[SOLVED] Gaming pc upgrade advice needed

[hussassasin]

Hi guys,
I already have a gt 1050ti oc edition from zotac and i have a 1tb hdd and 240gb ssd
I am looking to buy rest of the components from the Amazon great Indian sale next week. Can you please suggest the components.. Budget is 25k rs.
Right now i have decided for:
Ryzen 5 3500 - rs 11,199
Msi b450m pro vdh max - rs7199
Corsair vengeance 3000mhz - rs2850
Ant esports 511mt- rs3600
Anything that I should change?
90% of the usage will be for gaming.

 

[Phaaze88]

That's a really tight budget to work with...

Do you already have the power supply as well?

Ryzen 5 3500 - rs 11,199

Avoid like the plague. The performance on that thing is severely crippled due to the cut down L3 cache. It's half that of it's X sibling.

Corsair vengeance 3000mhz - rs2850

Avoid single stick configs as well. It'll bite you when the cpu needs the extra bandwidth provided by dual channel.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (₹8599.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: MSI A320M PRO-VD/S Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹3459.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (₹6799.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2799.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (₹3849.00 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹25505.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-15 00:44 IST+0530
And that's using the cheapest options from Partpicker India - except for the cpu and ram, both of which I'd recommend against going lower on.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I agree with the guy above. Also, you will want the extra threads. As from what I've seen, even 8 thread CPUs are going to start to struggle before too long.

 

[hussassasin]

That's a really tight budget to work with...

Do you already have the power supply as well?


Avoid like the plague. The performance on that thing is severely crippled due to the cut down L3 cache. It's half that of it's X sibling.


Avoid single stick configs as well. It'll bite you when the cpu needs the extra bandwidth provided by dual channel.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (₹8599.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: MSI A320M PRO-VD/S Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹3459.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (₹6799.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2799.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (₹3849.00 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹25505.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-15 00:44 IST+0530
And that's using the cheapest options from Partpicker India - except for the cpu and ram, both of which I'd recommend against going lower on.

Thanks for the quick reply
I already have a Thermaltake 450w psu
Which processor would you suggest then?
And the plan is to add one more ram stick in a month or two.

 

[hussassasin]

I agree with the guy above. Also, you will want the extra threads. As from what I've seen, even 8 thread CPUs are going to start to struggle before too long.

Even for gaming I'll need more threads in the near future?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I would go with at least the 1600 as suggested above. That, the 2600 or 3600 are all 6 core 12 thread parts. The 1600 is a pretty good value though.

I just recall seeing a YouTube video recently, check out a guy named tech deals on there. He has some informative stuff on there. One he recently did he showed an i7 which was a 4 core 8 thread part that was having very slight issues with the new ghost recon game. I'm just saying that if you can get a cpu such as a ryzen 5 1600 or higher, the better you can get, you'll appreciate it I think in the future, especially as games seem to be starting to utilize more of those resources.

 

[Phaaze88]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (₹8598.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹6150.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (₹6799.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Antec GX202 ATX Mid Tower Case (₹3399.00 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹24946.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-15 09:14 IST+0530


I would've preferred to pick Ryzen 2600, but geez, is it overpriced in India right now...
It is NOT worth 40% more for a 10% bump over Ryzen 1600!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Also, if the 1600 happens to be the 1600af they are essentially the same CPU. I think just the memory controller is different.

In either case, if you get the 1600 with the b450 board, you should be able to get a speed bump with an overclock. I had a 1600 with a 1050ti at one time, and the 1050ti will be a bottleneck for the 1600. Which in this case is good. Because the 1600 should be able to fully maximize that 1050ti, and allow some headroom for a better gpu later.

 

[hussassasin]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (₹8598.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹6150.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (₹6799.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Antec GX202 ATX Mid Tower Case (₹3399.00 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹24946.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-15 09:14 IST+0530


I would've preferred to pick Ryzen 2600, but geez, is it overpriced in India right now...
It is NOT worth 40% more for a 10% bump over Ryzen 1600!

Thanks a lot for the suggestion.
I am very confused if I should be going for an older generation cpu for threads. I was checking out videos on this and people are suggesting that 3500 is better if you are looking only for gaming as games don't require a lot of threads and 1600/2600 is better if you are looking for streaming or rendering videos..

 

[ohio_buckeye]

A lot of games are starting to get more multithreaded. The older i5 CPUs that were quad cores struggle now days. I don't think the 6 core i5 CPUs will have to long before that day as well. The 3500 I think will be in the same boat. Depending how long before you upgrade the cpu, you'll probably appreciate the hyperthreading.

 

[Phaaze88]

I was checking out videos on this and people are suggesting that 3500 is better if you are looking only for gaming as games don't require a lot of threads and 1600/2600 is better if you are looking for streaming or rendering videos..

Those are some very generalized videos... there are some crucial details missing that can make or break your experience.
Between the Ryzen 3500 and 2600(choosing this for simplicity's sake):

-Yes, Ryzen 3500 has greater per core performance than the 2600. Obviously, the 2600 has greater multi-thread perf. This will impact your experience in certain titles.
-In most single player games, the 3500 would yield greater fps. Call of Duty Campaign Mode, anyone?
-In older games from 10 years ago that ran off 2 or 4 threads, 3500 would also win.

-In multiplayer titles, like your MMOs, battle royales, and shooters, the 3500 quickly becomes thread limited, and there's no way to fix that short of purchasing a new cpu with a higher thread count: 2600 wins here.
-As more games become optimized for higher thread count cpus, the 3500's fps minimums, or 1% lows, will not be as good as on a 2600, even if the latter cpu doesn't have as high single thread performance.
-Some people want to do more than just game: additional background tasks require more ram as well as cpu resources. You won't really have any extra leeway with that on a 3500 and playing COD, Fortnite, or other multiplayer game.

So, no, a 2600 isn't just for streaming/editing. It's a cheaper long term solution. Whomever made those videos you watched recommending cpus like the 3500 weren't thinking long term.
If you go with a 3500, who knows if you'll get even a few years out of it before changing cpus AGAIN.
6c/6t cpus are like 3 years old now, but Hyperthreaded quad cores(4c/8t) have long since been available - the latter was usually better still in the long run.


I will say this though: if all you care about are single player titles and older, sometimes emulated games, then yeah, I could see a Ryzen 3500 being viable.
The moment you add multiplayer games - NOPE. The game will be playable, sure, but the visuals won't be as smooth. Though, perhaps you won't mind that too much...

 

[hussassasin]

Those are some very generalized videos... there are some crucial details missing that can make or break your experience.
Between the Ryzen 3500 and 2600(choosing this for simplicity's sake):

-Yes, Ryzen 3500 has greater per core performance than the 2600. Obviously, the 2600 has greater multi-thread perf. This will impact your experience in certain titles.
-In most single player games, the 3500 would yield greater fps. Call of Duty Campaign Mode, anyone?
-In older games from 10 years ago that ran off 2 or 4 threads, 3500 would also win.

-In multiplayer titles, like your MMOs, battle royales, and shooters, the 3500 quickly becomes thread limited, and there's no way to fix that short of purchasing a new cpu with a higher thread count: 2600 wins here.
-As more games become optimized for higher thread count cpus, the 3500's fps minimums, or 1% lows, will not be as good as on a 2600, even if the latter cpu doesn't have as high single thread performance.
-Some people want to do more than just game: additional background tasks require more ram as well as cpu resources. You won't really have any extra leeway with that on a 3500 and playing COD, Fortnite, or other multiplayer game.

So, no, a 2600 isn't just for streaming/editing. It's a cheaper long term solution. Whomever made those videos you watched recommending cpus like the 3500 weren't thinking long term.
If you go with a 3500, who knows if you'll get even a few years out of it before changing cpus AGAIN.
6c/6t cpus are like 3 years old now, but Hyperthreaded quad cores(4c/8t) have long since been available - the latter was usually better still in the long run.


I will say this though: if all you care about are single player titles and older, sometimes emulated games, then yeah, I could see a Ryzen 3500 being viable.
The moment you add multiplayer games - NOPE. The game will be playable, sure, but the visuals won't be as smooth. Though, perhaps you won't mind that too much...

Hi,

Thanks for explaining this so well,
Its making quite a lot of sense now. So now if we talk about going for a multi threaded cpu. Do you think that a ryzen 5 1600 will last me around 4-5 years without needing an upgrade or should I be going for a more recent gen multi threaded cpu?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

If you can go more recent that would be best obviously. The 3600x is on par with the i7 8700k. But that said, 4 or 5 years is a long time. Buy the best you can afford.

As far as videos, look up a guy on YouTube called tech deals. He had a recent video where he showed an i7 7700k having issues with some recent titles. Like with 1% lows etc. If CPUs like that are having issues and have 8 threads (yes I know 4 are hyperthreading), then I can imagine the newer i5 chips and the 3500 will have issues sooner rather than later.

 

[sizzling]

Even for gaming I'll need more threads in the near future?

There are games that already benefit from more than 6 cores/threads. When looking at benchmarks it’s important to look at 1% & 0.1% lows, this is where 6 threads can already have an impact.