GeForce 9800 GTX Specs Confirmed: Leaked Slides.

[dev1se]

The benchmarks ive seen all show it outperforming an Ultra... and at the resolutions I play at, this is good news for me. 8800 Ultra performance at a much lower price is nice news.

 

[Undying89]

The benchmarks ive seen all show it outperforming an Ultra... and at the resolutions I play at, this is good news for me. 8800 Ultra performance at a much lower price is nice news.

Where did u see those benchmarks? No whay that 9800GTX will outperform Ultra! Specs are same as 8800GTS (G92) soo thats not true .Btw 9800GTX cost 359-399$ depends of brand...

 

[dos1986]

Where did u see those benchmarks? No whay that 9800GTX will outperform Ultra! Specs are same as 8800GTS (G92) soo thats not true .Btw 9800GTX cost 359-399$ depends of brand...

Supposed 1st 9800 GTX review (in chinese)

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0803/1243353.html

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0803/1243353_17.html

Seems to be able to beat an Ultra at lower res, but at higher its level/Ultra wins...

 

[dos1986]

Nothing cool really, agree with you Undying89 no way will these cards be below $350...

 

[warezme]

Because the way they handle the data reduces the demand for a wider bandwidth, so they can get by with a 256, and using less ram (512 vs 768) plus a die shrink or two, this card is much more the profit maker than the 8800GTX, which it replaces, and nudges in performance

The 8800GTX could have been their profit maker if they had dropped their price after the Ultra release but the didn't. I agree though that this model will make more profit for them since they cut memory and used the same die as the old (but shrunk it) Its all about making a quick buck at this point.

There is nothing new generation about all these cards. Some guys will be real upset when they buy this and 6mo later the real next gen chip appears blowing them all away.

 

[firebird]

The 9800's better come out soon. Too many posts already. I can almost say I'm bored with it already.

 

[dev1se]

Agreed....

As for the better than 8800 Ultra performance... im quite happy buying one if it can beat that card... and overclocks some more too

 

[Hatman]

The 8800GTX could have been their profit maker if they had dropped their price after the Ultra release but the didn't. I agree though that this model will make more profit for them since they cut memory and used the same die as the old (but shrunk it) Its all about making a quick buck at this point.

There is nothing new generation about all these cards. Some guys will be real upset when they buy this and 6mo later the real next gen chip appears blowing them all away.

They are going to make more profit by selling them for less... makes sense..

 

[MrCommunistGen]

They are going to make more profit by selling them for less... makes sense..

It's called "elasticity". If the product is price elastic, revenue will increase even if unit price decreases due to the increase in quantity demanded.

-mcg

 

[jay2tall]

If we look at the following page: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts_512_mb/page2.html
You can see really the only areas the 8800GTX have over the 8800GTS 512 is the memory bus width (256 vs 384bits) and the ROPS (16 vs 24).
Now I know everyone has their theories about the memory bus width and obviously this won't change. BUT I think one key items is the number of Renduring Operators. These get clocked with the GPU and are in fact part of the GPU. I mean My 8800GTS is clocked to 750MHz right now without a sweat. Which if the 9800GTX is at 675, well SUCKS. My thought is they are going to pack more ROPS into this thing making each clock cycle more "powerful" in a sense. This, I think, is why we see such a better result overclocking the GTX than OCing a 8800GTS512.

Just my thoughts. So if they come through with more ROPS for the new GTX it might actually be a good deal. STILL, granted I was looking for something that would knock my socks off but I don't think Nvidia would let an overclocked GTS outperform the new grand daddy GTX.

 

[KyleSTL]

If we look at the following page: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts_512_mb/page2.html
You can see really the only areas the 8800GTX have over the 8800GTS 512 is the memory bus width (256 vs 384bits) and the ROPS (16 vs 24).
Now I know everyone has their theories about the memory bus width and obviously this won't change. BUT I think one key items is the number of Renduring Operators. These get clocked with the GPU and are in fact part of the GPU. I mean My 8800GTS is clocked to 750MHz right now without a sweat. Which if the 9800GTX is at 675, well SUCKS. My thought is they are going to pack more ROPS into this thing making each clock cycle more "powerful" in a sense. This, I think, is why we see such a better result overclocking the GTX than OCing a 8800GTS512.

Just my thoughts. So if they come through with more ROPS for the new GTX it might actually be a good deal. STILL, granted I was looking for something that would knock my socks off but I don't think Nvidia would let an overclocked GTS outperform the new grand daddy GTX.

I've thought the same thing about the 9600GT performance. Compared to an 8800GTS 512 it has:

50% shaders
50% TMUs
100%ROPs
100% clocks [fairly insignificant when compared to core configuration], and
100% mem bus

And yet it's performance compared to the GTS is ~ 30% fps hit.

This makes me think the things that truly matter are ROPs and memory bus (the two areas in which the 8600GT/GTS really lacked - 50% less than the 8800GTS - despite high clocks and 25% shaders and TMUs). Also gives me the impression if the 9800GTX has an equal number of ROPs as the 8800GTX [24], it's really going to haul compared to an otherwise identical 8800GTS 512.

 

[jay2tall]

I've thought the same thing about the 9600GT performance. Compared to an 8800GTS 512 it has:

50% shaders
50% TMUs
100%ROPs
100% clocks [fairly insignificant when compared to core configuration], and
100% mem bus

And yet it's performance compared to the GTS is ~ 30% fps hit.

This makes me think the things that truly matter are ROPs and memory bus (the two areas in which the 8600GT/GTS really lacked - 50% less than the 8800GTS - despite high clocks and 25% shaders and TMUs). Also gives me the impression if the 9800GTX has an equal number of ROPs as the 8800GTX [24], it's really going to haul compared to an otherwise identical 8800GTS 512.

If it has 24 ROPS and everything else is the same it will absolutly perform better than the GTS. Just thing... what if it has 32????? hmmm. It would overclock like a Wild Banshee!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

This is very vague, but as I said earlier, I think with everyone thinking that this card will be hampered by a 256 bit vs a 384, it wont. It has some to do with compression. From Anantech :"The GeForce 9600 GT, in addition to finally encroaching on ATI's naming scheme, is fabbed on a 65nm process by TSMC and sports a 256-bit memory bus. The differences between G9x and G8x are small, but even so details were light. Their compression technology has evolved to provide higher effective bandwidth between the GPU and framebuffer. We would love to provide more details on this and the other changes, but NVIDIA is still being a bit tight lipped" Whatever this compression means, itll change the way we look at a 256 bit, as with the 9600, the 9800 will incorporate this as well

 

[dev1se]

So we getting the ROPs in the 9800GTX or what people? I want more ROPS!

 

[KyleSTL]

This is very vague, but as I said earlier, I think with everyone thinking that this card will be hampered by a 256 bit vs a 384, it wont.

I did not bring up memory bus width as a 256 vs. 320/384, but as 256 vs. 128 (all the anemic mid-ranges that precede the 8800GT and 9600GT (or the 8800GS's 192-bit setup, for that matter). Yeah, think about the 8800GS, it has the same config as the 8800GTS G80, except for memory bus (192 vs. 320) and ROPs (12 vs. 20) and the 8800GS even has higher clocks (550/1375/1600 vs. 500/1200/1600), yet the now-underpowered G80 GTS still beats it.

This is how nVidia castrates it's cards, and if the G92 has yet-to-be-unlocked ROPs we're unaware of, then the 9800GTX should be a fairly sweet card, otherwise, why is nVidia even bothering to put it out?

 

[jay2tall]

So we getting the ROPs in the 9800GTX or what people? I want more ROPS!

That is the big question. I've seen sneak peak benches, and some specs but nothing on the Renturing Operator count. I find it REALLY had to believe nVidia is going to make 2 cards SOOOOO similar to each other.. Namely the GTS and GTX cards.

 

[dev1se]

I know..... If nVidia releases it with 24 ROPs I'll be chuffed.

 

[pogsnet]

This is just a tweaked version of 8800 series. They should have built new architecture than new name.

 

[FrozenGpu]

9800GTx has 16 ROP's though.. I haven't heard or seen anywhere them having 24...

 

[dev1se]

we'll all see soon enough. aslong as its beating an Ultra at the res i game at im happy to buy one. If the 8800GTS is much cheaper and not far behind it, the 8800GTS it'll be

 

[FrozenGpu]

we'll all see soon enough. aslong as its beating an Ultra at the res i game at im happy to buy one. If the 8800GTS is much cheaper and not far behind it, the 8800GTS it'll be

very true, at least for now.

 

[tjoepie]

Better than 8800ultra performance for half the price and less power... I think the 9800GTX is a good card!

It's the best single card GPU and much cheaper that the former king, I really don't understand all this complaining.

People expect too much these days and are never happy.
I think it is a sad evolution that repeats itself in all parts of life.

 

[Maziar]

I dont think it will be better than 8800GTX/ULTRA in higher resolutions but still i am waiting for real benchs

 

[jay2tall]

9800GTx has 16 ROP's though.. I haven't heard or seen anywhere them having 24...

It's called wishful thinking. No one REALLY knows, the 16 ROPS is still speculation. NDA has suprised us before once the curtain is lifted.

 

[satanpro]

NDA has suprised us before once the curtain is lifted.

When exactly does this take place? I was under the impression that it was already lifted. People had said it was over on the 18th, but does that mean after the 18th instead?