[SOLVED] Gaming PC Upgrades Advice Needed - i5 4670K, Z87, GTX1070, 16GB 2133

[BrainY]

Current Setup:
CASE: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl (Stock Fans)
CPU: Intel Core i5 4670K Haswell OC with Noctua NH-D14
MOBO: ASRock Z87 Extreme4
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce GTX 1070 O8G-GAMING
RAM: 2 x 8GB G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)
SSD: Toshiba OCZ TR150 2.5" 960GB SATA III
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200RPM 16Mb 3GB/s
PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W

#1 I do not need to run 4k as I only have a 1080p 144hz monitor
#2 I prefer not to upgrade my GPU
#3 I prefer not to upgrade my SSD/HDD
#4 I do not overclock
#5 I do not have a specific budget. I wanted to spend about $500... but it seems like I'm getting into the $700 area.

I was more than likely looking at the Ryzen 7 3800X or I7 9700K

This is what I was looking at, any suggestions/recommendations are appreciated! Also, if I would sell my old parts (CPU, CPU Cooler, MOBO, and RAM), what should I ask for it?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $678.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 09:38 EST-0500

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I wouldn't change much for the new build parts, apart form maybe the CPU. You could drop down to a Ryzen 5 3600 which is still a very capable CPU and along with the GTX1070 will give good FPS at 1080p high hz. The 3800x/9700k might push a few more FPS, but the 3600 is no slouch.

Other than that sell the rest of your parts apart from SSD/HDD and GPU/PSU for about 100-150 to offset the costs further.

 

[tennis2]

I think your build looks fine.
I'm not a fan of cases with acrylic panels since they tend to attract dust via static charge.

 

[BrainY]

I think your build looks fine.
I'm not a fan of cases with acrylic panels since they tend to attract dust via static charge.

I only like the Fractal Designs because they are a lot wider and this one has great airflow for my GPU if needed. And also the price made me settle for it.

 

[logainofhades]

I would just go with the 3700x, and get a bit better motherboard. I would recommend a new power supply, as well. That one is an old unit, and not that great of quality either. Don't really need the liquid cooling. The stock cooler does quite well. Or you can maybe get the AM4 bracket, from Noctua, to reuse your current cooler.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($154.00 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.88 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $672.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 10:08 EST-0500

 

[BrainY]

I wouldn't change much for the new build parts, apart form maybe the CPU. You could drop down to a Ryzen 5 3600 which is still a very capable CPU and along with the GTX1070 will give good FPS at 1080p high hz. The 3800x/9700k might push a few more FPS, but the 3600 is no slouch.

Other than that sell the rest of your parts apart from SSD/HDD and GPU/PSU for about 100-150 to offset the costs further.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $543.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 10:14 EST-0500

 

[BrainY]

I would just go with the 3700x, and get a bit better motherboard. I would recommend a new power supply, as well. That one is an old unit, and not that great of quality either. Don't really need the liquid cooling. The stock cooler does quite well. Or you can maybe get the AM4 bracket, from Noctua, to reuse your current cooler.

1. What about the 3600X since I only really game? I don't stream or video edit.
2. So what does a power supply do to affect my computer other than giving it power? Serious question. I have no clue and don't understand
3. I'm trying to get rid of the huge noctua cooler. That thing is just massive That's why I would settle for a cheap water cooling option that is as effective (I would assume)

 

[tennis2]

MSI X570 Gaming Plus = $150 after MIR

Have you looked at the Phanteks P300 = $50 after MIR

 

[BrainY]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $543.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 10:14 EST-0500

Maybe I'll drop the cooler since the 3600X comes with a stock cooler. That should be sufficient, right?

 

[logainofhades]

1. What about the 3600X since I only really game? I don't stream or video edit.
2. So what does a power supply do to affect my computer other than giving it power? Serious question. I have no clue and don't understand
3. I'm trying to get rid of the huge noctua cooler. That thing is just massive That's why I would settle for a cheap water cooling option that is as effective (I would assume)

1. If this is a long term upgrade, the 3700x should stay. If you expect to replace it in 3yrs, or less, the 3600 is fine.

2. Power supply is the single most important part of your system. A low quality unit can die and take your hardware with it.

3. Even though I personally use one, on my 3700x, water cooling isn't needed, for the 3600 or 3700x. Mine was carried over from my 6700k build. If money is an issue, I would just use the stock cooler, for now, and change it out later. The 3700x's cooler is pretty good actually. You could even go with a less expensive air cooler, like the deepcool gammaxx 400, or GTE, if you want some RGB.

 

[BrainY]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $478.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 11:49 EST-0500

What if I go with above ^ - Couldn't I go with a cheaper MOBO? What is really better about the B450's compared to the X570's?

 

[Phaaze88]

The 3600X isn't worth it over the regular 3600 unless you can get it on sale. A 30USD premium is too much - 10USD more, maybe 15, but not 30.
That's just how small a bump it offers over the regular one.

The Asus X570-P and TUF Gaming + WiFi are essentially the best budget X570 motherboards. The other budget options aren't great - I would then point you towards a couple of Msi's B450 MAX models:
Tomahawk MAX
Gaming Plus MAX
Yes, they work with Ryzen 3000 out of the box.

 

[logainofhades]

You could save a bit, and go with a B450 Tomahawk max, but you will lose out on Gen 4 PCI-E gen 4, and only have a single M.2 slot. The 3600x really isn't worth the premium, over the 3600. Use that $30 savings, on a better cooler, like I mentioned earlier, or an even better board.

 

[GarrettL]

All great info and spot on too.

 

[Flayed]

If you already have a NH-D14 you can get an AM4 bracket for it and use it on your new build