Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti Xtreme Gaming Windforce Review

[okcnaline]

Why am a fanboy? You have no idea what you are saying. Why would I even consider 2 GTX 980TI's in balance with 1 R9 295X2 cards? Let's thake it from Newegg.

So why would I consider 1318$ vs 500$? Just because performance. Yeah, <removed by mod>that. Nvidia SLI is not even better than AMD Xfire.

What I said was:
1) If you're an NVIDIA fanboy you would've compared 2 GTX 980 Ti's to a single or maybe two. AMD Radeon R9 295X2. That's an even match. 2 R9 290X or 4 R9 290X vs 2 GTX 980 Ti's.
2) If you're an AMD fanboy, you'll say what you said. An R9 295X2 would outperform GTX 980 Ti in terms of FPS.
3) Most importantly, argument isn't over. You can't just say that when things don't go your way. That's rude, and not really fair to everyone else.

I didn't argue anything. All I was trying to push was the third statement. Why did you think I said, "Scratch that"?

But don't worry, you have an AMD sympathizer right here. AMD Radeon R9 Fury Nano is one of their best creations. I just don't go all nuts over defending or defenestrating AMD over their products.

Oh, by the way, I'm not naming any performance winners from either AMD or NVIDIA. I'm just citing what fanboys do when they're defending the respective companies over the GTX 980 Ti and the R9 295x2. You and 10tacle turned it into a fanboy fight. xDDD

Also, 10tacle, ONE PUNCH!!!

 

[10tacle]

Also, 10tacle, ONE PUNCH!!!

Hahaha!!!!!!:lol: I just can't believe how snide some people can get. This dude got off the chain.

 

[okcnaline]

Eh... As GPU expert, you'll get used to fanboys soon enough... x)
Glad you like OPM!

 

[iancuio]

Enjoy your 900 series while you still can, because they have already started to degrade performance in games to make a bigger difference between the 900 series and the new ones coming now (The same as they did with the Keppler)

God you ooze of AMD fanboy. First of all, since you want to attack and get personal, my SLI 970s are still extremely powerful for my 1440p rig (overclocked to 980 performance).

Second, I actually have a job and make a decent living and can afford to upgrade every two years, and will be selling my 970s and upgrading to Pascal. This summer will be two years I've had them. They will have gotten their use well by then when the 10xx cards come out. So your point about my cards being outdated soon is moot (not that they won't last for several more years in the latest games or anything).

Third, I've owned both AMD and Nvidia, and Nvidia on the high end rules, but AMD on the mid-tier rules. I am on record here recommending an R9 390 over a 970 at the same price point. But then there are things like AMD cards not running well on Project Cars and Microsoft FSX.

Fourth and finally, I'm sorry...what has your contribution been around here sport? Come back when you grow up, kid. Until then, you can talk to the hand, little petulant potty mouth.

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Making statements about my life judging from 3 comments is impertinent, lowly and immature. We are arguing here in arguments, not unfounded statements, and who has a job/difference in age. And you call me a kid. Really.

What bothers me is that you absolutely ignored everything I said. But hey, you got a job and I'm a kid.

Does it not bother you that Nvidia purposely downgrades performance? I mean, yeah, as you state, you have a job and can afford it. But there are many people who don't. Many people work a lot for money to get a mid/high tier card. Does it seem normal to you to be downgrading performance just because? Is that fair to that class of people?

Related to Project Cars it is true. AMD does not do well in matters of tessellation. But it is only one game.

Also, I don't know your definition of Fanboy, but in my mind I can summarize it like this: "I will buy that *insert object here* regardless that the other *insert object here* is better, cheaper etc.

I don't think I have acted like that. I think I have brought pretty solid arguments to everything I said, maybe a bit lacking in attitude, and for that I have no excuse.

 

[iancuio]

Why am a fanboy? You have no idea what you are saying. Why would I even consider 2 GTX 980TI's in balance with 1 R9 295X2 cards? Let's thake it from Newegg.

So why would I consider 1318$ vs 500$? Just because performance. Yeah, <removed by mod>that. Nvidia SLI is not even better than AMD Xfire.

What I said was:
1) If you're an NVIDIA fanboy you would've compared 2 GTX 980 Ti's to a single or maybe two. AMD Radeon R9 295X2. That's an even match. 2 R9 290X or 4 R9 290X vs 2 GTX 980 Ti's.
2) If you're an AMD fanboy, you'll say what you said. An R9 295X2 would outperform GTX 980 Ti in terms of FPS.
3) Most importantly, argument isn't over. You can't just say that when things don't go your way. That's rude, and not really fair to everyone else.

I didn't argue anything. All I was trying to push was the third statement. Why did you think I said, "Scratch that"?

But don't worry, you have an AMD sympathizer right here. AMD Radeon R9 Fury Nano is one of their best creations. I just don't go all nuts over defending or defenestrating AMD over their products.

Oh, by the way, I'm not naming any performance winners from either AMD or NVIDIA. I'm just citing what fanboys do when they're defending the respective companies over the GTX 980 Ti and the R9 295x2. You and 10tacle turned it into a fanboy fight. xDDD

Also, 10tacle, ONE PUNCH!!!

Explain why would you consider an AMD fanboy someone who prefers a cheaper card with higher performance? I was just stating what the grafs showed.

 

[Gam3r01]

Because a smart consumer can see the fact the 295x2 does not scale well, some titles performs as slow as a single 290x, and is a cumbersome card to deal with.
While its two Tahiti GPUs do produce more raw graphics horsepower, its drawbacks make it a less appealing choice than a 980Ti.
Market value also gives some insight here. If it really, truly was a better card, why is it so cheap? Why has it dropped so much in price since launch? And most importantly why cant you buy new ones anymore?

 

[iancuio]

Because a smart consumer can see the fact the 295x2 does not scale well, some titles performs as slow as a single 290x, and is a cumbersome card to deal with.
While its two Tahiti GPUs do produce more raw graphics horsepower, its drawbacks make it a less appealing choice than a 980Ti.
Market value also gives some insight here. If it really, truly was a better card, why is it so cheap? Why has it dropped so much in price since launch? And most importantly why cant you buy new ones anymore?

Myself, indeed, would not buy the R9 295X2. 3 year old technology, not worth it, judging that in half a year both companies will come out with new series. Beyond that, the card is no longer in production. Standard corporation policy. When a new series comes out, the older ones won't be produced anymore(only if the demand is still high, but even then they will cut out a lot of the production, to "force" the selling of new series). And again, usually AMD drops a lot of their price as their card gets older.

 

[Gam3r01]

Except the 295x2 hasnt been replaced by anything. AMD never made a 395x2, because it was not a popular card.

 

[iancuio]

Except the 295x2 hasnt been replaced by anything. AMD never made a 395x2, because it was not a popular card.

Indeed. At launch, it was like 1500$? So obviously it was not a popular one, hehe. Second of all, the R9395X2 wiuldn't have been a rational investment, because it brought little performance gains. But the FuryX2 should come out pretty soon!

 

[Gam3r01]

Why would they release the FuryX2 at this point? Polaris and Pascal are right around the corner, and the 295x2 did not sell well.
It would be a poor investment to produce that card now.

 

[iancuio]

Why would they release the FuryX2 at this point? Polaris and Pascal are right around the corner, and the 295x2 did not sell well.
It would be a poor investment to produce that card now.

Maybe, we don't know. Maybe with a decent price points, and some bonus drivers for scaling, could prove nice. It will dominate the market in performance, though it will be 2 cards indeed.

 

[10tacle]

Making statements about my life judging from 3 comments is impertinent, lowly and immature. We are arguing here in arguments, not unfounded statements, and who has a job/difference in age. And you call me a kid. Really.

Who said anything about YOUR life? You started the attack. Don't like my retaliation? Then don't write checks your body can't cash.

What bothers me is that you absolutely ignored everything I said. But hey, you got a job and I'm a kid.

No I did not, nor did anyone else. A TWO GPU SOLUTION IS NOT EQUAL TO A SINGLE GPU SOLUTION. PRICE IS IRRELEVANT.

Does it not bother you that Nvidia purposely downgrades performance? I mean, yeah, as you state, you have a job and can afford it. But there are many people who don't. Many people work a lot for money to get a mid/high tier card. Does it seem normal to you to be downgrading performance just because? Is that fair to that class of people?

Not sure what you are talking about, but MY performance is UPGRADED, not DOWNGRADED. I'm running my 970s to near 980 performance levels - for FOUR HUNDRED LESS DOLLARS. Did you miss that the first time around?

Related to Project Cars it is true. AMD does not do well in matters of tessellation. But it is only one game.

That is what *I* mostly game with along with FSX which is why *I* for the time being have gone strictly Nvidia for high end solutions.

Also, I don't know your definition of Fanboy, but in my mind I can summarize it like this: "I will buy that *insert object here* regardless that the other *insert object here* is better, cheaper etc. I don't think I have acted like that. I think I have brought pretty solid arguments to everything I said, maybe a bit lacking in attitude, and for that I have no excuse.

Everyone has their preferences and reasons. You personally attacked starting with that snide "enjoy your 970 while it lasts" nonsense. The entire argument started with you trying to equate a dual-GPU solution against a single GPU-solution.

And since you are such a fan of comparing dollars for performance, I only spent $700 for my 970 SLI which nearly equals the $1,200 295x2. Luckily those benchmarks can be seen right here (add 10% to their 970 SSC performance here for my cards being overclocked beyond EVGA's factory overclock). Now let's review: I spent 40% less and get 90% (plus) of the performance.

You done yet?

 

[iancuio]

Making statements about my life judging from 3 comments is impertinent, lowly and immature. We are arguing here in arguments, not unfounded statements, and who has a job/difference in age. And you call me a kid. Really.

Who said anything about YOUR life? You started the attack. Don't like my retaliation? Then don't write checks your body can't cash.

What bothers me is that you absolutely ignored everything I said. But hey, you got a job and I'm a kid.

No I did not, nor did anyone else. A TWO GPU SOLUTION IS NOT EQUAL TO A SINGLE GPU SOLUTION. PRICE IS IRRELEVANT.

Does it not bother you that Nvidia purposely downgrades performance? I mean, yeah, as you state, you have a job and can afford it. But there are many people who don't. Many people work a lot for money to get a mid/high tier card. Does it seem normal to you to be downgrading performance just because? Is that fair to that class of people?

Not sure what you are talking about, but MY performance is UPGRADED, not DOWNGRADED. I'm running my 970s to near 980 performance levels - for FOUR HUNDRED LESS DOLLARS. Did you miss that the first time around?

Related to Project Cars it is true. AMD does not do well in matters of tessellation. But it is only one game.

That is what *I* mostly game with along with FSX which is why *I* for the time being have gone strictly Nvidia for high end solutions.

Also, I don't know your definition of Fanboy, but in my mind I can summarize it like this: "I will buy that *insert object here* regardless that the other *insert object here* is better, cheaper etc. I don't think I have acted like that. I think I have brought pretty solid arguments to everything I said, maybe a bit lacking in attitude, and for that I have no excuse.

Everyone has their preferences and reasons. You personally attacked starting with that snide "enjoy your 970 while it lasts" nonsense. The entire argument started with you trying to equate a dual-GPU solution against a single GPU-solution.

And since you are such a fan of comparing dollars for performance, I only spent $700 for my 970 SLI which nearly equals the $1,200 295x. Luckily those benchmarks can be seen right here (add 10% to their 970 SSC performance here for my cards being overclocked beyond EVGA's factory overclock). Now let's review: I spent 40% less and get 90% (plus) of the performance.

You done yet?

Except the R9 295X2 is 500-550$ dollars. From where the 1200$ price tag? I wouldn't have said a god damn word if it was that expensive lol.

 

[10tacle]

Except the R9 295X2 is 500-550$ dollars. From where the 1200$ price tag? I wouldn't have said a god damn word if it was that expensive lol.

Actually I was wrong. The launch price was not $1,200(US)...it was $1,500. So that even further validates my argument and I spend 53% less. Sure you can find one *used* now for half that. Now let's have a beer and move on!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review

 

[iancuio]

Except the R9 295X2 is 500-550$ dollars. From where the 1200$ price tag? I wouldn't have said a god damn word if it was that expensive lol.

Actually I was wrong. The launch price was not $1,200(US)...it was $1,500. So that even further validates my argument and I spend 53% less. Sure you can find one *used* now for half that. Now let's have a beer and move on!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review

That "downgraded" nonsense you say I am babbling about is here:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/831639/nvidia-...

And the second time here(900 series):

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3136/6...

Also, I stated earlier that was the launch price.

Ok, let's say they are not produced and that is the default price. 700$ you said?

Here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

R9 290X, which outperforms the 970. 319$ (not considering the rebate). On top of that, Crossfire scales better than SLI.

 

[10tacle]

That "downgraded" nonsense you say I am babbling about is here: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/831639/nvidia-...

So what? I'm more than happy with my $700 GPU solution for the time being, as I have been for the past year and a half. You are arguing with yourself, not me. There's nothing wrong with my rig's performance. In fact most of the time I just run Vsync at my overclocked monitor's 80Hz because it's overkill and a waste to run 100+ FPS on a non-Gsync 1440p monitor.

Also, I stated earlier that was the launch price.

That's right. Fair comparisons are the launch price, not the used price.

Ok, let's say they are not produced and that is the default price. 700$ you said?
R9 290X, which outperforms the 970. 319$ (not considering the rebate). On top of that, Crossfire scales better than SLI.

Now you are just spreading false information. The cards trade blows at 1440p depending on the game. The 970 beats it in Witcher 3 for example, but in another example the 290x beats the 970 in Battlefield Hardline.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=19631

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=19641

And again, since you missed it the first time around, I will still recommend an R9 390 over a 970 for anyone wanting to get a new mid-range card today at that price tier.

 

[okcnaline]

Explain why would you consider an AMD fanboy someone who prefers a cheaper card with higher performance?

Bah... Why do I bother.

You're obviously defending AMD despite 1) statements with proof that you're wrong (I can care less about this) and 2) that I did not attack you in the first place. What I said was, don't say "argument over". You just pulled a straw man fallacy on me. And you made a hasty generalization when you considered my statements to be ad hominem.

You're a fanboy. That's all I said. I didn't pull any ad hominem attacks. If I did, I would've called you stupid for NVIDIA fanboy reasons, but I didn't. All I did was label you as a fanboy. You then proceeded to hastily generalize my statement into a flame war attack.

If you manage to make all that happen, you should understand what I mean when I said you're a fanboy, right? You are unconditionally defending AMD despite the fact that what I said had no beef in there.

 

[Epsilon_0EVP]

Because a smart consumer can see the fact the 295x2 does not scale well, some titles performs as slow as a single 290x, and is a cumbersome card to deal with.
While its two Tahiti GPUs do produce more raw graphics horsepower, its drawbacks make it a less appealing choice than a 980Ti.
Market value also gives some insight here. If it really, truly was a better card, why is it so cheap? Why has it dropped so much in price since launch? And most importantly why cant you buy new ones anymore?

The 295X2 is dual Hawaii, not dual Tahiti.

Also, the theory of market value doesn't really apply, since we only have one competitor to compare prices, and they're known for inflated prices. One just needs to take a look at the direct competition for the 295X2 to confirm that.

 

[chrisafp07]

I have the card and I absolutely love it.

 

[C_peter]

I will wait for the release of new graphic cards from amd and nvidia. Then decide which offers the best value and buy it. I am now using HD graphics and have been reading reviews of graphic cards extensively. Hope later this year, I can buy 1 set of card which meets my needs now to 3 years later.