Gaming PC Upgrade Help

[Coputernewbie]

My last gaming pc just suffered an electrical fire so I need to rebuild almost from the ground up. I have a case, Win 10 OS, 60GB SSD and 500GB HDD. Not sure if the drives are damaged though. My priority is best gaming performance and recording/streaming are secondary considerations if budget permits. While I dont have a set budget, Im looking for bang for my buck. To clarify, I was considering something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPdhCy

Im looking to game at 1080p 60fps. I think the only part I have my heart set on is the 1070. Ive hear the 1060 is meant for 1080p, but I dont see that being stable FPS. If there is somewhere I can cut a corner, please tell me. Similar performance for less if possible, but I understand the value of "future proofing" a little. Opinion and discussion is welcome! Thank you for any help, clarifications, and suggestions. Let me know If you need any more info.

 

[rob.salewytsch]

If you are hoping to future proof, I wouldn't bother with Skylake, and would instead go for either the 8600k if you are willing to overclock or the 8400 if you aren't. Keep in mind that you will need a Z370 and those cost more than the 250 board you have selected.

The Hyper 212 Evo, as I have been told numerous time on this forum, is popular because it is cheap and moderately decent. If you plan to OC, you probably want something like the ARCTIC Freezer i32, also as I have been told. Check out some comparisons between the two and I think you will see why. But again, whether you will be OC'ing always makes a difference when choosing components.

I'm not sure about how skylake likes it's RAM, but Coffee Lake likes faster RAM. I wouldn't go below 2400 or really 2666. But again, if performance is your primary motivator, you should be looking at 3000 or 3200.

Ok so, for 1080, the 6GB 1060 is good enough, especially since you are only going for 60 fps. If you think you might upgrade your monitor to a 144 Hz refresh rate, or even 1440p, then the 1070 is a better bet. (Maybe even the "soon to be announced" 1070ti").

I would suggest you look at the PSU sticky on this forum when choosing a PSU. Stay in the tier 1 or 2 range. Seasonic is a highly reliable brand with good warranties, 5-10 years.

Hope this helps.

 

[Coputernewbie]

If you are hoping to future proof, I wouldn't bother with Skylake, and would instead go for either the 8600k if you are willing to overclock or the 8400 if you aren't. Keep in mind that you will need a Z370 and those cost more than the 250 board you have selected.

The Hyper 212 Evo, as I have been told numerous time on this forum, is popular because it is cheap and moderately decent. If you plan to OC, you probably want something like the ARCTIC Freezer i32, also as I have been told. Check out some comparisons between the two and I think you will see why. But again, whether you will be OC'ing always makes a difference when choosing components.

I'm not sure about how skylake likes it's RAM, but Coffee Lake likes faster RAM. I wouldn't go below 2400 or really 2666. But again, if performance is your primary motivator, you should be looking at 3000 or 3200.

Ok so, for 1080, the 6GB 1060 is good enough, especially since you are only going for 60 fps. If you think you might upgrade your monitor to a 144 Hz refresh rate, or even 1440p, then the 1070 is a better bet. (Maybe even the "soon to be announced" 1070ti").

I would suggest you look at the PSU sticky on this forum when choosing a PSU. Stay in the tier 1 or 2 range. Seasonic is a highly reliable brand with good warranties, 5-10 years.

Hope this helps.

Sorry for the late response. The way Im looking at it is, I need an expensive board that supports the coffee lake processors, like you said. But on the other hand, Ive never OCed before so I probably dont need the K version of the processor I picked. But the price difference from the 7600 and 7600k is like 10 bucks so why not go for it? But then I need a decent Motherboard that will allow me to OC reasonably, and Id future proof a little. But I dont know what board to get to do that.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813144115
But $110 isnt terrible, if I can get a decent OC.

As far as I know RAM speed isnt a huge deal, if there isnt a hardware limitation, unless Im wrong. Ive kind of lost touch since the last time Ive built a PC

As for a 1070, I paid 350 for my 970, which for some reason hasnt decreased in price. So 400 isnt out of my ball park, and again Id have more headroom. Ive also seen the 1060, at the lowest average 45 frames. https://youtu.be/15Fw_bOLyqI
I dont know how long Ill see those drops for.

You have attracted my attention to the 8400s though

Thank you

 

[Daniel_5250]

If you are hoping to future proof, I wouldn't bother with Skylake, and would instead go for either the 8600k if you are willing to overclock or the 8400 if you aren't. Keep in mind that you will need a Z370 and those cost more than the 250 board you have selected.

The Hyper 212 Evo, as I have been told numerous time on this forum, is popular because it is cheap and moderately decent. If you plan to OC, you probably want something like the ARCTIC Freezer i32, also as I have been told. Check out some comparisons between the two and I think you will see why. But again, whether you will be OC'ing always makes a difference when choosing components.

I'm not sure about how skylake likes it's RAM, but Coffee Lake likes faster RAM. I wouldn't go below 2400 or really 2666. But again, if performance is your primary motivator, you should be looking at 3000 or 3200.

Ok so, for 1080, the 6GB 1060 is good enough, especially since you are only going for 60 fps. If you think you might upgrade your monitor to a 144 Hz refresh rate, or even 1440p, then the 1070 is a better bet. (Maybe even the "soon to be announced" 1070ti").

I would suggest you look at the PSU sticky on this forum when choosing a PSU. Stay in the tier 1 or 2 range. Seasonic is a highly reliable brand with good warranties, 5-10 years.

Hope this helps.

Sorry for the late response. The way Im looking at it is, I need an expensive board that supports the coffee lake processors, like you said. But on the other hand, Ive never OCed before so I probably dont need the K version of the processor I picked. But the price difference from the 7600 and 7600k is like 10 bucks so why not go for it? But then I need a decent Motherboard that will allow me to OC reasonably, and Id future proof a little. But I dont know what board to get to do that.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813144115
But $110 isnt terrible, if I can get a decent OC.

As far as I know RAM speed isnt a huge deal, if there isnt a hardware limitation, unless Im wrong. Ive kind of lost touch since the last time Ive built a PC

As for a 1070, I paid 350 for my 970, which for some reason hasnt decreased in price. So 400 isnt out of my ball park, and again Id have more headroom. Ive also seen the 1060, at the lowest average 45 frames. https://youtu.be/15Fw_bOLyqI
I dont know how long Ill see those drops for.

You have attracted my attention to the 8400s though

Thank you

The 8400 beats out the 6700k so i wouldnt say the 8600k is really worth it. There is also the i3-8100 worth considering- with 4 physical cores it's perfectly good enough for gaming and light content creation and its around £75 less than the i5. I'd say that that £75 would be better put towards a GPU or faster RAM

Just my 2 cents

Cheers!

 

[rob.salewytsch]

I won't try and talk you out of the 1070. It is a good card, and your cash is your cash.

Although the other poster offers the i3 bc it is also 4 cores, it is the entry point. Whereas the perfect bang for your buck is the 8400. This seems to the general consensus among reviewers. Again, if you want the option OC, then the 8600k, but you are definitely paying for that option. And if you never have...be honest with yourself...will you ever?

Faster ram is a must as per my original post (and the other poster's comment). There are plenty of benchmarks for ram, but basically ... You get a big jump going from 2133 to 2666. Then get smaller returns on your way up to 3000 and 3200. But Coffee Lake likes its RAM fast so even that convention is changing.

Hopefully this helps you make some choices.

 

[Daniel_5250]

The i3 is the entry point, but its still a capable chip. The perfect bang for the buck chip at the moment is the i5-8400 as is (and stated above) the general consensus

 

[Coputernewbie]

I won't try and talk you out of the 1070. It is a good card, and your cash is your cash.

Although the other poster offers the i3 bc it is also 4 cores, it is the entry point. Whereas the perfect bang for your buck is the 8400. This seems to the general consensus among reviewers. Again, if you want the option OC, then the 8600k, but you are definitely paying for that option. And if you never have...be honest with yourself...will you ever?

Faster ram is a must as per my original post (and the other poster's comment). There are plenty of benchmarks for ram, but basically ... You get a big jump going from 2133 to 2666. Then get smaller returns on your way up to 3000 and 3200. But Coffee Lake likes its RAM fast so even that convention is changing.

Hopefully this helps you make some choices.

Okay its kind of hard making heads or tails of all this. The more I look into the 8400 the more I see what all of you are talking about. 8400 is solid and likes faster RAM but with that said, please start at 13:54 and listen til 14:30. https://youtu.be/9f5JQrnOwTE?t=834
I had no idea that mem speed mattered that much. I posted the video for the sake of discussion. My point is, why not get some k version to utilize the board? He basically says that the z730 is wasted on this CPU, and 2.8 clock is bugging me. But again Im definitely paying for it. So I was thinking 8400. Theres the AMD argument saying that the R5 1600 or 1600x sticks pretty close to the 8400, with a cheaper board so the combo is just less money. Either way Im considering the z370 because Ill hopefully be able to stick a newer CPU in it later down the road.

Point being Im definitely leaning towards the 8400 and faster RAM but with the more expensive board, maybe the R5 1600 or X would give similar (lesser values honestly) but save money. Either way its gonna be an upgrade from a i5 4590 right?

As for the 1070, Ive heard the 1060 is meant for 60fps just for gaming and ive seen thats fairly true. But at the same time i think the middle of the road isnt bad because it gives me room to use shadow play, or whatever they call it now. and will last a little longer. Thoughts?

Thank you everyone!

 

[Daniel_5250]

If you went with the 8400, a good Z370 board and some fast ram you'd have a very capable system. The 8400 is such good value that you can spend a bit more on the motherboard and still get a good deal. And as you said you do have the option of upgrading to the unlocked i5 or i7 in the future.

As for clock speed, the 6400 will turbo up to 4 ghz (or there abouts) so you're not stuck at the slower speed