Geforce 710M insane uncontrolable temperatures.

[SyMix_KD]

I have a samsung laptop and I've been paying attention to my computer temperatures, but until today I download FurMark and realised that the temperature I was monitoring was only the CPU temperature because when I started the stress test my GPU temperatures sky rocketed to 95º C.
I was really worried and immediately quit FurMark.

The dust was cleaned about 2 weeks ago and the computer is 2 years old.

Usind a laptop cooling pad doesn't work.

Lowering clock speeds with msi afterburner doesn't help, it just only takes more time to reach 95º

The fan is not controlable trough any software.

System specs:
i5 3.2Ghz 2/4 (Reaches 72º at full load and 95º if both GPU + CPU full load)
8GB RAM
750GB HDD
Windows 10

My 5 year old laptop with a Geforce 310m only reaches 60º with FurMark
And 63º if overclocked to these speeds:
http://i.imgur.com/AKpGfVp.png

How is this possible?
I thought low end cards never get that hot.

What do you guys think is going on and what can I do to reduce temperatures?
If you need extra info please let me know.
Thanks.

 

[dudeman509]

Probably need to go inside it and re-apply thermal paste. Some laptops have a thermal pad (google heat sink thermal pad) on the GPU chips.

 

[SyMix_KD]

Probably need to go inside it and re-apply thermal paste. Some laptops have a thermal pad (google heat sink thermal pad) on the GPU chips.

That is the last thing I want to do.
Not saying it's a bad ideia but I'm hoping there are other easier solutions.
Thanks anyways.

 

[dudeman509]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

 

[CelicaGT]

Often these days laptops with low end discrete graphics will use a dual heatpipe single heat exchanger with a single fan. In this case you are dumping heat from both sources to one set of cooling fins and it can't keep up. Not saying this is what's going on but it is a possibility, in addition you shouldn't stress test looking for cooling issues. Often you WILL find them and can possibly damage your hardware in the process. This kind of software will put on a load that you will likely never experience in normal computing, it's meant to test for stability and ASSUMES you have adequate cooling for this type of load.

 

[SyMix_KD]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

 

[SyMix_KD]

Often these days laptops with low end discrete graphics will use a dual heatpipe single heat exchanger with a single fan. In this case you are dumping heat from both sources to one set of cooling fins and it can't keep up. Not saying this is what's going on but it is a possibility, in addition you shouldn't stress test looking for cooling issues. Often you WILL find them and can possibly damage your hardware in the process. This kind of software will put on a load that you will likely never experience in normal computing, it's meant to test for stability and ASSUMES you have adequate cooling for this type of load.

I get these GPU temperatures when playing games like sleeping dogs, counter strike global offensive, far cry 3, and metro 2033 (wich is laggy) so i'm almost sure that GPU load is the same on those games.

 

[CelicaGT]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

70, 80, even 90 degrees C are absolutely normal with laptop chipsets, especially under heavy load. I forget exactly when Nvidia chips start to throttle but it's quite high.

 

[SyMix_KD]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

70, 80, even 90 degrees C are absolutely normal with laptop chipsets, especially under heavy load. I forget exactly when Nvidia chips start to throttle but it's quite high.

Using GPU-Z I can see that as soon as the card hits 95º it automatically reduces clock by around 28mhz, and it goes like this:

93ºC - 775Mhz
94ºC - 775Mhz
95ºC - 775Mhz
93ºC - 755Mhz
94ºC - 755Mhz
95ºC - 755Mhz
92ºC - 725Mhz |
93ºC - 725Mhz | Time
94ºC - 725Mhz \/
95ºC - 725Mhz
92ºC - 698Mhz
93ºC - 698Mhz
...
And so on untill it stops at 549.6Mhz at 94ºC and doesn't change.
So i'm guessing, since the manufacturer programed this, it means that those temperatures are completely safe or else it would throttle sooner.

It's still weird, how can a card like this get so hot even when running at low clock speeds.

 

[CelicaGT]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

70, 80, even 90 degrees C are absolutely normal with laptop chipsets, especially under heavy load. I forget exactly when Nvidia chips start to throttle but it's quite high.

Using GPU-Z I can see that as soon as the card hits 95º it automatically reduces clock by around 28mhz, and it goes like this:

93ºC - 775Mhz
94ºC - 775Mhz
95ºC - 775Mhz
93ºC - 755Mhz
94ºC - 755Mhz
95ºC - 755Mhz
92ºC - 725Mhz |
93ºC - 725Mhz | Time
94ºC - 725Mhz \/
95ºC - 725Mhz
92ºC - 698Mhz
93ºC - 698Mhz
...
And so on untill it stops at 549.6Mhz at 94ºC and doesn't change.
So i'm guessing, since the manufacturer programed this, it means that those temperatures are completely safe or else it would throttle sooner.

It's still weird, how can a card like this get so hot even when running at low clock speeds.

TBH the 710 is a very low spec GPU and is not really meant for gaming, neither is the system in general I'm thinking. It's likely a case of the OEM cooling just not being up to the task and there's not much you can do about it. By all means clean the cooler and fan, carefully disassemble to see if it's even feasible to replace the thermal compound. But I would not risk damage to the machine just to address an issue that may be by design. And yes, low end cards can get very hot, they are usually older designs for cost issues and in this case it's a GT540m Fermi (GF108) which in turn is based on a GT435m (still Fermi, GF108).

 

[SyMix_KD]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

70, 80, even 90 degrees C are absolutely normal with laptop chipsets, especially under heavy load. I forget exactly when Nvidia chips start to throttle but it's quite high.

Using GPU-Z I can see that as soon as the card hits 95º it automatically reduces clock by around 28mhz, and it goes like this:

93ºC - 775Mhz
94ºC - 775Mhz
95ºC - 775Mhz
93ºC - 755Mhz
94ºC - 755Mhz
95ºC - 755Mhz
92ºC - 725Mhz |
93ºC - 725Mhz | Time
94ºC - 725Mhz \/
95ºC - 725Mhz
92ºC - 698Mhz
93ºC - 698Mhz
...
And so on untill it stops at 549.6Mhz at 94ºC and doesn't change.
So i'm guessing, since the manufacturer programed this, it means that those temperatures are completely safe or else it would throttle sooner.

It's still weird, how can a card like this get so hot even when running at low clock speeds.

TBH the 710 is a very low spec GPU and is not really meant for gaming, neither is the system in general I'm thinking. It's likely a case of the OEM cooling just not being up to the task and there's not much you can do about it. By all means clean the cooler and fan, carefully disassemble to see if it's even feasible to replace the thermal compound. But I would not risk damage to the machine just to address an issue that may be by design. And yes, low end cards can get very hot, they are usually older designs for cost issues and in this case it's a GT540m Fermi (GF108) which in turn is based on a GT435m (still Fermi, GF108).

I see.
Then how can my old 310m in my 5 year old laptop only reach 63º even after overclocking?

 

[SyMix_KD]

Just found out, according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_500M_.285xxM.29_Series
The 710m is a GF117 and not a GF108 as you mentioned.
Correct me if im wrong.

 

[CelicaGT]

Is the fan already screaming when the graphics chip is put into play?

Just tested it now.
From what I can hear, the fan only starts speeding up when it hits 80º before that it is very quiet. And only starts speeding at max when it hits 90º and still seems very quiet. I just checked the "fan noise reduction mode" that came with the laptop and its off.

It's stupid and I don't know why it doesn't start spinning faster at lower temperatures like 70º

70, 80, even 90 degrees C are absolutely normal with laptop chipsets, especially under heavy load. I forget exactly when Nvidia chips start to throttle but it's quite high.

Using GPU-Z I can see that as soon as the card hits 95º it automatically reduces clock by around 28mhz, and it goes like this:

93ºC - 775Mhz
94ºC - 775Mhz
95ºC - 775Mhz
93ºC - 755Mhz
94ºC - 755Mhz
95ºC - 755Mhz
92ºC - 725Mhz |
93ºC - 725Mhz | Time
94ºC - 725Mhz \/
95ºC - 725Mhz
92ºC - 698Mhz
93ºC - 698Mhz
...
And so on untill it stops at 549.6Mhz at 94ºC and doesn't change.
So i'm guessing, since the manufacturer programed this, it means that those temperatures are completely safe or else it would throttle sooner.

It's still weird, how can a card like this get so hot even when running at low clock speeds.

TBH the 710 is a very low spec GPU and is not really meant for gaming, neither is the system in general I'm thinking. It's likely a case of the OEM cooling just not being up to the task and there's not much you can do about it. By all means clean the cooler and fan, carefully disassemble to see if it's even feasible to replace the thermal compound. But I would not risk damage to the machine just to address an issue that may be by design. And yes, low end cards can get very hot, they are usually older designs for cost issues and in this case it's a GT540m Fermi (GF108) which in turn is based on a GT435m (still Fermi, GF108).

I see.
Then how can my old 310m in my 5 year old laptop only reach 63º even after overclocking?

What is it's cooling solution? Dual or single coolers. Admission...my gaming lappy has an i7 and a GTX765m with a single, shared cooler. I have the same issue as you albeit to a lesser extent (present from new, and just a really really loud frickin fan when gaming, even lightly). As I said before I'm just offering a possible explanation. Don't hesitate to do a little (safe) surgery on the beast to see what's going on and if there is an issue here. If there are two separate coolers with two separate fans I would be (pleasantly) surprised and in that case a TIM reapplication is in order.

(edit) I think we are going for a record for the quoting of the quotes quotiness

 

[CelicaGT]

Just found out, according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_500M_.285xxM.29_Series
The 710m is a GF117 and not a GF108 as you mentioned.
Correct me if im wrong.

You are correct (GF117 is an updated GF108), I edited my original comment and we may have crossed paths lol

 

[CelicaGT]

Check these guys out http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-710M.84746.0.html usually pretty spec on

 

[SyMix_KD]

Both computers have one fan.
My old one has 2 vents where the heat comes out one vent is small and the other is bigger, while my most recent laptop has just one big vent.

I have the Samsung ATIV 450R4E-X02PL (Wich I found on that link)

 

[CelicaGT]

All things being equal it's not entirely possible to compare two different cooling solutions from two different machines despite their similarities. And we are not, we are comparing two completely different GPU architectures on two different manufacturing nodes with superficially similar cooling solutions. Also we have GPU boost 2.0 in the mix which really muddies the water. As I said before, dig a little into the machine as it's fully plausible that you have some degradation of the TIM after 2 years of hard runnin.

 

[SyMix_KD]

I disassembled my old and new PC and this is what I conclude:
The new PC's cooler only had 1 heat pipe and a very small heatsink.
The old PC had 2 heat pipes with 2 heatsinks.

Replacing thermal paste and cleaning dust on my new PC made it stick at 92ºC so yay! No more thermal throttling.

But I still want to overclock my 710m and this is what I plan to do to cool it more, I have an old chipset heatsink that is 4x4x1 cm from an old motherboard, and I will put it right on top of the GPU heat pipe with thermal paste and thermal adhesive, next I will open 2 holes in the case for the heatsink and the fan, then I just have to put my laptop on top of my homemade laptop cooler and Boom! Hopefuly temperatures will lower!

Here are some images.

Old PC

Old PC cooler

New PC

New PC cooler

New PC case

Homemade laptop cooler

Do you think it's a good ideia?