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<A HREF="http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q2/nforce3-geforcefx/index.x?pg=1" target="_new">link</A>

Pretty good read. Since I was going to go with a PCIE 6800 Ultra anyway, its quite the push to go AMD.

Talk amongst yourselves, I'm busy with RL obligations so I wont have the joy of fighting with all of my fans this time.
Hurry, before Ape and Co. starts another Medieval IQ Witch Hunt! :lol:

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I don't see this as a good thing at all!!! (unless I owned a GeForceFX and NF Mobo)
How is it fair that a user is forced to buy a particular Mobo in order to maximize their graphics performance. If I owned an NForce board or GeForceFX (but not both), I would be royally pissed. Imagine owning a GeForceFX and not an NForce, knowing that better performance is available through a software update, but isn't available to you because you don't have an NVidia mobo.

<i>Disclaimer: I'd be pissed if ATI did the same thing, so don't start calling me an ATI fanboy!</i>
 
Another thing I forgot to mention...
How did they achieve this performance increase???
What types of optimizations are in place?
Where are the screenies to compare IQ???
 
They just optimized their nForce AGP drivers for use with nVidia cards, the FX series in particular. As long as they're not hindering the performance of ATi's cards, this is fair game, IMO.

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My issue is that it boost performance on NVidia hardware only. If the AGP drivers are optimized, why not optimize them for ATI and others too? I realize it doesn't hinder performance, but if the capability is there to increase performance, then they should do it.
If the drivers for the FX cards are optimized for that particular Mobo, why not use the same or similar optimizations for other mobo chipsets as well? Again, it's not hindering performance, but it's not maximizing it either, which IMO is wrong!
 
And the little leet-fairy will come and make all the haxxorz even, erm, leeter...


Get real. Nvidia has cards to sell. How dumb would they have to be to give a free advantage to a
competitor?

They make the chipset, they make the rules. No one us forcing you to buy it.




I only wish they'd do the same for older cards. I would'nt mind a boost for my GF4.


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That is a valid argument. Why not optimize the AGP drivers for ATI's hardware, too? Well, it's probably easier to optimize drivers for two sets of hardware that you engineered. Although, you'd think that with AGP being a *standard*, it shouldn't matter much. Either that, or they're just trying to create a selling point for the NF3/GFFX combination.

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That is a valid argument. Why not optimize the AGP drivers for ATI's hardware, too? Well, it's probably easier to optimize drivers for two sets of hardware that you engineered. Although, you'd think that with AGP being a *standard*, it shouldn't matter much. Either that, or they're just trying to create a selling point for the NF3/GFFX combination.
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Yeah right its a valid argument.

Like the article said, maybe ATI would extend its onboard graphics and surround view to work with NV cards that are used in their motherboards?
I dont think so.

Or maybe I could get transparency mode and not have to hold my shift key down to not get a scrambled screen on my TV Wonder when this issue does not exist when using a TV Wonder (at least the one I own) with ATI cards?

They optimized for their cards, you spend the money and make a great chipset and a great video card so you are entitled to optimizing both to work together.
But not to optimize for ATI as well.
Would it HURT their business to do that?
No, but its their stuff, their R&D money.

Like I said, a better question would be why ATI does similar things for their products.
Simply put, its OK and fair on both ends.

Of course they are pushing a selling point for the GF/NF combo they created both.

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How is it fair that a user is forced to buy a particular Mobo in order to maximize their graphics performance.
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I dont know. Talk to Intel/VIA/Sis/ATI and tell them to work with Nvidia to get optimal performance out of their cards.
Its not NV's "fault" they spent the money to make this BONUS possible.

Its a BONUS from NV not a hinderance to anyone as the benchmarks show.

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Another thing I forgot to mention...
How did they achieve this performance increase???
What types of optimizations are in place?
Where are the screenies to compare IQ???
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STFU

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Kinney I have to agree with you here, Nvidia optimize for their own hardware, nothing wrong with that. Why would they help a competitor?

But from another point of view, fanATIcs would have to turn to VIA for the K8T800Pro for Athlon64 boards, but I think there are more anti-VIA people than fanATIcs.

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I am assuming it is for both, I'm hoping they stretch the platform performance bonus across all Geforces if possible. But I'm satisfied to hear it at least works on the FX and I would be 100% sure they've implemented the peformance bonus for the 6 series, but who knows if they benefit from them as much as the FXs.
There might be reasons why the 6 series wont benefit in the 36% range like the FXs.. maybe it will be better than nothing, but could range from even 0%- 50% boost.
I just dont know about that great of a boost for the 6800 Ultra, I would guess 35% or less because it is so fast already.. but who knows.

The article left me wondering on that note about the rest of the line.

Most of these writers leave me with more questions than answers!
Its torture I tell you!!

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Kinney I have to agree with you here, Nvidia optimize for their own hardware, nothing wrong with that. Why would they help a competitor?
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Rest assured they did everything possible to get maximum performance from all chipsets available.

Due to this fact, any performance boost from this optimization must be mostly from the motherboards side in the driver department.

But from another point of view, fanATIcs would have to turn to VIA for the K8T800Pro for Athlon64 boards, but I think there are more anti-VIA people than fanATIcs.
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Well, I dont know if a fanatic would really shy away from the nforces unless they were too ignorant for their own good and letting bias cloud their better judgement.
The NF boards are the best chipsets for the AMD stuff hands down in any category you look at.
I mean, if you really hate NV that much I would suggest moving to the Intel platform honestly.
Thats how important I think the NF is to the AMD platform.

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NV is gonna have a Intel chipset soon 😀
nForce 5 anyone? XD!!
I guess the pure fanatics will have to use Macs to avoid nVidia 😀

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NV is gonna have a Intel chipset soon 😀
nForce 5 anyone? XD!!
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Aye. As NV will likely dominate in that arena as well.
I believe they'll retain the great stability and reliability of the Intel chipsets (like they brought to the AMD crowd) with even more performance than the Intel chips provide.

I used to wish when AMD had dual ddr support first due to the NF2 that it couldve been ported to the Intel platform as it was starving for bandwidth outside of the RDRAM that I refused to invest in.
While the platform that had no use for it other than the IGP got this NV "first".
I'm going to compile a NV technology "first" list someday.. NV rocks.

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After reading this development, NV has sold me on my next motherboard.. It was going to be an Intel system with Intel chipset but now it will be an Nvidia board.. I'd take either one (Intel or AMD) just depends which one is out first. Since I'm buying a PCIE GF6800U anyway, looks like the AMD NF3 w/PCIE will be out before a NF3 Intel board.

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Another thing I forgot to mention...
How did they achieve this performance increase???
What types of optimizations are in place?
Where are the screenies to compare IQ???



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STFU
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So when a person asks about the validity of a company known to CHEAT CHEAT AND CHEAT some more to sell their products your "educated" response is ..
shut the f u c k up
 
I also wander if Nvidia would be kind enough to make a bios update for their NF3-150 series, so they get a boost as well...

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STFU
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that's your response to my reasonable questions? You're not at all curious as to how they achieved such great results. You don't wanna know what they did to achieve such an improvement. Even from a technological side I'm curious.

My issue with their boost is this...
Let's say I have a 5950 in an intel board, I've spent $400 on an NVidia product and yet I still can't take full advantage of its potential cause I prefer Pentium over Athlon.
That's what I have a problem with. A company that limits the performance on one of their products so that they make you buy two.
 
that's your response to my reasonable questions? You're not at all curious as to how they achieved such great results. You don't wanna know what they did to achieve such an improvement. Even from a technological side I'm curious.

My issue with their boost is this...
Let's say I have a 5950 in an intel board, I've spent $400 on an NVidia product and yet I still can't take full advantage of its potential cause I prefer Pentium over Athlon.
That's what I have a problem with. A company that limits the performance on one of their products so that they make you buy two.
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No its about being a dumbass saying its IQ hacks and needs examination.

The problem is the way you see it because its just not right.
They arent limiting performance on anything.
They merely control their own motherboard drivers so they are able to get them to work better with their video card drivers.

If NV ran Intel and VIA they could get the boosts on their products as well.

Its not a hinderance in anyway, and there is no hinderance in place.

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I also wander if Nvidia would be kind enough to make a bios update for their NF3-150 series, so they get a boost as well...
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Got me man.. but I'd bet on it.
But maybe not if it has anything to do with the 250/g chipset itself and if its not only software based.

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