Build Advice Gaming & Streaming Combo (CPU + GPU) < 1.000€

[5HASHIRA]

Hey guys, hope you all doing good!

I'm planning to stream on twitch and run a youtube channel, too.
It will all start as a hobby/ project so nothing fancy intended (e.g. expensive stuff).

I currently purchased some items that were heavily discounted, but still struggle when it comes to the big boys.
I've used the pre-given template and modified it a bit to make it focus on the relevant topic.

Approximate Purchase Date: Start of January would be apprecciated. I could delay it until March tho.

Budget Range:
1.000€ after discounts & shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
gaming, streaming, video editing

Monitor:
Samsung 27' G5A (2560x1440, 165Hz)

Parts Owned:
NZXT H1 V1 (so it has to be ITX conform)
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32GB 3600 CL18
Western Digital SN770 1TB NVMe SSD

Parts Needed:
CPU, GPU, Case and/or AiO fans, Motherboard

Do you need to buy OS:
I guess I'll use a free version of Win10

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
alternarte DE, mindfactory DE , ebay DE for general price comparison we use: geizhals DE

Location:
Germany

Parts Preferences:
I'm really unsure wether I should go for like an 13600k + AMD GPU (6700xt?) -> use h.264 or if i go for an 5700x + NVIDIA GPU (3070 (TI?)) -> NVENC

Finally I am open for suggestions to delay buying until a later stage and also if I could safe/upgrade to a better combo by buying used parts.

Thank you guys your help is very welcome!

 

[Hellfire13]

That case is a bad idea for your intended purpose and your budget is not enough for a better setup...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | Corsair H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | €85.06 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard | MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | €176.63 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card | Zotac GAMING Twin Edge GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card | €585.99 @ Alternate
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1084.67
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:33 CET+0100 |


I would rather do this...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler | €84.90 @ Alza
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard | €158.90 @ Alza
Video Card | Zotac GAMING Twin Edge GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card | €585.99 @ Alternate
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | €64.88 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | €124.02 @ Amazon Deutschland
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1255.68


Or atleast this...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler | €84.90 @ Alza
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard | €158.90 @ Alza
Video Card | Asus DUAL Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card | €429.00 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | €64.88 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Power Supply | Corsair RM650x (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | €96.90 @ Alza
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1071.57
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:48 CET+0100 |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:44 CET+0100 |

 

[Why_Me]

Intel is due to release their locked cpu's along with the B760 boards on January 3rd. Early bench leaks have the i5 13400F (6 cores / 16 threads) running head to head with the 12600K. That cpu should retail for around €200 in Germany. Pair it up with a B760 or B660 board. I'll use this board as an example.

https://geizhals.eu/gigabyte-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4-rev-1-0-a2662767.html
GIGABYTE B660I AORUS Pro DDR4 €225,98

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660I-AORUS-PRO-DDR4-rev-1x#kf

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

 

[5HASHIRA]

That case is a bad idea for your intended purpose and your budget is not enough for a better setup...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | Corsair H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | €85.06 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard | MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | €176.63 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card | Zotac GAMING Twin Edge GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card | €585.99 @ Alternate
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1084.67
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:33 CET+0100 |


I would rather do this...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler | €84.90 @ Alza
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard | €158.90 @ Alza
Video Card | Zotac GAMING Twin Edge GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card | €585.99 @ Alternate
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | €64.88 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | €124.02 @ Amazon Deutschland
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1255.68


Or atleast this...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor | €236.99 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler | €84.90 @ Alza
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard | €158.90 @ Alza
Video Card | Asus DUAL Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card | €429.00 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | €64.88 @ notebooksbilliger.de
Power Supply | Corsair RM650x (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | €96.90 @ Alza
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | €1071.57
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:48 CET+0100 |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 09:44 CET+0100 |

First of all: thanks for the effort you put in!

That case is a bad idea for your intended purpose and your budget is not enough for a better setup...

I know that this is a case you either love or hate but like I said I was looking for an ITX build.
But is there anything specific you dislike about it? Bad airflow -> bad thermals?
It came with the new riser cable btw.

I was eyeing the DAN A4 H2O but this would have set me back 300€+ in total.
I got the NZXT H1 V1 for <100€.

While putting the builds together you still included CPU Coolers + PSUs. You might have missed it but with the case comes a AiO (similar to the H60), and a 650W 80+ Gold PSU.

I've seen reviews where a 5800X seemed like an overclocked 5700X, so why would you choose to go with the 5800X?
And it seems like you would suggest me to go with the NVENC route.
Is it as , or even more powerful than a 13600K + (in this case) 5800?

I know there are a lot of questions but I would highly benefit of some explanation why XY is better then Z.

Intel is due to release their locked cpu's along with the B760 boards on January 3rd. Early bench leaks have the i5 13400F (6 cores / 16 threads) running head to head with the 12600K. That cpu should retail for around €200 in Germany. Pair it up with a B760 or B660 board. I'll use this board as an example.

https://geizhals.eu/gigabyte-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4-rev-1-0-a2662767.html
GIGABYTE B660I AORUS Pro DDR4 €225,98

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660I-AORUS-PRO-DDR4-rev-1x#kf

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

Thanks for that information! I've heared that there would be like new releases in January?

But are 6 cores sufficient for multi-tasking? Guess I'll have to check some benchmarks that include the 12600K and 5700X+.

Also I've heard that Z boards have some better features like better Clock speeds, Audio. But the MOBO you posted almost reads the same as this: asrock-z690m-itx
Whats is your opinion about it?

 

[Why_Me]

First of all: thanks for the effort you put in!


I know that this is a case you either love or hate but like I said I was looking for an ITX build.
But is there anything specific you dislike about it? Bad airflow -> bad thermals?
It came with the new riser cable btw.

I was eyeing the DAN A4 H2O but this would have set me back 300€+ in total.
I got the NZXT H1 V1 for <100€.

While putting the builds together you still included CPU Coolers + PSUs. You might have missed it but with the case comes a AiO (similar to the H60), and a 650W 80+ Gold PSU.

I've seen reviews where a 5800X seemed like an overclocked 5700X, so why would you choose to go with the 5800X?
And it seems like you would suggest me to go with the NVENC route.
Is it as , or even more powerful than a 13600K + (in this case) 5800?

I know there are a lot of questions but I would highly benefit of some explanation why XY is better then Z.




Thanks for that information! I've heared that there would be like new releases in January?

But are 6 cores sufficient for multi-tasking? Guess I'll have to check some benchmarks that include the 12600K and 5700X+.

Also I've heard that Z boards have some better features like better Clock speeds, Audio. But the MOBO you posted almost reads the same as this: asrock-z690m-itx
Whats is your opinion about it?

That Asrock board has an older audio codec and horrible VRM's. There will be a few more ITX boards available when the B760 boards are released. The 5700X is another good choice.

 

[5HASHIRA]

That Asrock board has an older audio codec and horrible VRM's. There will be a few more ITX boards available when the B760 boards are released. The 5700X is another good choice.

Strange "geizhals" showed a matching Audio Codec, but I see what you mean with VRM.

What do you think will be their retail prices? As I would just go with the ine you've posted if it's much higher (and if I go with Intel ofc).

 

[Why_Me]

Strange "geizhals" showed a matching Audio Codec, but I see what you mean with VRM.

What do you think will be their retail prices? As I would just go with the ine you've posted if it's much higher (and if I go with Intel ofc).

There is supposed to be a 10% price increase for the B760 boards. Lack of choice for B660 ITX boards is what sucks. That and the best B660 ITX board is an Asus DDR5 board.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-rog-strix-b660-i-gaming-wifi-90mb19c0-m0eay0-a2660686.html

 

[5HASHIRA]

There is supposed to be a 10% price increase for the B760 boards. Lack of choice for B660 ITX boards is what sucks. That and the best B660 ITX board is an Asus DDR5 board.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-rog-strix-b660-i-gaming-wifi-90mb19c0-m0eay0-a2660686.html

I know that feel. Been looking for 250ish ITX boards but there is really a lack in diversity.

So I guess I‘m set regarding the MOBO on Intel terms.

But what about the topic? CPU & GPU Combo?

At this budget am I any better with Intel + AMD or AMD + NVIDIA?

I know NVENC will solve me well if I am on a 3070+ but I don‘t know if a 13600K isn‘t powerful enough to deliver even a better 1080p stream while avoiding any FPS lows/drops.

 

[Hellfire13]

But is there anything specific you dislike about it? Bad airflow -> bad thermals?

You nailed it. Its both. For a gaming streaming machine it would be one hot chamber.

While putting the builds together you still included CPU Coolers + PSUs. You might have missed it but with the case comes a AiO (similar to the H60), and a 650W 80+ Gold PSU.

In your initial post you did request for AIO. The PSU, well, they tend to claim the sky but the actual quality of PSUs that comes with pre builds...meh.

I've seen reviews where a 5800X seemed like an overclocked 5700X, so why would you choose to go with the 5800X?

At the time of compiling the list the price gap was insignificant between them.

And it seems like you would suggest me to go with the NVENC route.
Is it as , or even more powerful than a 13600K + (in this case) 5800?

If you go for GPU encoding, NVENC is better in quality AFAIK. Its why most streamers prefer Nvidia.

 

[5HASHIRA]

You nailed it. Its both. For a gaming streaming machine it would be one hot chamber.


In your initial post you did request for AIO. The PSU, well, they tend to claim the sky but the actual quality of PSUs that comes with pre builds...meh.


At the time of compiling the list the price gap was insignificant between them.


If you go for GPU encoding, NVENC is better in quality AFAIK. Its why most streamers prefer Nvidia.

Guess it was misleading but I was asking for a fan replacement of the AiO that comes with the case as I have heard that there are good alternatives.

The encoding part: NVENC vs 264.
That is the only thing that I can't really find a good and reliable source upon.
I know that the extra chip on NVIDIA is way superior when it comes to NVENC. And people tend to say if the GPU is the bottleneck then go for CPU encoding. But how do I know which CPU-GPU combo gives me the better/reliable stream quality?

Taking your build suggestions:
Is a 5800X + 3070 better than a 13600K + 5700XT when it comes to streaming?

 

[Hellfire13]

Guess it was misleading but I was asking for a fan replacement of the AiO that comes with the case as I have heard that there are good alternatives.

The encoding part: NVENC vs 264.
That is the only thing that I can't really find a good and reliable source upon.
I know that the extra chip on NVIDIA is way superior when it comes to NVENC. And people tend to say if the GPU is the bottleneck then go for CPU encoding. But how do I know which CPU-GPU combo gives me the better/reliable stream quality?

Taking your build suggestions:
Is a 5800X + 3070 better than a 13600K + 5700XT when it comes to streaming?

When you are using a single PC for both task, hardware encoding is better and it involves the GPU more. I would say 5800x + 3070 for streaming...
https://streamersplaybook.com/is-st...ware encoding is,well as your computer budget.

 

[5HASHIRA]

When you are using a single PC for both task, hardware encoding is better and it involves the GPU more. I would say 5800x + 3070 for streaming...
https://streamersplaybook.com/is-streaming-cpu-or-gpu-intensive/#:~:text=Streaming through software encoding is,well as your computer budget.

I've read the article you've linkef but the most important take aways are:

• an old i5 4-core would be sufficient enough
• AMD GPUs just pair well with Intel when streaming
• NVIDIA is best used with Intel

But this information seems to be outdated or at least doesn't fit with the superiority of Processing power your listed units have.

 

[Hellfire13]

I've read the article you've linkef but the most important take aways are:

• an old i5 4-core would be sufficient enough
• AMD GPUs just pair well with Intel when streaming
• NVIDIA is best used with Intel

But this information seems to be outdated or at least doesn't fit with the superiority of Processing power your listed units have.

The underlying principle still remains the same. And the article has been updated on Aug' 15th this year.

 

[5HASHIRA]

The underlying principle still remains the same. And the article has been updated on Aug' 15th this year.

Sorry for the late reply.
Yeah I have read a few more articles which state the same. Software Encoding can eat up 20-30% CPU load and NVENC would have a max. 5-10%. Still at the cost of gaming quality (max 5-10% lower frames)

Still haven't seen a streaming build with a much stronger CPU than GPU build that tried 264.

Like a 13600K paired with 5700/XT. (~40% GPU bottleneck).

 

[Hellfire13]

Sorry for the late reply.
Yeah I have read a few more articles which state the same. Software Encoding can eat up 20-30% CPU load and NVENC would have a max. 5-10%. Still at the cost of gaming quality (max 5-10% lower frames)

Still haven't seen a streaming build with a much stronger CPU than GPU build that tried 264.

Like a 13600K paired with 5700/XT. (~40% GPU bottleneck).

You can go with that if you want.

 

[5HASHIRA]

Actually, I would like to avoid this scenario.
That's why I turned to a tech related forum with it's experienced userbase.

 

[Hellfire13]

Actually, I would like to avoid this scenario.
That's why I turned to a tech related forum with it's experienced userbase.

That is because NVENC is more popular for streaming.

 

[Ar558]

I'd suggest this as the best all round performance with what you have.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/r4D2Mb

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (€288.00 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660I AORUS Pro DDR4 Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard (€228.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Video Card: XFX Speedster QICK 319 Core Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Video Card (€509.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1025.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-22 16:31 CET+0100

 

[5HASHIRA]

After gathering some more information I decided to go for an NVIDIA card.
Looking for a 3070/Ti specifically

Since the 13400 is gonna cost 250+ EUR in Germany I‘m unsure with which CPU I should combine it tho. A 12600K? 13600K? Or 5700X.

 

[Why_Me]

After gathering some more information I decided to go for an NVIDIA card.
Looking for a 3070/Ti specifically

Since the 13400 is gonna cost 250+ EUR in Germany I‘m unsure with which CPU I should combine it tho. A 12600K? 13600K? Or 5700X.

https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i5-13400f-c0-cm8071505093005-a2871161.html
Intel Core i5-13400F €225,80

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...3400f-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-100-100000926wof-a2709092.html
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X €199,00

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x

 

[5HASHIRA]

https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i5-13400f-c0-cm8071505093005-a2871161.html
Intel Core i5-13400F €225,80

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...3400f-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-100-100000926wof-a2709092.html
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X €199,00

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x

The F Version is the obe without iGPU.
While Video editing and rendering the Extra Source has a good impact as I've read.

Also wouldn't the 5700X be a better choice if considering the F?

Still sad Motherboard game 🙁

 

[Why_Me]

The F Version is the obe without iGPU.
While Video editing and rendering the Extra Source has a good impact as I've read.

Also wouldn't the 5700X be a better choice if considering the F?

Still sad Motherboard game 🙁

https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i5-13400-c0-cm8071505093004-a2871160.html
Intel Core i5-13400

https://geizhals.eu/gigabyte-b760-gaming-x-ddr4-a2872178.html
GIGABYTE B760 Gaming X DDR4

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

I would choose the 5700X before the 5800X. btw neither of those AMD cpu's come with integrated graphics.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5V1lgctYw