Getting restarts and error "Overcloacking Failed Please enter setup to re-configure your system

[fluffzbunny]

SO this is my 4th time on here dealing with this.
Specs
i5-4690k
MSI Krait sli edition z97a
gtx 970
8 gigs of ram

I been having this probelm for a while now. I got my mobo RMA MSI sent me a new one a guy on here suggested its my PSU I sent my old one in to corsair they sent me back a brand new one. After 2 days of use everything was fine. I OC my i5-4690k to 4.0ghz something that I did all the time before this happened without fail. I have a 3rd party heatsink on it and I have reapplied thermal on it numerous of times. My temps are fine. getting around 30c to 40c on standby and 50c while playing games and streaming. I want to say its just my CPU but I don't know for sure.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

What about your voltage? You may need to increase vcore.

 

[DigitalHamster]

For troubleshooting...

First reset the BIOS back to defaults. You can either do this by resetting it using the BIOS menu, or powering off your PC and removing the silver button battery for 30 seconds, then putting it back in (Just more than 20 seconds really).

If you are still getting an overclocking failure at stock speeds and settings, it will mean that something is not quite right, and will need to be returned.
From the sounds of it, the failing component will either be the CPU or RAM. I would suggest trying a friend's kit (if they will let you) just to check.
You will have to reset the BIOS with battery method when swapping RAM to make sure it works properly.

If all works fine stock, gradually reapply any overclocks.
As soon as an overclock causes instability, either increase the respective voltages by a small amount or back down the clock.
It is fairly common for chips to 'hit a wall' which means they require loads more voltage to go any faster.
With my i7 4790k, 4.6GHz works nicely at 1.278v but 4.7GHz is not stable even at 1.3v.

 

[elbert]

Depending on the silcon lotter you may need a bit more voltage. Your CPU would need on average about 1.275v at 4Ghz. I wouldn't suggest going over 1.3v for 24/7 operation. Stock voltage wouldn't always get you to 4Ghz.

 

[fluffzbunny]

What about your voltage? You may need to increase vcore.

Could you tell me what my voltage should be like? I have a 650w psu. Never thought about that.

 

[DigitalHamster]

Basically, in the BIOS under the overclocking settings, set the voltage mode to 'Adaptive', with the offset sign set to '+'.
Next, add in an offset of 0.015v, which will add 0.015v at turbo clocks.
Be very careful and make sure the offset really is 0.0xx V. An accidental high voltage can be dangerous!
If it is stable, increase the multiplier of the CPU by 1.
If unstable, add a little more to the offset. I would call it quits if you need more than 1.3v to keep the thing stable.
For me, that is an offset around 0.075v, with a different CPU, but yours should be similar.

 

[fluffzbunny]

Basically, in the BIOS under the overclocking settings, set the voltage mode to 'Adaptive', with the offset sign set to '+'.
Next, add in an offset of 0.015v, which will add 0.015v at turbo clocks.
Be very careful and make sure the offset really is 0.0xx V. An accidental high voltage can be dangerous!
If it is stable, increase the multiplier of the CPU by 1.
If unstable, add a little more to the offset. I would call it quits if you need more than 1.3v to keep the thing stable.
For me, that is an offset around 0.075v, with a different CPU, but yours should be similar.

I'm such a noob with OC I just push the OC genie and that is supposed to be the safest OC for my hardware I'm pretty sure it changes my voltagea too. I will take a screen shot of it when I get home.

 

[DigitalHamster]

I have an Asus Z-97A and the only time I tried the OC 'genie' it messed up and wouldn't boot.
Personally it was not a genius but pretty retarded.
Doing it manually requires some care and attention but should give you much better results

The genie will change the voltages, but usually puts them higher than they need to be, which means more heat and noise.
I am a little biased based on my crappy experience but it's worth trying manually just to check.

 

[fluffzbunny]

I have an Asus Z-97A and the only time I tried the OC 'genie' it messed up and wouldn't boot.
Personally it was not a genius but pretty retarded.
Doing it manually requires some care and attention but should give you much better results

The genie will change the voltages, but usually puts them higher than they need to be, which means more heat and noise.
I am a little biased based on my crappy experience but it's worth trying manually just to check.

I'll try manually just hold my hand.

 

[Karadjgne]

Intel knows ALL about the silicon lottery. Consequently, in order to cover their ash and guarantee that all cpus made will be stable at rated speeds, they bump the stock voltages to ridiculous levels to start with. OC Genie doesn't really play much with the voltages at stage 1 or even stage 2 OC, what it does play with is your BCLK. BCLK is set naturally for 100.00MHz, and thats the speed that is communicated throughout the pc, affects the pcie, ram, hdd, ssd, cpu, pretty much everything is happy at 100. OC genie starts by raising that to about 103.7 if I remember right. That'll bump up the ram speeds, and everything else to try and communicate faster. Stage 2 is like 105.2. This works in tandem with the multiplier. If your cpu normally works at 34 x 100.00MHz for a 3.4GHz at 34 multiplier, raising BCLK to 105.2 will show an OC like 3.58GHz, but it'll also bump the multiplier to 38, which gives a 4.0GHz OC at 38 multiplier. And this can be done on stock voltages which h at rated turbo are usually around 1.25v vcore. But thats assuming that everything will play well with the faster BCLK, which is a failing. Cheaper ram in particular doesn't. It'll go to its top rated XMP and that's it. So running 1600 at XMP 1 would get you 1866MHz, but with a 105.2 BCLK you are asking the ram to run 1964MHz at its 1.5v and it probably won't, either without a voltage bump to 1.52v or maybe it won't at all, which will give you your OC failure warning.

Pretty much, if you want to OC and do it right, do the research, watch the videos, surf the Asus / MSI forums, Google OC on your mobo etc and learn how to do it manually, do not rely on a software to do it for you, it's not reliable. As you've found out.

 

[fluffzbunny]

Intel knows ALL about the silicon lottery. Consequently, in order to cover their ash and guarantee that all cpus made will be stable at rated speeds, they bump the stock voltages to ridiculous levels to start with. OC Genie doesn't really play much with the voltages at stage 1 or even stage 2 OC, what it does play with is your BCLK. BCLK is set naturally for 100.00MHz, and thats the speed that is communicated throughout the pc, affects the pcie, ram, hdd, ssd, cpu, pretty much everything is happy at 100. OC genie starts by raising that to about 103.7 if I remember right. That'll bump up the ram speeds, and everything else to try and communicate faster. Stage 2 is like 105.2. This works in tandem with the multiplier. If your cpu normally works at 34 x 100.00MHz for a 3.4GHz at 34 multiplier, raising BCLK to 105.2 will show an OC like 3.58GHz, but it'll also bump the multiplier to 38, which gives a 4.0GHz OC at 38 multiplier. And this can be done on stock voltages which h at rated turbo are usually around 1.25v vcore. But thats assuming that everything will play well with the faster BCLK, which is a failing. Cheaper ram in particular doesn't. It'll go to its top rated XMP and that's it. So running 1600 at XMP 1 would get you 1866MHz, but with a 105.2 BCLK you are asking the ram to run 1964MHz at its 1.5v and it probably won't, either without a voltage bump to 1.52v or maybe it won't at all, which will give you your OC failure warning.

Pretty much, if you want to OC and do it right, do the research, watch the videos, surf the Asus / MSI forums, Google OC on your mobo etc and learn how to do it manually, do not rely on a software to do it for you, it's not reliable. As you've found out.

I guess your right. I'm running 1600hmz on ram but it's not cheap ram they are able to run 1600hmz. I guess I'll stop being lazy.

 

[fluffzbunny]

Ok update. Took off the overclocking don't get the overclocking error anymore. It still restarts once a day. Today tho it just kept restarting over and over get to my home screen restarts. did this for a while it is now stable. but I found out if i unplug my USB stuff just the wifi adapter usb 4 port external port and my mic it is good. Then i plug them back in and everything so far is fine. Do you think one of my USBs is busted or that I'm taking too much power from the USBs causing the computer resetting over limited power?

 

[Karadjgne]

There's a known issue with some USB add-ons, it has to do with the design of the newer Intel chipsets. USB devices are controlled by xHCI and some USB devices are still running legacy firmware so can result in conflicts. You can try to disable xHCI at boot, or if like me and can't via bios, I set bios to accept both uefi and legacy at boot options. If that doesn't work, you are pretty much stuck with trying for find the exact culprit over many boots and just not plugging that device in until after boot. It affects the mouse, keyboard, external hdds, joysticks, printers, hubs, even some cell phones left on charge ports so basically could be anything.

 

[fluffzbunny]

There's a known issue with some USB add-ons, it has to do with the design of the newer Intel chipsets. USB devices are controlled by xHCI and some USB devices are still running legacy firmware so can result in conflicts. You can try to disable xHCI at boot, or if like me and can't via bios, I set bios to accept both uefi and legacy at boot options. If that doesn't work, you are pretty much stuck with trying for find the exact culprit over many boots and just not plugging that device in until after boot. It affects the mouse, keyboard, external hdds, joysticks, printers, hubs, even some cell phones left on charge ports so basically could be anything.

I'm just confused. It was working for a good 2 hours and now I had a random reatart then it loops to error overclock which nothing is overclocked and just keeps doing that till I take out USBs. Then it random restarts to main desktop a couple of times. Is this CPU failing.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Have you tried resetting the BIOS?

 

[fluffzbunny]

OK now I can't get out of this loop cycle at all. Just loops overclocking error restarts back to overclocking error. Can't do anything can't even use BIOS. This happened to my old Mobo before MSI gave me a new one. WTF is happening how did I get here again?

 

[Karadjgne]

Open up the pc, and right under the gpu is a watch battery. Pull that out, count to 20, stick back in. That'll reset the bios.
Sometimes there's an issue with software like OC genie either not fully reseting when it's turned off, or you have it manually turned on by the switch on the motherboard. Just make sure it's off

 

[fluffzbunny]

Open up the pc, and right under the gpu is a watch battery. Pull that out, count to 20, stick back in. That'll reset the bios.
Sometimes there's an issue with software like OC genie either not fully reseting when it's turned off, or you have it manually turned on by the switch on the motherboard. Just make sure it's off

I have done this countless times already. I'm getting ahold of MSI for another RMA. I'm glad I have a back up PC. But still want to get this crap to working. You think my CPU is the problem that is causing my MOBOs to fail. Or am I getting really unlucky with these MSI boards

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Sometimes it may take longer than 20 seconds. I'd leave it out for several minutes or use the jumper (read mobo manual) just to be sure it reset before I RMA'd.

 

[fluffzbunny]

Sometimes it may take longer than 20 seconds. I'd leave it out for several minutes or use the jumper (read mobo manual) just to be sure it reset before I RMA'd.

I can never find the jumper on the mobo and it never came with jumper cables but i have left it out for a whole night. and get to the home screen and then it restarts after 10 minutes of that. I'm hoping MSI just gives me another MOBO to try again lol. If that one fails I'm going to say its my CPU and I will just have to upgrade Ill just have to get a ddr4 compatible MOBO and a nice i7 and not mess with this crap again. I'm about had it lol. i'm just glad i have a back up PC with a gtx 970 and a i5 6400. works for now.

 

[Karadjgne]

I have a msi z77 mpower and its been great. So I'm a little biased. I've also got an Asus, but it's the low end p8z77-v LE, needless to to say I'm not that impressed except for the fan software