Question Gaming PC

[khaineincarnate]

Hello,

I would like to ask for some advice for building a good gaming PC.

Basically, I'd like to get the best possible experience and make an economic purchase. Meaning, I'd like to make a PC which I won't have to upgrade in the next couple of years. So, I'm willing to spend around £2k on the PC itself, peripherals and monitor not included.

I've digged into the subject a little and with 20 minutes worth of research I found that i5-12400F is the most recommended CPU, but would bottleneck a GPU like GeForce RTX 4090. I'm not upto date with the newest inventions like ray tracing etc and although fascinated and kind of excited to get muy hands on the stuff I know nothing about it all. So, sorry if I'm not being specific enough about specification preferences in the thread.

Thanks

 

[LordVile]

Yo

Hello,

I would like to ask for some advice for building a good gaming PC.

Basically, I'd like to get the best possible experience and make an economic purchase. Meaning, I'd like to make a PC which I won't have to upgrade in the next couple of years. So, I'm willing to spend around £2k on the PC itself, peripherals and monitor not included.

I've digged into the subject a little and with 20 minutes worth of research I found that i5-12400F is the most recommended CPU, but would bottleneck a GPU like GeForce RTX 4090. I'm not upto date with the newest inventions like ray tracing etc and although fascinated and kind of excited to get muy hands on the stuff I know nothing about it all. So, sorry if I'm not being specific enough about specification preferences in the thread.

Thanks

Hello. You’re not getting a 4090 for a 2K budget, what are you planning on playing, at what resolution, frame rate and what settings?

 

[Why_Me]

Here's a build meant for gaming at 1440 / 2K.

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/components...i-mesh-performance-black-midi-tower-case.html
Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance Black Mid-Tower Case £94.49

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/850...li-crossfire-single-rail-708a-135mm-fan-atx-p
Corsair RM850 850 Watt 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply £99.98

https://www.technextday.co.uk/product/gigabyte-b660-gaming-x-ddr4-intel-atx-motherboard
Gigabyte B660 GAMING X DDR4 £142.99

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09MDHZ2YQ
Intel Core i7-12700F £339.98

https://computerorbit.com/products/deepcool-ak620-high-performance-cooler
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler £50.00

https://www.box.co.uk/CMK32GX4M2D3600C18-Corsair-Vengeance-LPX-32GB-2x-16GB-3600M_2961063.html
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 £104.99

https://www.cclonline.com/ct2000p2s...tb-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive/
Crucial P2 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD £122.65

https://www.cclonline.com/rtx-3080-...tx-3080-ventus-3x-plus-oc-12gb-graphics-card/
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus OC 12GB Graphics Card £849.00

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/windows-11-home-edition-64-bit-english-international-usb
Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit English USB £110.48

Total: £1915.06 inc VAT

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/27-...4hz-g-sync-compatible-2560-x-1440-1ms-dp-hdmi
Gigabyte G27Q QHD Gaming Monitor, IPS, 2560x1440, 144Hz, 1ms, Freesync Premium, G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor £264.98

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G27Q#kf

A better look at those components.

Lancool-II-Mesh-Performance

<h2>Born to push the limits</h2> LANCOOL II MESH Performance features a mesh front panel and mesh bottom left shroud panel, honeycomb vent design and built-in PWM fans, ensuring bountiful airflow delivered to your components while the system runs at peak performance. <span...

lian-li.com

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

 

[khaineincarnate]

Yo


Hello. You’re not getting a 4090 for a 2K budget, what are you planning on playing, at what resolution, frame rate and what settings?

No? how much would I need to spend, to get 4090 with a viable CPU and GPU?

I plan on playing AAA games. I play lots of genres. Resolution, frame rate, settings ~ the best possible experience, as already mentioned.

 

[khaineincarnate]

Spoiler: quote

Here's a build meant for gaming at 1440 / 2K.

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/components...i-mesh-performance-black-midi-tower-case.html
Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance Black Mid-Tower Case £94.49

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/850...li-crossfire-single-rail-708a-135mm-fan-atx-p
Corsair RM850 850 Watt 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply £99.98

https://www.technextday.co.uk/product/gigabyte-b660-gaming-x-ddr4-intel-atx-motherboard
Gigabyte B660 GAMING X DDR4 £142.99

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09MDHZ2YQ
Intel Core i7-12700F £339.98

https://computerorbit.com/products/deepcool-ak620-high-performance-cooler
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler £50.00

https://www.box.co.uk/CMK32GX4M2D3600C18-Corsair-Vengeance-LPX-32GB-2x-16GB-3600M_2961063.html
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 £104.99

https://www.cclonline.com/ct2000p2s...tb-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive/
Crucial P2 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD £122.65

https://www.cclonline.com/rtx-3080-...tx-3080-ventus-3x-plus-oc-12gb-graphics-card/
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus OC 12GB Graphics Card £849.00

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/windows-11-home-edition-64-bit-english-international-usb
Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit English USB £110.48

Total: £1915.06 inc VAT

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/27-...4hz-g-sync-compatible-2560-x-1440-1ms-dp-hdmi
Gigabyte G27Q QHD Gaming Monitor, IPS, 2560x1440, 144Hz, 1ms, Freesync Premium, G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor £264.98

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G27Q#kf

A better look at those components.

Lancool-II-Mesh-Performance

<h2>Born to push the limits</h2> LANCOOL II MESH Performance features a mesh front panel and mesh bottom left shroud panel, honeycomb vent design and built-in PWM fans, ensuring bountiful airflow delivered to your components while the system runs at peak performance. <span...

lian-li.com

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

Thanks. Would this build support 4k at 60 fps (or the best fps)?

 

[Why_Me]

Thanks. Would this build support 4k at 60 fps (or the best fps)?

You would want the new RTX 4090 or at the least the RTX 4080 (due for release next month) for that along with a bigger power supply.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Review - Impressive Performance

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition offers huge gains over its predecessors. It's the first graphics card to get you 4K 60 FPS with ray tracing enabled, and upscaling disabled. Do you prefer 120 FPS instead of 60? Just turn on DLSS 3.

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER- en RTX 4080-Grafikkarten

Für Gamer und Ersteller.

www.nvidia.com

 

[khaineincarnate]

You would want the new RTX 4090 for that along with a bigger power supply.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Review - Impressive Performance

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition offers huge gains over its predecessors. It's the first graphics card to get you 4K 60 FPS with ray tracing enabled, and upscaling disabled. Do you prefer 120 FPS instead of 60? Just turn on DLSS 3.

www.techpowerup.com

Ah, ok. So 4k is a pretty much unreachable standard for older GPU's. Three grand is also more than I feel like spending for a gaming experience I think.

I'll dig deeper into the build you posted, cheers.

 

[sizzling]

Ah, ok. So 4k is a pretty much unreachable standard for older GPU's.

Not really. My 3080 does an excellent job of 4K 100+ fps if you don’t just max out settings, although MSFS is an exception to this. It’s worth looking into what difference does max settings really give over high/very high settings visually, generally you would be hard pushed to tell the difference unless comparing screenshots side by side and even then it’s not always obvious.

I would say a 4090 is wasted overkill at 4K 60Hz, it really deserves at least 4K 120Hz.

 

[LordVile]

No? how much would I need to spend, to get 4090 with a viable CPU and GPU?

I plan on playing AAA games. I play lots of genres. Resolution, frame rate, settings ~ the best possible experience, as already mentioned.

The best possible experience depends on person to person, some people would be happy playing at 4K30 with all the bells and whilstles some people prefer 1080p at a trillion FPS on low. That’s what I’m asking. Also do you need monitors etc?

4090’s seem to be going for north of 2K alone plus the expensive PSU you need and say a 5800X3D for 500 so you’re talking 3.5K at least not including monitors.

 

[LordVile]

Not really. My 3080 does an excellent job of 4K 100+ fps if you don’t just max out settings, although MSFS is an exception to this. It’s worth looking into what difference does max settings really give over high/very high settings visually, generally you would be hard pushed to tell the difference unless comparing screenshots side by side and even then it’s not always obvious.

I would say a 4090 is wasted overkill at 4K 60Hz, it really deserves at least 4K 120Hz.

Depends, some games it scrapes by at 60-70 at 4K.

 

[alceryes]

I would say a 4090 is wasted overkill at 4K 60Hz, it really deserves at least 4K 120Hz.

4K @ 120Hz is actually the best the RTX 4090 can display.

The RTX 4090 is limited to a max refresh of 120Hz at 4K resolution due to NVIDIA sticking with the old 1.4a Display Port spec. Regardless of the fact that the RTX 4090 card can run some games at 300+ FPS, those frames are (somewhat) wasted by the fact that your 4K screen won't get refreshed more than 120 times per second.

Edit - I say 'somewhat' wasted because, depending on what anti-tearing mechanism you use, you may get better frametime. If you run with the standard vsync though, anything above 120FPS is a waste with the RTX 4090 due to the DP 1.4a limitation.