Get 4850 or wait for RV870?

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Well, I was just going to buy a 4850 when I heard that RV870 could come by Q2 09. Should I wait? Or will the Q6600 bottleneck anything faster than a 4850? I game at 1440 x 900- crysis, cod4,waw,mw2, me, etc. Also, should I go ahead with Palit? I heard they're closing down.
 

jennyh

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Palit aren't closing down, they are just shutting up shop in the US. Right now is a bad time to be buying any graphics card, there are just too many good cards on the near horizon.
 

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the 5000 series wont be out before october november. Its more than 6 months probably. Its not worth it to wait for so long, my Suggestion is , get the 4850 or the new 4750 (when its out, early May). you can always upgrade next year if you find need.
 

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Is it the 4770, 4750, or both that are slower than the 4850? I'm considering if I should buy a 4850 now or wait a bit.
 

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The 4770 and 4750 haven't actually been released yet, so we can't be sure of their performance, but I think they're due out very soon, so waiting probably wouldn't hurt.
 
Basically the RV740 will be a little faster than the Radeon 4830, well the top model 740 anway, which is way faster than the 8600GT you have right now. If you had like 9600 GSO or a Radeon 3850 I'd say you may wanna wait till the R870, but considering you have an 8600GT I'd say you've waited long enough :). It's up to you of course.
 

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Wait for DX 11 since it could come only within 5 months and DX 10/10.1 could be obsolete soon. DX 10 cards would still work but the problem is you could not play DX 11 games with full DX 11 features. You can still play the games however but not as DX 11 games but as DX 10 games. If you wanted to play DX 11 games or be able to use full DX 11 features then you need to wait for DX 11 GPUs. This would also future proof yourself for the next 2-3 years which means that your video card is able to work fully well with future DX 11 games and future product features which may also use OpenCL. Personally, I've been waiting for 1 year and I am still building my PC. I have no problem at all.
 

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PS: RV740 and RV790 are just fillers for the gap between DX 10 and DX 11 generations so I would not even waist my money for that. ATI did that just to respond to NVIDIA's Geforce GTX 285 and Geforce GTX 295.
 

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However you should choose 256 bit memory interface.Coz Fast Gpu just let you can play High graphic game but may be not smooth
 
Cant see the point of waiting for a DX11 card, unless you know of any must have games in the works that are DX11 only ? How mant DX10 only games are there, just to be clear thats games coded specifically for DX10, not DX9 games with DX10 features sprinckled on like Crysis.

The 256bit interface vs 128bit dosent really matter, ATI are giving some of the new cards GDDR5 which more than makes up for the lost bandwidth. Also the existing 4670 (128 bit)has only GDDR3 but is a slightly better performer than the 3850 (256 bit). The differance is made up inthe clock speed i beleive.

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I was looking into the future and I was talking about future proofing yourself for the next 2-3 years or when there are many DX 11 games in the market. If you look just to play current DX 10 games in the present then it is ok to go with DX 10 card but that will not future proof you for the next 2-3 yrs. You will still stuck with DX 10 and not be able to use full DX 11 features with current DX 10 cards (even if it will still allow you to play future games). That is my point.
 

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Yes you can future proof yourself with DX 11 for the next 2-3 years or before newer tech like DX 12 comes out. ;)

So you can fully use future full DX 11 features as well as OpenCL without any problem.

Certainly, I did not say that DX 11 is not going to be obsolete, someday it would but it would still work totally well for the next 2-3 years or before DX 12 comes out. You see what meant?

I meant future proofing ourselves for next 2-3 years only before DX 12 comes out. It would be a no brainer to get something that would be obsolete within only 5 months when newer tech comes out or something that could not work 100% well for the next 2-3 years unless if you cannot wait until newer tech comes out. Personally I have no problem about waiting for DX 11 and I am still doing it for the sake of future proofing myself for the next 2-3 years so that I can enjoy full DX 11 games and joining the new graphics era of DX 11. Isn't wonderful? :bounce:

Of course, it is still my personal prediction that DX 11 can live for another 2-3 years and that DX 10 would be obsolete soon (I hope but I don't guarantee anyone) but this is still a reasonable good advice I could give to anyone.
 

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Ummm... sure... OK...

You could purchase a DX11 card as soon as they come out and yes, it will work in DX11 for it's entire life. However, no card's hardware performance on it's release is going to be on-par with newer, top-performing cards that come 6 months from then, let alone a year later and beyond. Therefore, no video card, nor any computer hardware at all, is ever "future-proof." Eventually, there comes a time where all video cards cannot perform at acceptable speeds, and the length of time seems to be growing shorter and shorter with how quickly computer technology has been advancing over recent years. It was the hardware to which I was referring, not the DirectX version.

Did the elongated version of what I said at first explain it any better?
 

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It all depends on your perception of "acceptable speeds". My X850XT lasted me till last Fall.

But it's true. Waiting to buy a DX11 card is silly because by the time games really use DX11, a much better DX11 card will be out, that will perform better. While waiting may be a good thing, waiting just because the next generation will have a new DX version is not optimal.

Though, more programmable shaders might let a DX11 card be usable in a similar manner as Nvidia's for Physx, a second (possibly) lesser card used as a physics/secondary processing unit. But I haven't actually heard about that, just an idea from what I do know.
 

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Well, certainly that we could not future proof ourselves forever but we can still future proof ourselves for certain period of time. I agree that no product can future proof ourselves forever.

I don't think that waiting for DX 11 is silly because it is just a matter of waiting for only about 5 months before DX 11 comes out. I have no problem with waiting. Waiting for only about 5 months in order to get newer tech is definitely not silly. It does not even matter when DX 11 games comes out but is a matter of saving money and choosing a product that can last much longer.

Actually, it is the opposite, it is actually silly not to save money and buy now and not to wait for a newer tech that is about to come out soon. Not to also mention that ATI and NVIDIA are currently rehashing the old tech again and again that I would not certainly buy like the HD 4890 and GTX 275 before they release the newer tech to customers. ;)