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Hm... I don't remember Intel rebranding the Core i line before, so is this the first time they've done it?

As long as these "lower" SKU units based on Alder Lake perform better than the ones they're replacing, it shouldn't be a big deal anyway. Not like they're missing on specific tech Raptor Lake S brings, right?

Same price and more perfomance should be really good for value, so bring it on. Unless I'm missing something? xD

Regards.
 
DavidMV said:
The biggest change is Raptor Lake has 60% more L2 cache of on the P Cores and double the L2 cache on the E-Cores. That might be a big deal for things likes games. Kind of wish all the i5s were Raptor Lake cores instead of Alder Lake cores.
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I don't disagree, but that will be easy to test by disabling the E-cores in a 13600K can capping clocks, so we'll know how bad the "hit" will be on the lower SKUs to a theoretical RL part.

Plus, there's a chance the 13400 will have the same P-cores from RL, but as @pclaughton asked, other than looking at the L2 cache, I have no idea how to discriminate.

Regards.
 
So far it seems that I will be going AMD for my new rig and CPU, with the issue coming down in the first place to the motherboards on offer. For someone an Intel chipset motherboard may be a better choice, as some of them still support DDR4, and someone may want to reuse their DDR4. My old rig still has DDR3 though, so about time to upgrade that I think, and while I am at it I may as well get ready for PCIe 5.0 SSD.

But e.g. the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX (supporting Intel Core 12th and 13th gen CPUs) has only PCIe 4.0 NVMe slots. And the cheapest Z790 I have seen so far with at least one PCIe 5.0 there, that is Asus ROG Strix Z790-I Gaming-WiFi, at over 600. And that is around 400 difference I could use on going for a higher CPU-tier with AMD instead.

Not in a rush though, as some more motherboards will likely be released in the near future. But not really meaning to wait until Meteor Lake comes around.
 
DavidLejdar said:
may as well get ready for PCIe 5.0 SSD.
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Why? Going from PCIE gen 4 to Gen 5 might mean someday 8GB/s vs 16GB/s, and this will only ever be a potential sequential throughput benefit. It doesn't improve the latency or controller overhead(Random IO does not care if gen 3 or gen 5). On my gen 4 drives or even gen 3 they live at sub SATA 3.0 speeds and with Optane circling the drain I don't foresee storage utilizing gen 5 pcie anytime soon(CXL perhaps???). GPU's like the 4090 though may need all those x16 lanes. Seems strange to require a feature not currently in use with little promise on the horizon of its use to be fulfilled.

Don't overpay for the Mobo, get the cheapest Mobo that has the IO you need and the power delivery your CPU requires (Using a Z690 $130 board myself)
 
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Why? Going from PCIE gen 4 to Gen 5 might mean someday 8GB/s vs 16GB/s, and this will only ever be a potential sequential throughput benefit. It doesn't improve the latency or controller overhead(Random IO does not care if gen 3 or gen 5). On my gen 4 drives or even gen 3 they live at sub SATA 3.0 speeds and with Optane circling the drain I don't foresee storage utilizing gen 5 pcie anytime soon(CXL perhaps???). GPU's like the 4090 though may need all those x16 lanes. Seems strange to require a feature not currently in use with little promise on the horizon of its use to be fulfilled.

Don't overpay for the Mobo, get the cheapest Mobo that has the IO you need and the power delivery your CPU requires (Using a Z690 $130 board myself)
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This is a good advice. Trying to future proof is a complete waste of time and money. Figure out what you need and buy only that.
 
cyrusfox said:
I don't foresee storage utilizing gen 5 pcie anytime soon(CXL perhaps???).
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CXL 1.x runs at PCIe 5.0 speeds and reuses the PHY layer, but it's a different protocol. Currently, there are no plans to have it on desktop platforms.

cyrusfox said:
Don't overpay for the Mobo, get the cheapest Mobo that has the IO you need and the power delivery your CPU requires
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I pay more for reliability & stability. So, I look at user reviews and try to take this into account, as well.
 
Thanks for the info.

Aside from the tiny cache, this is a surprising TDP on the label, considering that it WILL absolutely use as much or more power than the 12th gen.

I would absolutely not get one until the power benchmarks are released for multiple operating systems (windows and linux).
 
Sleepy_Hollowed said:
Thanks for the info.

Aside from the tiny cache, this is a surprising TDP on the label, considering that it WILL absolutely use as much or more power than the 12th gen.

I would absolutely not get one until the power benchmarks are released for multiple operating systems (windows and linux).
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It's not the TDP that they state because you can cheat your way all the way around any power number by changing the thermals.
This PBP is a cut off point meaning the CPU can go up to but never exceed this level as long as the bios is setup to follow PBP.

This is the processor base power that will give you, at least, the stated clocks if stated power and cooling is supplied.

They will use as much if not more as alder if you go with the max turbo setting or outright disable any power limit altogether.
 
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Really interested in the i7-13700 non-k (and other non-k Raptor Lake models). The price to performance and performance to power metrics of Intel this arch seems pretty good relative to AMD. Excited to see final prices and platform costs for the launch later this year and if AMD will reduce prices for the AM5 platform once Raptor Lake is released.
 
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TCA_ChinChin said:
Really interested in the i7-13700 non-k (and other non-k Raptor Lake models). The price to performance and performance to power metrics of Intel this arch seems pretty good relative to AMD. Excited to see final prices and platform costs for the launch later this year and if AMD will reduce prices for the AM5 platform once Raptor Lake is released.
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I hope Raptor Lake BIOS follows AMD's lead of supporting user-configurable TDP limits and something like an "Eco mode". I'd sure like options for taming that PL1, so that my fans don't spin up very audibly.
 
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I hope Raptor Lake BIOS follows AMD's lead of supporting user-configurable TDP limits and something like an "Eco mode". I'd sure like options for taming that PL1, so that my fans don't spin up very audibly.
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You could do that since the last millennium...
Either directly by changing the power limit itself, or indirectly by limiting the maximum clocks you would allow the CPU to reach.

Intel introduced the normal and max power settings years ago...let alone the T models that have been around since forever, for people that are too noob to do it by themselves.
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bit_user said:
I hope Raptor Lake BIOS follows AMD's lead of supporting user-configurable TDP limits and something like an "Eco mode". I'd sure like options for taming that PL1, so that my fans don't spin up very audibly.
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What do you mean? Changing power limits for Intel systems is quite easy in BIOS... it is an option ever since the "Bridge"- CPUs (Ivy Bridge etc.) at the very least. With XTU, it is possible and quite easy even directly in Windows.
 
TerryLaze said:
You could do that since the last millennium...
Either directly by changing the power limit itself, or indirectly by limiting the maximum clocks you would allow the CPU to reach.

Intel introduced the normal and max power settings years ago...let alone the T models that have been around since forever, for people that are too noob to do it by themselves.
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That graphic shows the opposite of what I want. Rather than have the CPU effectively stay at PL2, I want to lower PL2 so that it's closer to the default PL1, while probably keeping Tau at the default.

As for being able to do that since the last millennium, I recall seeing settings for disabling turbo boost, but I didn't care because it wasn't such a big boost as we have now. And I don't want to completely disable it, just tame it a bit.

Other than that, I've seen some machines with a performance mode setting: "Performance" vs. "Low-Power" vs. "Balanced", but those might only have been Dell. Again, I would usually go with Performance, because the stakes weren't quite so high.
 
bit_user said:
That graphic shows the opposite of what I want. Rather than have the CPU effectively stay at PL2, I want to lower PL2 so that it's closer to the default PL1, while probably keeping Tau at the default.
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It does show exactly what you want because almost 100% of mobos have the second graphic as the default and you can change the setting to the first which is effectively an eco mode they just call it base power instead.
It's also just to show that different settings are nothing new, you can adjust PL2 to anything you want to.
 
bit_user said:
That graphic shows the opposite of what I want. Rather than have the CPU effectively stay at PL2, I want to lower PL2 so that it's closer to the default PL1, while probably keeping Tau at the default.

As for being able to do that since the last millennium, I recall seeing settings for disabling turbo boost, but I didn't care because it wasn't such a big boost as we have now. And I don't want to completely disable it, just tame it a bit.

Other than that, I've seen some machines with a performance mode setting: "Performance" vs. "Low-Power" vs. "Balanced", but those might only have been Dell. Again, I would usually go with Performance, because the stakes weren't quite so high.
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You can set both PLs however you like. I limit my 12700k to 150W on both PLs since a few weeks ago, and could set the PL1 to a different value if I wanted to. It's a simple BIOS setting.
 
TerryLaze said:
It does show exactly what you want because almost 100% of mobos have the second graphic as the default and you can change the setting to the first which is effectively an eco mode they just call it base power instead.
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Again, that's not what I want. You're arguing, not listening. What I want is a CPU that can turbo-boost, but not so high or for so long that it causes a major fan spinup. So, that argues for putting PL1 at its default 65 W, putting Tau at the Intel-recommended value, and decreasing PL2 to something more modest.

TerryLaze said:
It's also just to show that different settings are nothing new, you can adjust PL2 to anything you want to.
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Okay, I see that now. I thought I had checked the motherboard manual, but I must've been thinking of an AM4 X570 board I was also looking at, somewhat recently.
 
TCA_ChinChin said:
Would this type of tuning be motherboard dependent? Or should this be available by default on all recent Intel chips? Maybe Supermicro or this specific motherboard model doesn't allow PL2 tuning?
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Actually, PL2 is the one they do let you tune, but not PL1 (according to the manual). That said, it lists an "override" switch for both PL1 and PL2, which makes me think the PL1 adjustment might have been an accidental omission.

Anyway, PL2 is the one I care most about. So, even if that's all I can adjust, it's probably enough.
 
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TCA_ChinChin said:
Would this type of tuning be motherboard dependent? Or should this be available by default on all recent Intel chips? Maybe Supermicro or this specific motherboard model doesn't allow PL2 tuning?
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It shouldn't be, and even cheaper Z690 boards offer the option of adjusting PL1, like the MSI Pro Z690-A. That's the one I use. Personally, I think it was simply omitted... even if it wasn't, XTU is essentially Intel's Ryzen Master and lets you adjust everything freely under Windows, so 🤷
 
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