faster, more expensive cards like the GTX 780 (with 3 GB) and the R9 290 (with 4 GB).
 
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the 500r will come with two front 120mm fans that light up white

and on the side a 140mm fan that also lights up white, and a standard fan for the exhaust.

if you want custom lights with different colors you'll need different fans.

as for water cooling.
there are two types.
1. closed loop coolers (ex h100i)
2. custom water cooling (you'll have to maintenance every so often to refill water and check for leaks

most popular water cooled method is the closed loop.
there is little to no maintenance on those coolers.
as it's sealed and already ready for installation

and yes the lga1150 will have better motherboards, such as the rampage

as for ram, you definitely wont need 16gb unless you are video rendering.
4gb was sufficient a couple years ago now 8gb is the sweet spot.
 
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The h100i is not a high end liquid cooler.
it's a high end closed loop cooler.

Custom kits will outperform by centuries ahead in cooling.
 
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Ohh are there any fans you would recommend that have those lights?

Also, how do you go about choosing ram?are the G skill ones good? Are there better ones?
 
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If i get the Corsair H100i, would that fan and the fans included in the case be enough? Or is it a pretty good idea to add more?

Also what is Custom kits?
 
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High end liquid coolers means custom built. Not something I would recommend a beginner tackle. Prebuilt water coolers are available from Corsair, Cooler Master, NZXT, and many others. Maintenance is a little higher than air cooled because you have to clean the fins on the rad every month or two. Depending on how it's set up, that could mean actually taking out the rad (which is what I do).

If you're not going to overclock the cpu, this is moot. Water cooling a stock cpu is a waste of money. If you're staying stock, air cool (hyper 212 evo).

Don't know if the 500R comes with lighted fans. My 600T did but I think they were white. You can get fans with different lighting. You can also get stand-alone strip lighting.

There are many mobos with the 1150 socket.

Depending on what you're doing with the pc, you may not need 16GB of ram. My feeling is it's better to have too much than too little though.

Dual is not too bad but triple monitor is a game changer. If you want to play the latest games on high or ultra settings, you need a minimum of 3GB of vram and the fastest gpu you can afford. In a single card, you looking at the GTX 780ti 3GB or the R9 290X 4GB. I personally think you're better off doing multiple cards for triple monitors. I intend to replace my cards with two 4GB 770's in the next month or two. Cooling the cards depends on which card and case air flow. For example, the EVGA 770 with the ACX cooler will stay cool even when plugged into three monitors.
 
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The h100i is PERFECT for the 500r
the top has a spot for the rad itself.
and you won't have to worry about fans at all, it will come with two.

You won't need to be too worried about cooling, you'll have plenty.
this is what a h100i looks like.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY1cQnxMCsf-J-AGY-U6bWxnb_REUyVr5Zt6PZ6FnZNTgcwEEV8Q

which is a closed loops cooler, almost all look the same, except the radiator differs in size.

a CUSTOM water cooling kit looks like this
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTM1kuOjso8Gx0Q9iU07nJgXc7CkGkBA8fVJdDYSCSFHKGuSxG

you'll have to attach all the tubings yourself get custom blocks to fit the cpu/gpu
and refill the water "tank" when needed.

this is too the extreme imo, not many people do it.
 
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and as for everyone saying to just get an evo 212.
If you're looking to save money, then the evo 212 will do just fine.

If you want something that will provide more room to work with, better cooling, and longer lifespan of a cpu (reduced heat)
then a closed loop cooler will be perfect :)

air coolers take too much room, and are just ugly imo.
 
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Man has a point. They do kinda just stick out there. 😗

 
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Ahh okay so the corsair H100i it is then because a little bit extra cant hurt.

Ohhh i see...so maybe ill stick to dual monitors. Can someone recommend good monitors with thing rims that are around 150-200?

How do you choose good ram? Is the corsiar ram any better than other brands of ram? (I just like corsair in general).
 
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Depends on how long you want to wait for stuff to load. Go 7200 rpm or better.

 
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It's high end compared to most of the closed loop coolers on the market, which account for the majority of the water cooling sales. So yes, it is high end. Just not nearly as extreme as a custom loop.
 
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Water coolers are too noisy and expensive though, and don't increase the CPU lifespan in practice.
 
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Water coolers are not noisy at all.
unless your custom looping it, you can barely hear the pump on the h60 h80i h100i and some other brands.
the fans themselves are a bit loud like air coolers have, but in that cause you can just get some noctua fans or some other high end fan.
I've worked with many closed loops, and you won't even notice the pump.

@sleepylion
yes RPM speed determines how fast your computer can read off your hard drive.
7200rpm is the default for most.

but since you have an ssd in your build, just put your operating system in that, and your main games, and you will be fine
 
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Yes they are. Water coolers are generally louder than air coolers.

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You're just being ridiculous now, even with STOCK fans 44DB is not noticeable.
and compared to a evo 212, you won't NEED to have the same RPM with that cooling.

water cooling itself is NOT louder.
in that case like i said if you're worried about a 3DB sound increase... then upgrade to a better NOCTUA
and you can't really compare the evo 212 as its not even a HIGH end cooler, it's a cheap popular choice.
 
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