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Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be

1. first person again
2. take place in mostly urban settings

Jonah Falcon
 
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 23:00:17 GMT, "miket6065"
<miket6065@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I thought it was cancelled??

2 was cancelled on the PC, now they have the nerve to announce 3 for
the PC.
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
<jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
>
>1. first person again
>2. take place in mostly urban settings
>
>Jonah Falcon
>
>

Here we go again......

Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
(such as Id ) has become scandalous.

Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
Iron-Curtain countries.

John Lewis
 
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:42852410.5326754@news.verizon.net...
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
> <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
> >
> >1. first person again
> >2. take place in mostly urban settings
> >
> >Jonah Falcon
> >
> >
>
> Here we go again......
>
> Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
> game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
> bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
> sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
> constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
> reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
> total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
> (such as Id ) has become scandalous.
>
> Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
> crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
> computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
> supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
> Iron-Curtain countries.
>
> John Lewis
>

You may be on to something. What are some of your fav euro games that
include these "good ideas"?
 
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Andrew wrote:

that was exactly what i felt when i heard the news
its really despicable what ubisoft did with ghost recon 2
but there is reasons why it happen and we must think about
them and act so in the future it will not happen again

--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam
 
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Andrew wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 23:00:17 GMT, "miket6065"
> <miket6065@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I thought it was cancelled??
>
>
> 2 was cancelled on the PC, now they have the nerve to announce 3 for
> the PC.

Well it's kind of hard to cancel Ghost Recon 3 for the PC later if they
don't announce it now, right? Geez, give them a break already...
 
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JoeSmooth wrote:
> "John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:42852410.5326754@news.verizon.net...
>
>>On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
>><jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
>>>
>>>1. first person again
>>>2. take place in mostly urban settings
>>>
>>>Jonah Falcon
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Here we go again......
>>
>>Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
>>game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
>>bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
>>sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
>>constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
>>reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
>>total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
>>(such as Id ) has become scandalous.
>>
>>Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
>>crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
>>computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
>>supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
>>Iron-Curtain countries.
>>
>>John Lewis
>>
>
>
> You may be on to something. What are some of your fav euro games that
> include these "good ideas"?
>
>
>
I'll answer that for him. Off the top of my head I can think of three:
1. Far Cry
2. Far Cry
3. Far Cry
 
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 21:36:04 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:

>
>"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:42852410.5326754@news.verizon.net...
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
>> <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
>> >
>> >1. first person again
>> >2. take place in mostly urban settings
>> >
>> >Jonah Falcon
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Here we go again......
>>
>> Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
>> game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
>> bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
>> sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
>> constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
>> reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
>> total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
>> (such as Id ) has become scandalous.
>>
>> Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
>> crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
>> computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
>> supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
>> Iron-Curtain countries.
>>
>> John Lewis
>>
>
>You may be on to something. What are some of your fav euro games that
>include these "good ideas"?
>

A very small sampling from Europe..........

Operation Flashpoint (Czech)
Far Cry (Germany)
'Battlefield' series (Sweden)
Mafia (Czech)
Vietcong (Czech)
Hidden and Dangerous 1 & 2 (Czech)
Gothic 1 & 2 (German)
Broken Sword series ( UK)
Max Payne 1 & 2 (Finland)
Beyond Good and Evil (French)
Serious Sam (Croatia)
.............................

..... thinking about the last two, I should have added "great fun
elements" ( instead of dingy corridors and depressing monsters )
to my "good ideas" statement

John Lewis
>
>
 
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:428565d6.22166583@news.verizon.net...
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 21:36:04 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:42852410.5326754@news.verizon.net...
> >> On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
> >> <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
> >> >
> >> >1. first person again
> >> >2. take place in mostly urban settings
> >> >
> >> >Jonah Falcon
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Here we go again......
> >>
> >> Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
> >> game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
> >> bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
> >> sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
> >> constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
> >> reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
> >> total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
> >> (such as Id ) has become scandalous.
> >>
> >> Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
> >> crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
> >> computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
> >> supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
> >> Iron-Curtain countries.
> >>
> >> John Lewis
> >>
> >
> >You may be on to something. What are some of your fav euro games that
> >include these "good ideas"?
> >
>
> A very small sampling from Europe..........
>
> Operation Flashpoint (Czech)
> Far Cry (Germany)
> 'Battlefield' series (Sweden)
> Mafia (Czech)
> Vietcong (Czech)
> Hidden and Dangerous 1 & 2 (Czech)
> Gothic 1 & 2 (German)
> Broken Sword series ( UK)
> Max Payne 1 & 2 (Finland)
> Beyond Good and Evil (French)
> Serious Sam (Croatia)


That's quite a list. I've played about half and I see your point inovation
verses cranking out sequals for profit, which doesn't have to mean that
innovation stops but it often does.

Black & White, Hitman, and the GTA series stand out for me as games that (at
least originally) tried new things, but not sure who created them.

> ............................
>
> .... thinking about the last two, I should have added "great fun
> elements" ( instead of dingy corridors and depressing monsters )
> to my "good ideas" statement
>
> John Lewis
> >
> >
>
 
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:22:54 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:

>Black & White, Hitman, and the GTA series stand out for me as games that (at
>least originally) tried new things, but not sure who created them.

B&W and GTA are UK AFAIK (European only by unfortunate accident of
geography), a brief search for Hitman looks like it is Danish.
--
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"non_sequitur" <non_sequitur@att.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSmooth wrote:
>> "John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:42852410.5326754@news.verizon.net...
>>
>>>On Fri, 13 May 2005 17:30:23 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
>>><jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good news: Ghost Recon 3 apparently will be
>>>>
>>>>1. first person again
>>>>2. take place in mostly urban settings
>>>>
>>>>Jonah Falcon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Here we go again......
>>>
>>>Like Doom3, Quake 4, Splinter Cell(3), HL2....take an original
>>>game-idea and milk it to death for more $$........to please the
>>>bean-counters, company principals and short-term stockholders...how
>>>sad. US developers ( or the US studios of international companies) now
>>>constitute the majority of culprits. To survive in this business, a
>>>reasonable mix of innovation with stable fare is essential.....but the
>>>total lack of gaming innovation at so-called leaders in the industry
>>>(such as Id ) has become scandalous.
>>>
>>>Such caution must be an after-shock of the US tech stock-market
>>>crash. For those of us in the US, a disturbing trend in
>>>computer/console gaming is the rapid increase in new gaming ideas and
>>>supporting technologies from developers in Europe, Japan, former
>>>Iron-Curtain countries.
>>>
>>>John Lewis
>>>
>>
>>
>> You may be on to something. What are some of your fav euro games that
>> include these "good ideas"?
>>
>>
>>
> I'll answer that for him. Off the top of my head I can think of three:
> 1. Far Cry
> 2. Far Cry
> 3. Far Cry

1. Overrated
2. Overrated
3. Overrated
 
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I can't believe the idiotic negativity on the NG. If and when Ghost Recon 3
is released, you'll either buy it and love it, or not buy it and trash it
without having touched it.

Jonah Falcon
 
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 16:08:32 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
<jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>I can't believe the idiotic negativity on the NG. If and when Ghost Recon 3
>is released, you'll either buy it and love it, or not buy it and trash it
>without having touched it.
>

Mirror-mirror on the wall....

Maybe it is that your constant support for warmed-over gaming ideas
turns the rest of us on this newsgroup cold. Too much console-itis
stunts the brain-cells.

John Lewis

>Jonah Falcon
>
>
 
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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:22:54 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:
>
> >Black & White, Hitman, and the GTA series stand out for me as games that
(at
> >least originally) tried new things, but not sure who created them.
>
> B&W and GTA are UK AFAIK (European only by unfortunate accident of
> geography), a brief search for Hitman looks like it is Danish.

Well, at least we still make the best cars.


(snort)


> --
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> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:18:28 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:

>
>"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
>news:36vb81p73qouckj7tbl3onm2lrgi7hbunk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:22:54 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:
>>
>> >Black & White, Hitman, and the GTA series stand out for me as games that
>(at
>> >least originally) tried new things, but not sure who created them.
>>
>> B&W and GTA are UK AFAIK (European only by unfortunate accident of
>> geography), a brief search for Hitman looks like it is Danish.
>
>Well, at least we still make the best cars.
>

I didn't know that you were Japanese or Korean ( if you call
reliability "best"--- see Consumer Reports )

John Lewis

>
>(snort)
>
>
>> --
>> Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
>> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
>> please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
>> Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
>
>
 
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:42864c90.10208160@news.verizon.net...
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 16:08:32 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
> <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I can't believe the idiotic negativity on the NG. If and when Ghost Recon
>>3
>>is released, you'll either buy it and love it, or not buy it and trash it
>>without having touched it.
>>
>
> Mirror-mirror on the wall....
>
> Maybe it is that your constant support for warmed-over gaming ideas
> turns the rest of us on this newsgroup cold. Too much console-itis
> stunts the brain-cells.

What do you know about warmth, you corpse?

Jonah Falcon
 
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 07:20:03 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
<jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:42864c90.10208160@news.verizon.net...
>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 16:08:32 GMT, "Jonah Falcon"
>> <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I can't believe the idiotic negativity on the NG. If and when Ghost Recon
>>>3
>>>is released, you'll either buy it and love it, or not buy it and trash it
>>>without having touched it.
>>>
>>
>> Mirror-mirror on the wall....
>>
>> Maybe it is that your constant support for warmed-over gaming ideas
>> turns the rest of us on this newsgroup cold. Too much console-itis
>> stunts the brain-cells.
>
>What do you know about warmth, you corpse?
>

Bad choice of epithets. By your words you have liberated my spirit to
haunt you eternally....at least on this newsgroup. Better have the KF
button ready 🙂 🙂

John Lewis



>Jonah Falcon
>
>
 
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John Lewis wrote:

>>Well, at least we still make the best cars.
>>
> I didn't know that you were Japanese or Korean ( if you call
> reliability "best"--- see Consumer Reports )

In your face:

World Car of the Year 2005 Awards
http://www.wcoty.com/html/winners.html

1. Audi A6 (Germany)
2. Volvo S40/V50 (Sweden/Norway?)
3. Porsche 911 (Germany)

No Asian cars in the top ten.

Dennis
 
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"Dennis Schamne" <schamne@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> John Lewis wrote:
>
>>>Well, at least we still make the best cars.
>>>
>> I didn't know that you were Japanese or Korean ( if you call
>> reliability "best"--- see Consumer Reports )
>
> In your face:
>
> World Car of the Year 2005 Awards
> http://www.wcoty.com/html/winners.html
>
> 1. Audi A6 (Germany)
> 2. Volvo S40/V50 (Sweden/Norway?)
> 3. Porsche 911 (Germany)
>
> No Asian cars in the top ten.
>
> Dennis

thats not the top 3 in the link you posted.
 
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:18:28 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
> >news:36vb81p73qouckj7tbl3onm2lrgi7hbunk@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:22:54 -0400, "JoeSmooth" <f@ke.70053> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Black & White, Hitman, and the GTA series stand out for me as games
that
> >(at
> >> >least originally) tried new things, but not sure who created them.
> >>
> >> B&W and GTA are UK AFAIK (European only by unfortunate accident of
> >> geography), a brief search for Hitman looks like it is Danish.
> >
> >Well, at least we still make the best cars.
> >
>
> I didn't know that you were Japanese or Korean ( if you call
> reliability "best"--- see Consumer Reports )

"(snort)" was to indicate sarcasm. For good price and reliability, the
Japanese seem to be the champs.

>
> John Lewis
>
> >
> >(snort)
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
> >> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
> >> please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
> >> Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
> >
> >
>
 
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Les Steel wrote:

> thats not the top 3 in the link you posted.

The list is not sorted. You have to look at the weighted totals on the
right.

Dennis
 
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:05:08 +0200, Dennis Schamne
<schamne@despammed.com> wrote:

>John Lewis wrote:
>
>>>Well, at least we still make the best cars.
>>>
>> I didn't know that you were Japanese or Korean ( if you call
>> reliability "best"--- see Consumer Reports )
>
>In your face:
>
>World Car of the Year 2005 Awards
>http://www.wcoty.com/html/winners.html
>
>1. Audi A6 (Germany)
>2. Volvo S40/V50 (Sweden/Norway?)
>3. Porsche 911 (Germany)
>
>No Asian cars in the top ten.
>

Car of the Year <<2005>> axiomatically make no statement about
RELIABILITY.

Obviously you must be rich enough to trade-in all your cars before
the manufacturer's warranty runs out.

Otherwise, best of luck with the service bills... especially Audi and
Porsche..

Me, I just like to have reliable transport. I am well past the
teenage-mental stage of confusing cars with extensions to ego or
subliminal phallic symbols.

John Lewis


>Dennis
 
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John Lewis wrote:

> Car of the Year <<2005>> axiomatically make no statement about
> RELIABILITY.

RELIABILITY isn't everything on a car.

> Obviously you must be rich enough to trade-in all your cars before
> the manufacturer's warranty runs out.

No, but I'm buying used cars that are reliable, not too expensive but still
comfortable and fun to drive - like my '94 "Audi 100 quattro".

Dennis
 
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