Germany Removes Doom Sales Ban After 17 Years

[Guest]

A German commission that evaluates potentially harmful media to youths (BPjM) decided that the historical value of the FPS Doom is greater that its potential negative effects that may promote violence in teenagers.

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[aznshinobi]

I'm sure they've torrented Doom by now.

 

[bugo30]

I'm pretty sure it's been open source for more than ten years.

 

[el33t]

............the historical value of the FPS Doom is greater that its potential negative effects..........

Hmmm... so it seems the world can unban porn magazines after 17yrs cause by then it's historical value would supercede its harmful effects. Sounds so sensible to me.

 

[Archean]

You forgot to ask the next logical question, i.e. what is more harmful pron or FPS like Doom? I'll be inclined to say the earlier one is more dangerous.

 

[back_by_demand]

This is very progressive for the Germans, I reckon we only have to wait for another 100 years before they teach kids that there was a WW2.

 

[aaron88_7]

We need a worldwide ban on stupidity

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]We need a worldwide ban on stupidity[/citation]
6 billion people would be affected, making it unenforcable.

 

[Andrei24]

unban carmagedon

 

[ojas]

I kind of feel bad for the Germans, the Nazi legacy causes them a lot of problems.

At the same time,

Wolfenstein 3D's ban will be lifted in 2017.

Which means that they can play it at 1000fps with 32x super-sampling AA on a 1080p screen. \m/

 

[Guest]

back_by_demand In truth they're taught little else.

 

[Guest]

Ah Doom...the seminal FPS...the one that spiritually started it all(although not technically). If PC gamers would carry a banner it would be DOOM.

 

[cookoy]

Doom and Wolfenstein with Sound Blaster at full blast, those were the good old days

 

[Guest]

@Back_on_demand: I am pretty sure in German, Austria and other very much affected countries of WW2, that there is more and a tougher, deeper view into WW2 in historylessons than in any other country.
Or did u mean that with sarcasm...

 

[drwho1]

[citation][nom]alonso[/nom]@Back_on_demand: I am pretty sure in German, Austria and other very much affected countries of WW2, that there is more and a tougher, deeper view into WW2 in historylessons than in any other country.Or did u mean that with sarcasm...[/citation]

Not sure if you are serious.
Germans cause WWII and if they would have gotten away with their evil intentions we would be in a very different world right now.

As for Doom, I never cared for that game, it was VERY unrealistic to me even then, now Wolfestein 3D that was and still is the only FPS game that I have liked. (still play sometimes)

 

[Archean]

I don't think WWII was totally Germany's fault, in fact prevalent point of view before the WWII was that Versailles Treaty unfairly treated the Germans. Hence before the German march into Czechoslokia most British opinion thought the German claim to take back Danzig was reasonable and that the corridor was an anomaly of the Versailles Treaty, widely considered to be unjust. I mentioned Brits because they were the ones who on insistence of the Pols ended up escalating the war. So the blame can't squarely be placed on Germans, but they can however be blamed for many other things which weren't so humane.

 

[nforce4max]

It will be centuries before Europe ever gets it's mental issues sorted out about that period in time. The older generation has dealt with it well but the younger folk now days need a lot of help. Then again the rest of the world isn't any better but there is nothing to fear about the past. Time to heal those wounds and cover those scars and try to move on.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]Archean[/nom]I don't think WWII was totally Germany's fault, in fact prevalent point of view before the WWII was that Versailles Treaty unfairly treated the Germans. Hence before the German march into Czechoslokia most British opinion thought the German claim to take back Danzig was reasonable and that the corridor was an anomaly of the Versailles Treaty, widely considered to be unjust. I mentioned Brits because they were the ones who on insistence of the Pols ended up escalating the war. So the blame can't squarely be placed on Germans, but they can however be blamed for many other things which weren't so humane.[/citation]
After WW1 we made them pay war reparations, which they were able to fund because of huge loans from America. Hitler tried to grab power once and was thrown in prison for being a loony. Of course when the Great Depression hit in the USA the loans stopped and all money for rebuilding and war reparations dropped off to nothing.
Hitler grabbed for power again but this time was able to point at a weak administration coupled with scapegoating immigrants and Jews.
Anger against the Government, setting up the Communists and rigging some votes got him in power.
The rest is history, so to speak.

The short version is that Hitler would have been thrown in prison a second time if the Government hadn't been undercut by the USA, so really youy could say that in terms of setting up dominoes to fall the second world war was caused by the Great Depression in the USA.

I expect to be heavily thumbed down, but before you do think for a second about why you now pump so much money into nation building after wars finish in places like Iraq, to try and avoid trouble flaring up again a few years later which ultimately would start another war which would cost more money and lives than the first one.

 

[JimmiG]

[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]Not sure if you are serious.Germans cause WWII and if they would have gotten away with their evil intentions we would be in a very different world right now.[/citation]

I think you need to take another look at the world. What happened in Germany has happened many times since, in many different parts of the world. The western world often chooses to not see, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Speaking of "evil", those antisemitic and racist ideas were not unique to Germany at the time. They existed throughout Europe and the US. Nazi Germany might as well have been Nazi Hungary or Nazi USA, under the right (wrong) circumstances.

 

[Archean]

A fair argument I'd say. But Iraq was a false war, and Libya is a typical imperial smash and grab adventure. Anyway, that is another debate for another time.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]Archean[/nom]A fair argument I'd say. But Iraq was a false war, and Libya is a typical imperial smash and grab adventure. Anyway, that is another debate for another time.[/citation]
That's not true either, all the Western nations had big lucrative oil contracts and had been buying relatively cheap oil from Libya for decades even after they blew up people over Lockerbie and shot Police officers dead in the streets of London.
After Gaddafi has gone we will still buy oil for Libya, but now we are all down a few billion dollars for the effort.
Not exactly a smash and grab is it...

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]After WW1 we made them pay war reparations, which they were able to fund because of huge loans from America. Hitler tried to grab power once and was thrown in prison for being a loony. Of course when the Great Depression hit in the USA the loans stopped and all money for rebuilding and war reparations dropped off to nothing.Hitler grabbed for power again but this time was able to point at a weak administration coupled with scapegoating immigrants and Jews.Anger against the Government, setting up the Communists and rigging some votes got him in power.The rest is history, so to speak.The short version is that Hitler would have been thrown in prison a second time if the Government hadn't been undercut by the USA, so really youy could say that in terms of setting up dominoes to fall the second world war was caused by the Great Depression in the USA.I expect to be heavily thumbed down, but before you do think for a second about why you now pump so much money into nation building after wars finish in places like Iraq, to try and avoid trouble flaring up again a few years later which ultimately would start another war which would cost more money and lives than the first one.[/citation]

i thumbed you up, but that last reason is... well... no.

most of the time, war is really just for the nation, not on the people. basically, you have to clean up your mess... if a whole nation of people all believed the same thing, and if they were shown the light, such as the death camps (i believe that was a highly guarded secret from the normal citizens) most of them will will do the good thing, and not the bad.

why punish the citizens when you take out the root of the evil?

lets say your dad was evil, and you knew it, but had no way to stop him. to get him, i rammed a car into your home to make a doorway, threw a grenade into your toilet, and finally offed your dad, than did 3 doughnuts in your front lawn and left.

your dad was evil and you are thankful hes gone, but if i don't pay for repair of your home... well... that would foster anger, punishing you by association.

bring that up to a more national view, and i hope you get my point.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]i thumbed you up, but that last reason is... well... no.most of the time, war is really just for the nation, not on the people. basically, you have to clean up your mess... if a whole nation of people all believed the same thing, and if they were shown the light, such as the death camps (i believe that was a highly guarded secret from the normal citizens) most of them will will do the good thing, and not the bad.why punish the citizens when you take out the root of the evil?lets say your dad was evil, and you knew it, but had no way to stop him. to get him, i rammed a car into your home to make a doorway, threw a grenade into your toilet, and finally offed your dad, than did 3 doughnuts in your front lawn and left. your dad was evil and you are thankful hes gone, but if i don't pay for repair of your home... well... that would foster anger, punishing you by association.bring that up to a more national view, and i hope you get my point.[/citation]
No, I don't get your point, war reparations were enforced after WW1 and I never said it was right or wrong only that it happened, after WW2 war reparations were not enforced so that pretty much says everything. The Allies knew what caused the Weimar Republic to crumble and since then have you ever seen a beaten side in a war against the USA have to pay reparations? No, because WW2 is the best lesson in how not to have WW3.

 

[back_by_demand]

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar_depression_1929.htm
The cause of WW2, the 101 version for dummies.

 

[aaron88_7]

WW2 was caused by numerous factors, including paranoia, overt national patriotism, in addition to racist attitudes towards minorities.

Good thing we all learned a lesson from that horrible war!