GeForce GTX 760 Review: GK104 Shows Up (And Off) At $250

[SvRommelvS]

Does anyone else find it odd they did not release a new 670 as the 760 and save the 660 rename for the 750?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Ever considered the fact that scaling on older games decrease dramatically as cards get faster?
There is always an FPS wall when using old games to bench new cards, even with a very intense game like Crysis that was used till recently by many reviewers.

Always? Again it depends on the game and definitely on the platform. Crysis exhibits unique behaviour
IMO partly because it wasn't written that well. Crysis2 fares much better on older multiple cards. Saying
there's an FPS wall doesn't mean much when what people actually want to know varies a lot based
on their display res, platform, the game in question, what aspect of their setup they want to upgrade, etc.
Quite often, a decreasing return in improved FPS combines with very high numbers anyway, in which
case the gains are not visible (especially true at low res for older games), but at high res the situation
can be very different. At other times a proposed upgrade won't help at all because of a CPU bottleneck
(not all games are so CPU-bound; CoJ at high res for example, a game which btw seems to favour
AMD cards), but again it depends on the game/task. Each time you guys are stating absolutes when
really there just aren't any.

I'd genuinely like to know exactly what game & system spec/res/setup Mousemonkey is using but he
won't say (why?). If he's seeing two 900MHz 560Tis being beaten by a 660Ti, that really is useful info
and I'd be happy to add some data points to my site if I can, but not unless I have a full description. So
far he hasn't even stated which games he's tested, or given any recorded performance data.

I have to wonder if either of you have even bothered looking at my results...

Ian.

Because I think its irrelevant to your claim that's why.

 

[geok1ng]

Considering that Crossfire currently does not work ( same reviews would actually make one think that FRAPs CF numbers are fakes) NVIDIA is doing what is best for the consumers- bringing prices down on basically the same performance points. Its has done so with the 780, the 770 and now with the 760. While most of the tests were done at 1080p, the 760 can game at 1440p @ 2~4xAA and also at 1600p@0xAA. SLI tests with the 760 could help the owners of last generations hardware if its time to upgrade.

 

[mapesdhs]

Damn, I changed my homepage from washingtonpost.com because it took 10 friggin seconds to load. Your website has far more links and info and loaded instantly... Why don't more websites do this?

Because, kinda like Leonard says in BBT, if all sites created pages the way I do, the human race
couldn't survive. I write my pages by hand using a simple text editor ('jot' on an SGI) with
function key macros used to add basic HTML tags. I don't employ anything more complex than
image maps, and so far even those are only in my SGI for-sale section. I also incude image size
tags for every image (some sites don't do this in order to ensure advert images must be loaded
before the main text). End result is very lightweight pages (have a look at the source code for any
page), but they have zero flash & bling that many seem to love these days. I focus on raw data,
not visual bells & whistles. My site is accessed a lot by less sophisticated devices (more than 70
different types of browser), so I strive to keep it simple, which is also why it's visually boring.

I did look into changing it with a more modern styling, but several companies asked me not to.

Modern sites pull hundreds of elements from dozens of other sites when you load a page (I've
seen some sites where a page locks up just because it can't load a tiny icon image from facebook).
Then there's javascript processing going on, all sorts of things. My pages don't do any of that, so
they download fast.

Ian.

 

[mapesdhs]

Because I think its irrelevant to your claim that's why.

What a bizarre thing to say. Someone demands proof yet refuses to provide their own. I don't
have claims, I have concrete numbers & data which people can utilise to help in their buying
decisions; by contrast, you've provided nothing useful at all. If I adopted the same peculiar logic,
I would have to infer your comments must be false since you've provided no data.

Like I say, run 3DMark11/13 in both Performance and Extreme modes, send me the info, I'll be
happy to add it to my site. Otherwise, you're just trolling.

Ian.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Because I think its irrelevant to your claim that's why.

What a bizarre thing to say. Someone demands proof yet refuses to provide their own. I don't
have claims, I have concrete numbers & data which people can utilise to help in their buying
decisions; by contrast, you've provided nothing useful at all. If I adopted the same peculiar logic,
I would have to infer your comments must be false since you've provided no data.

Like I say, run 3DMark11/13 in both Performance and Extreme modes, send me the info, I'll be
happy to add it to my site. Otherwise, you're just trolling.

Ian.

Send me the full versions of those programs and I'll happily run them for you and be wary of calling me names as I don't react well to insults.

 

[Stealthman80]

I don't know pricing is a little messed up compared to what I'm seeing locally here. I bought 2 Sapphire 7870XTs for 220$ each a little while ago. The prices on these 760's range from 270-290$ and the cheapest 7950 is 300$ These prices are Canadian so maybe that has something to do with it...but the 760's are at least 30-40$ more then the 7870XT's, and overclocked this card is basically a stock 7950. Seems like its still a better deal to me

 

[BoredErica]

"I just hope Skyrim players with 660s don't upgrade on the assumption newer model names mean better performance, but I expect some will."
760 is better than 660 though.

 

[Wisecracker]

tomfreak, two good 460s are somewhat less than a single 670 (VRAM limits not
withstanding), while two 560s will be similar since they're just oc'd 460s and
most of them had slower clocks than the best 460s. Two 560Tis can be usefully
better, matching a 670, or even matching a 680 if oc'd, but again VRAM capacity
may be an issue, though for all these older cards there were 2GB versions
available (but often with slower clocks; I have two oc'd 2GB 460s @ 800MHz
which run quite well). My gaming PC still has two 900MHz 1GB 560TIs which are
quicker than a 670 at stock, quicker than a 680 oc'd, at least when the 1GB limit
is not an issue. They certainly cope with Crysis2 at high detail well enough.

However, comparing to these newer 600/700 cards, the only older cards that
do still perform well by comparison (by that I mean the potential gain from SLI)
are the 570/580, again assuming VRAM capacity is not a factor, though the
3GB 580 definitely shines here. Indeed, two 580s SLI are almost identical in
performance to a single 780 for 3DMark11, eg. see:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5516/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-2gb-video-card-review/index4.html

Here are my 3DMark11 results for two 797MHz 1.5GB 580s:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6683648
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6683683

If you want lots more 460/560 data, see my site:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC

Ian.

PS. I don't include the 470/480 because they run too hot for my liking
and thus I wouldn't use either in SLI.

Damn, I changed my homepage from washingtonpost.com because it took 10 friggin seconds to load. Your website has far more links and info and loaded instantly... Why don't more websites do this?

WaPo just set up a paywall over the last few weeks and runs somewhere in the range of 80 scripts ... including a good many associated with a mobile version re-direct (which attempts to load first, and is much, much more faster than the regular web site).

 

[warezme]

All these benchs lead to one conclusion. 1920x1080 is not and has not been worthy of the high resolution standard for several years now. Why the mobile industry pushes higher and higher resolutions yet mainstream monitors are stuck at 1920x1080? I have 3 1920x1080's and those will be the last monitors at that resolution I will ever buy.

 

[17seconds]

Good news for video card buyers. We were thinking $300 for one of these, so $250 is a pleasant surprise. Prepare to see prices go down across the board.

It really is too bad for AMD as last month's sales numbers did not look good, even with the game bundles and price cuts. The GTX 760 is going to really put the pressure on, and that's a good thing for consumers.

 

[cirslevin]

I just bought a 7950 boost for $259. Is tomshardware telling me I am delusional or something?

 

[Novuake]

I just bought a 7950 boost for $259. Is tomshardware telling me I am delusional or something?

Not really, there are reasons to consider either at 250ish price range, IF you are an oveclocker you can coax a lot more power from the HD7950 than you ever can with a GTX760. BUT since very few people OC considerably adn that the HD7950 is generally more expensive(not for much longer), the GTX760 has the recommendation from Toms and me.

 

[g-unit1111]

If AMD hit a home run by bundling a bunch of games with its' cards, NVIDIA answered back with a grand slam.

 

[jrstriker12]

Nice! My planned PC build is getting cheaper each month. Was looking at the 7950 Boost and maybe a discounted 7970 - but it's hard to justify at this price.

My only reservation that is still keeping AMD in consideration is whether or not AMD will manage to get some sort of edge since PC ports of PS4 and Xbox One Games will likely to be optimized for AMD hardware from the start - http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/07/amd-say-pc-ports-of-next-generation-console-titles-are-likely-to-struggle-on-intel-tech/

.... or is that just marketing?

Also seems like the AMD cards have an slight advantage on compute intensive games.

 

[Novuake]

Both tasks, gaming and folding.

Again, no useful/relevant detail, so a pointless comment. QED.

And it's pretty obvious I wasn't talking about folding btw, that's an area I haven't
investigated at all because it's not what people on forums are asking about.

Ian.

You clearly have not had much to do with Mouse on the forum... You are just freaking out over nothing. Chill...

 

[pauldh]

I just bought a 7950 boost for $259. Is tomshardware telling me I am delusional or something?

Nope, great price with the bundled games! Enjoy it!

Unless of course that was after mail-in rebate, which isn't the same as instant prices. Still not bad. But I don't like paying sales tax on a full price, then factoring rebates which many folks fail to mail or receive.

 

[CaptainTom]

AMD is losing a lot of money allowing Nvidia to rule all categories like this! AMD must release Radeon 8970/8950 NOW!

How do you know they are losing money? I still see 7970's sold out on a regular basis! The fact is AMD has been making the same cards for 1.5 years and they can still easily compete with Nvidia's "New" gen. That means they are profiting a ton of money using the same old process this long.

Just wait until fall when the 9970 will release and blow the titan completely out of the water...

 

[jimmyzt]

WOW! I just found the BEST BANG for the buck. nice

 

[jrstriker12]

Looks like the EVGA models have the same fans as the reference cards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130935

 

[svvparakala]

Is the price difference worth buying a 760 instead of the 660?

 

[CheesyHotDogPuff]

Free games or better performance... first world problems.

 

[Dave Rainey]

@mapesdhs: I was unable to locate on your sight where you tested 560ti SLI vs 680 OC. Please advise

 

[17seconds]

@1920x1200:

A pair of stock GTX 560 Ti's in SLI is +11% over a GTX 580.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_560_Ti_SLI/23.html

A GTX 680 is +25% over a GTX 580.
A GTX 670 is +17% over a GTX 580.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/28.html

 

[JJ1217]

Why is the phantom cooler sooo crap? Same with Palit's Jetstream.. basically 3 slot coolers that are loud and hot. Defeats the purpose.