[SOLVED] Gaming+Streaming budget PC

[1s3ct0wN]

Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: 650 Euros

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (Gaming and Streaming)

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Have (HDD, Monitor, K+M, GPU AMD 580 8Gb). Need only CPU, RAM, MB, PSU and CASE,

Do you need to buy OS: Linux

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: https://www.anhoch.com , http://setec.mk/index.php?route=common/home , https://ddstore.mk//

Location: Macedonia Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia

Parts Preferences: None

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 2720x1924 Dual Monitor

Additional Comments: Not fan of RGB or case with Window, what matters is to have good air flow not look good.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Because am streaming from i3 laptop currently and having issues with it.

Thanks for taking the time to read and consider helping me!

 

[logainofhades]

This will give you a rough idea, on what to look for.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€219.90 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler (€51.92 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€135.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€74.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: RIOTORO - CR500 ATX Mid Tower Case (€67.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€89.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €640.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-07 20:16 CEST+0200

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

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Remove	Product(s)​	Stock​	Qty.​	Price​	Sum​
RAM DDR4 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz G.SKILL Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZ​	no	​	7,455	7,455
PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, 220-G3-0550-Y2​	48 Hours	​	7,576	7,576
		Action Discount - PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, ...		1	0	0
MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demanding gamers, multiple...​	Call	​	2,391	2,391
		Action Discount - MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demandin...		1	0	0
Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tray, Coffee Lake, C...​	No	​	20,433	20,433
		Action Discount - Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tr...		1	0	0
GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64GB​	48 Hours	​	5,477	5,477
		Action Discount - GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64G...		1	0	0
	Total for payment​	43,332​
	You save​	0​

But ditch linux as your OS. It's not gonna help with gaming and streaming on the one machine. It will just hobble you a bit.

Also, a midrange card for gaming/streaming is not the best solution. Yes, you can get by, but think about it. If your card is great at 1080p, which it is , but then has to work to display gaming FPS and output your stream, you are losing either FPS or stream quality (dropped frames) as a balance. You would really want a Vega 56/64/GTX1070+ at 1080p to get good in game FPS, with high settings, and will also allow you to output higher quality streams.

Approx : 705 euro's

This listing is from one of your quoted websites: https://ddstore.mk/order.php

 

[1s3ct0wN]

This will give you a rough idea, on what to look for.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€219.90 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler (€51.92 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€135.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€74.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: RIOTORO - CR500 ATX Mid Tower Case (€67.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€89.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €640.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-07 20:16 CEST+0200

Hello,

Thanks for taking the time to build PC list, would you be so kind to provide one from these:
https://www.anhoch.com , http://setec.mk/index.php?route=common/home , https://ddstore.mk//

Something like this:


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Remove	Product(s)​	Stock​	Qty.​	Price​	Sum​
RAM DDR4 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz G.SKILL Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZ​	no	​	7,455	7,455
PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, 220-G3-0550-Y2​	48 Hours	​	7,576	7,576
		Action Discount - PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, ...		1	0	0
MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demanding gamers, multiple...​	Call	​	2,391	2,391
		Action Discount - MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demandin...		1	0	0
Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tray, Coffee Lake, C...​	No	​	20,433	20,433
		Action Discount - Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tr...		1	0	0
GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64GB​	48 Hours	​	5,477	5,477
		Action Discount - GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64G...		1	0	0
	Total for payment​	43,332​
	You save​	0​

But ditch linux as your OS. It's not gonna help with gaming and streaming on the one machine. It will just hobble you a bit.

Also, a midrange card for gaming/streaming is not the best solution. Yes, you can get by, but think about it. If your card is great at 1080p, which it is , but then has to work to display gaming FPS and output your stream, you are losing either FPS or stream quality (dropped frames) as a balance. You would really want a Vega 56/64/GTX1070+ at 1080p to get good in game FPS, with high settings, and will also allow you to output higher quality streams.

Approx : 705 euro's

This listing is from one of your quoted websites: https://ddstore.mk/order.php

Thank you for taking the time to build PC List, will have to call and check when and if they are going to have the parts available. 650 euros is unfortunately pushing my budget as of now.

I'll start with Linux because its free, will consider MS OS if its really cheap later on. Though when it comes to streaming CPU is doing all the work isn't it?

 

[logainofhades]

You can run Win 10 unlicensed, until you can afford to buy a legit license. For streaming, Ryzen 7 is superior, to an i7 8700. I do not know if it is my workplace causing issues, but navigating those sites are problematic, on my end. So you want to see what you can do with this as a guideline.

Ryzen 7: Model not super important, if budget dictates a cheaper 1st gen, it is still an 8 core model, and superior for streaming
B450 motherboard with at least 4 ram slots, and heatsinks on the motherboard VRM's. A lower end X470 is ok here, too, depending on your pricing/availability
Ram: 16gb of DDR4 3000/3200. Ryzen needs fast ram.
Case: More of a personal choice. Choose the one you like, look for reviews on it.
PSU: Most important component, and should be a quality one. Corsair CX650m, Rx650m or higher, Seasonic 650w+, Evga G2/G3/GQ 650w+ are good choices. Some Antecs are good too, as they are built by Seasonic.

Also, a decent x470/B450 board should receive a bios update for Ryzen 3000, coming in the next month or 2.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

You can run Win 10 unlicensed, until you can afford to buy a legit license. For streaming, Ryzen 7 is superior, to an i7 8700. I do not know if it is my workplace causing issues, but navigating those sites are problematic, on my end. So you want to see what you can do with this as a guideline.

Ryzen 7: Model not super important, if budget dictates a cheaper 1st gen, it is still an 8 core model, and superior for streaming
B450 motherboard with at least 4 ram slots, and heatsinks on the motherboard VRM's. A lower end X470 is ok here, too, depending on your pricing/availability
Ram: 16gb of DDR4 3000/3200. Ryzen needs fast ram.
Case: More of a personal choice. Choose the one you like, look for reviews on it.
PSU: Most important component, and should be a quality one. Corsair CX650m, Rx650m or higher, Seasonic 650w+, Evga G2/G3/GQ 650w+ are good choices. Some Antecs are good too, as they are built by Seasonic.

Also, a decent x470/B450 board should receive a bios update for Ryzen 3000, coming in the next month or 2.

I don't agree with you totally there. Defo Ryzen 5/7 are great gamer/streamers, but to say it's superior to an 8700 is not true. This is from Tom's own article on Gaming/Streaming.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/game-streaming-encoding-coffee-lake-ryzen,5326-4.html

'The Ryzen 7 1800X bears down with eight cores and 16 threads to provide solid streaming and gaming performance.

Core i7-8700K, which brings Coffee Lake up to a Hyper-Threaded six-core design, also performs well in this test. Overall, it offers the best gaming performance while streaming, 99th percentiles included. It even ekes past Ryzen 7 1800X with 100% of frames encoded to the stream. AMD's Ryzen 7 delivers 99.9% of the frames, and dropping 0.1% doesn't concern us. The stream is still smooth.'

Admittedly the 8700 is slightly lower clocked than the 8700k listed in the article. But to say the R7 is superior, is a bit of a leap.

 

[logainofhades]

Gamers nexus did an article on it. The 8700 suffered from dropped frames, viewer side, that the Ryzen 7 did not. Viewer side is more important, if you care about a quality stream, for your viewers.

 

[1s3ct0wN]

Something like this:


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Remove	Product(s)​	Stock​	Qty.​	Price​	Sum​
RAM DDR4 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz G.SKILL Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZ​	no	​	7,455	7,455
PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, 220-G3-0550-Y2​	48 Hours	​	7,576	7,576
		Action Discount - PSU 550W 13cm FAN, EVGA SuperNOVA G3, 80+ GOLD, FULL MODULAR, ...		1	0	0
MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demanding gamers, multiple...​	Call	​	2,391	2,391
		Action Discount - MODECOM OBERON PRO GLASS BLACK CASE, construction for demandin...		1	0	0
Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tray, Coffee Lake, C...​	No	​	20,433	20,433
		Action Discount - Intel® Core™ i7-8700 Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.60 GHz), Tr...		1	0	0
GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64GB​	48 Hours	​	5,477	5,477
		Action Discount - GIGABYTE MB 8th Gen i7/i5/i3 LGA1151, B360-D3H, 4xDDR4,max.64G...		1	0	0
	Total for payment​	43,332​
	You save​	0​

But ditch linux as your OS. It's not gonna help with gaming and streaming on the one machine. It will just hobble you a bit.

Also, a midrange card for gaming/streaming is not the best solution. Yes, you can get by, but think about it. If your card is great at 1080p, which it is , but then has to work to display gaming FPS and output your stream, you are losing either FPS or stream quality (dropped frames) as a balance. You would really want a Vega 56/64/GTX1070+ at 1080p to get good in game FPS, with high settings, and will also allow you to output higher quality streams.

Approx : 705 euro's

This listing is from one of your quoted websites: https://ddstore.mk/order.php

They don't have i7 in stock and the RAM also in ddstore.


Ryzen or i7 and are stock coolers enough?

Its coming down to this:
i7:

Image	Product	Quantity	Price	Total
	CPU Core i7-8700 Coffee Lake Six Core 3.2GHz LGA 1151 12MB BOX	x 1	20,165	20,165

	MB Gigabyte B360M-D3H LGA1151 DDR4 2666MHz SATA3 M.2 USB3.1 Type-C GBit LAN DP/HDMI/DVI/VGA	x 1	5,385	5,385
	PSU 650W Deepcool DQ650-M Full Modular 80Plus Gold Black	x 1	6,990	6,990
	DIMM 8GB DDR4 3200Mhz Kingston CL18 HyperX Fury Black	x 2	3,190	6,380
	ATX Micro Case Deepcool Wave V2 w/USB 3.0, 2x USB 2.0	x 1	1,390	1,390
6 Products Total: 40,310 MKD

Ryzen:

Image	Product	Quantity	Price	Total
	PSU 650W Deepcool DQ650-M Full Modular 80Plus Gold Black	x 1	6,990	6,990

	DIMM 8GB DDR4 3200Mhz Kingston CL18 HyperX Fury Black	x 2	3,190	6,380
	ATX Midi Tower Case SAMA Yuhui Vision III Gaming Black w/o PSU	x 1	2,100	2,100
	CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Eight-Core 3.6GHz AM4 BOX w/o Cooler	x 1	15,585	15,585
	MB MSI X470 GAMING PRO AM4 DDR4 3466MHz USB3.1 Gaming Gbit LAN RGB	x 1	8,990	8,990
6 Products Total: 40,045 MKD

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Gamers nexus did an article on it. The 8700 suffered from dropped frames, viewer side, that the Ryzen 7 did not. Viewer side is more important, if you care about a quality stream, for your viewers.

Can you link the article, I can't find it. Just like to read it to compare. I'd go with Tom's though Seeing as we are here and now!

I just don't see how a drop in 100 Mhz (with both an 8700/8700k having an all core turbo of 4.3ghz, but only a 100mhz difference at max turbo) is gonna effect the outcome in comparison to an 8700k which I'd put on 'par' with any Ryzen doing the same tasks.

But anyway, I digress. Just making the point. Ryzen 7 is damn good. Not 'Superior' though in anyway with the task at hand.

To the OP, it's defo possible to save money, and go for something less. Even a Ryzen 2600x with @logainofhades mob/ram suggestions is a really good option. I've a Ryzen 1600x OC'd and it games/streams like a demon at 1080p. If you aren't going above that res, it will give you strong in game performance, mostly high settings, but with excellent stream out put. You can play around with the software being used (I use OBS) and set it how you like it, and adjust in game settings to get a balance. I like to play my games at high settings (not ultra, or AA/AF or fancy bells and whistles) while streaming at 1080p 60hz. With a Ryzen 7/8700k or above, you can turn on everything in game and have high quality streams, but that would be with a slightly more powerful GPU too.

Anyway, good luck with your choices, and happy gaming

 

[1s3ct0wN]

Can you link the article, I can't find it. Just like to read it to compare. I'd go with Tom's though Seeing as we are here and now!

I just don't see how a drop in 100 Mhz (with both an 8700/8700k having an all core turbo of 4.3ghz, but only a 100mhz difference at max turbo) is gonna effect the outcome in comparison to an 8700k which I'd put on 'par' with any Ryzen doing the same tasks.

But anyway, I digress. Just making the point. Ryzen 7 is damn good. Not 'Superior' though in anyway with the task at hand.

To the OP, it's defo possible to save money, and go for something less. Even a Ryzen 2600x with @logainofhades mob/ram suggestions is a really good option. I've a Ryzen 1600x OC'd and it games/streams like a demon at 1080p. If you aren't going above that res, it will give you strong in game performance, mostly high settings, but with excellent stream out put. You can play around with the software being used (I use OBS) and set it how you like it, and adjust in game settings to get a balance. I like to play my games at high settings (not ultra, or AA/AF or fancy bells and whistles) while streaming at 1080p 60hz. With a Ryzen 7/8700k or above, you can turn on everything in game and have high quality streams, but that would be with a slightly more powerful GPU too.

Anyway, good luck with your choices, and happy gaming

As of now am streaming at 720p3fps because I dont have encoding options on my stream not to task viewers from mobiles or with low-end connection, looking into the future when I get encoding options I'll probably do 1080p30fps

 

[SgtScream]

The R7 2700x beats the i7 8700k hands down in multicore performance which is what should be prioritized when streaming. When streaming prioritization of smooth playback is preferable over high FPS, as purchasing a 6 core 12 thread processor to these tasks now (before Third Gen Ryzen release) would be a poor decision. As triple A title demands increase, in combination to the pre-existing demands of streaming the extra core/threads are what's going to give the system longevity before an upgrade is necessary.

 

[1s3ct0wN]

Is there anything I can tweak on this configuration, do I need 470 board instead of 450? To be honest am considering waiting to see if Ryzen 3000 will drop the prices of 2000 CPUs.

Image	Product	Quantity	Price	Total
	PSU 650W Deepcool DQ650-M Full Modular 80Plus Gold Black	x 1	6,990	6,990

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	DIMM 8GB DDR4 3200Mhz Kingston CL18 HyperX Fury Black	x 2	3,190	6,380
	ATX Midi Tower Case SAMA Yuhui Vision III Gaming Black w/o PSU	x 1	2,100	2,100
	CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Eight-Core 3.6GHz AM4 BOX w/o Cooler	x 1	15,585	15,585
	MB MSI X470 GAMING PRO AM4 DDR4 3466MHz USB3.1 Gaming Gbit LAN RGB	x 1	8,990	8,990
6 Products Total: 40,045 MKD

 

[SgtScream]

Is there anything I can tweak on this configuration, do I need 470 board instead of 450? To be honest am considering waiting to see if Ryzen 3000 will drop the prices of 2000 CPUs.

Image	Product	Quantity	Price	Total
	PSU 650W Deepcool DQ650-M Full Modular 80Plus Gold Black	x 1	6,990	6,990

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	DIMM 8GB DDR4 3200Mhz Kingston CL18 HyperX Fury Black	x 2	3,190	6,380
	ATX Midi Tower Case SAMA Yuhui Vision III Gaming Black w/o PSU	x 1	2,100	2,100
	CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Eight-Core 3.6GHz AM4 BOX w/o Cooler	x 1	15,585	15,585
	MB MSI X470 GAMING PRO AM4 DDR4 3466MHz USB3.1 Gaming Gbit LAN RGB	x 1	8,990	8,990
6 Products Total: 40,045 MKD

2000 series price drops are already here and will continue to do so. That is a good idea because you'll be able to pick up a 2700x at a great price.

 

[logainofhades]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...w-game-streaming-cpu-benchmarks-memory/page-2


B450 is fine. X470 is only good for SLI, and trying to get every last mhz, out of your CPU. Even then, for the OC, it has to be a pretty high end board.