Going water, need some advice.

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Well heading down the water path and have some questions. I am going all Danger den unless anyone else has any suggestions. Going to get a cosmos s case as there are 3 120mm fans on top that the Black Ice GTX360 should fit. What size od should I go for all my componets? 1/2 or 3/8? What really should be watercooled? CPU and gpu's but what about the chipset or the hd's?
 
Just make sure you research twice, purchase once, install once. I recommend going custom and choosing the parts that work best for you.

I watercool CPU and GPU. I don't worry about northbridge or HDD's. Just use well placed airflow for those, and you won't have problems, unless you are shooting for a world record or something insane.

Personally, I recommend 1/2", as that allows greater flow at lower pressures.
 

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Be sure to make some investment. If you plan to go for cheap watercooling, rather go with topend Aircooling.

I also watercool my cpu and 2 gpus. There are alot of site which have info on watercooling and the parts required. Might want to read through them to get more acquainted with WC. The blocks are more of preference. Go for the least restrictive.
1/2" is good for flow but bad with tight bends
3/8" are good for tight bends
My preference would be 7/16" thick wall as you sort of get the best of both worlds. It fits the 1/2" barbs perfectly a tight fit. Bends aren't as good as 3/8, but better than 1/2".

My setup:
CPU: D-Tek Fuzion V.2, GPU 1: D-Tek Fuzion GFX2, GPU 2: Swiftech MCW60, Pump: Swiftech 655, EK res, Tubing: 7/16, 1 tripple rad + 1 dual rad. Case is a silverstone TJ07 fits both rads at the bottom (can fit 1 quad rad + 1 dual radtoo).

With the cosmos S, you'll be limited to the top part of the case. To add another RAD, you'll have to mount it on the backside.

HDD are mean to run hot, the temps you see for HDD are normal operating temps. No need to WC it. If you're concerned, a fan will suffice.

If you plan to do some major OCing by bumping up the voltage of your NB, then WCing would be an option. Otherwise, stock cooling is fine. I'm using a q6600 OCed to 3.6Ghz, no watercooling for my NB. WCing the SB is a waste of money.


 

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I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
The GURU of independent testing, worshipped by many. SHUT DOWN by Martin. The god moves on agggggg......................
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/

Hope it helps, see ya in a few days, get edumacated!

Don't know what makes peeps move to the BIX rads. They will pull the heat more than any other rad. At the expense of VERY loud high CFM fans. Must be their marketing. You don't need BIX rads unless your a bencher with a phase change compressor running right next to you and you have $40 Delta fans running like a freakin jet engine.
 

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The god moves on agggggg......................

Do you suppose he wrote that while dying?

If he was dying, I don't think he would take the time to write it.

"Ahhhhhh!"

No, "Arrgggghhhh...." from the back of the throat.

Yes, "Arrrggggghhhh"

No, I meant "AHHHHHH!!!" as in surprise and alarm.
 

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lol - the Monty Python at it's best. :lol:

Also try How Not To Be Seen ;)
 

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It would be nice if he could/would do a transfer of knowledge to someone to carry on his work and keep his data archived for use. I know there are a lot of people that reference his works...it would be good to see his legacy continued...
 

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I think he is. http://www.skinneelabs.com/ is who is picking up for Martin. Website is under construction atm.

For the OP, the GTX360 will cool a CPU and one GPU pretty easily. Anything more than that is probably too much heat load for a 360. The case will be fine as well, but as others have pointed out, if you need another radiator, youll have to mount it outside the case. Go 1/2" for all fittings, with either 1/2" or 7/16 ID Tygon for tube. CPU blocks are what you like, bit the new Swiftech GTZ is very good with a top notch retention system. Im assuming youll want a full cover block on your GPU, so look at whatever you like. DD and EK probably make the best FC blocks. Pump wise the D5 is very good, but a DDC 3.2 with a nice aftermarket top may be better as the pump is smaller. Dont forget to get a algae inhibitor like PT Nuke and run straight distilled water. You may want/need a resevoir. EKs res's are nice, but if size is an issue, you may want to combine a DDC3.2 pump with a XSPC Res top and kill 2 birds with one stone. Dont forget enough fittings, a fill port, a tee line if your not using a res, and any other random stuff you may need.
 

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Following the threads about Martin, he is not passing on all of the info. It's time for others to do the testing etc, as part of the XS community. A bit will be availible due to some saving the full URL of specific pages etc., but he pulled all the data out.

It's sad for us, it's time to move on he said.

Skinnee will save what he can, but it's mostly gone.
 

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Doh!

I was under the impression Martin was going to pass the info down to Skinnee. That does suck, as his flowrate calc was probably one of the best tools out there.
 

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Well talked to the guys at danger den and here is what they suggest. It will be a while before I purchase so I can do a lot more research.

Too cool your GPUs, and Quad core here is a list of the best parts available
MC-TDX 775
2 x Tieton GPU Coolers
Black Ice GTX 360mm Radiator
DDC 3.2 12v Pump
Single Clear Bay Reserovir
7 Feet of 3/8" Tubing
Bottle of Feser Fluid, color of your choice
12 Hose Clamps
Arctic Silver Ceramique

all parts and fittings 3/8"
 

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It doesnt surprise me that DD would suggest all DD parts. :non: Its not that they have bad stuff, but you can buy better stuff for the same price elsewhere.
Just my thoughts follow:

MC-TDX 775 - not a bad CPU block. I suggest this as it pretty much is the best at this moment, with a few exceptions depending on pump and loop setup: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa.html

2 x Tieton GPU Coolers - these are fine. The EK and some of the other blocks out there are very nice. Just as a side note your not going to run 1 CPU and 2 GPUs on a single loop on a single 360 rad? You will need another 240 rad if you plan on that.

Black Ice GTX 360mm Radiator - requires a high volume (read: loud) fan to work best. A Feser rad may be a better choice, but this will suffice.

DDC 3.2 12v Pump - this is good pump, but to really get it working good you need to add something like this: http://www.petrastechshop.com/peddcudeddcp.html
You can also turn this into a resevior by using one of these: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=439&products_id=23357 which combines the pump top and res into 1 piece. I could also recommend a regular old vario D5: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html

Single Clear Bay Reservoir - NO! pain in the neck to bleed. If you want a stand alone res, use something like this http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcmirere.html or this http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekres150.html

7 Feet of 3/8" Tubing - how about 10' of Tygon 1/2 tubing. Seriously, why screw around with 3/8" tubing? 3 extra feet will give you a little cushion in case you ef something up

Bottle of Feser Fluid, color of your choice - Feser fluid is fine, but a few gallon jugs of distilled Walmart water is just as good for alot less. Throw in a little of this to avoid growth: http://www.petrastechshop.com/pepcobi1.html

12 Hose Clamps - I prefer herbie clips, or zip ties as metal worm drive clamps are overkill

Arctic Silver Ceramique - nothing wrong with this

all parts and fittings 3/8" - Blah, 1/2" for greater flow and less pressure loss.

Of course youll need all the appropriate fittings and fans for a setup like this. Honestly, figure $500+ to setup a good WCing setup....
 

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Hey, I bet if you asked Koolance to tell you what you needed, they would recommend Koolance products... :|

I do agree wholeheartedly: research, and find the right parts at the best prices you can.
 

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Thanks for all the replies. I will continue to look around and research. I was expecting 500 to 1k including a case and 500 for a new psu. This will be a long term project so I can customize the case to hold 2 radiators or look for a different case. They were clamming that they use this setup with skulltrail and 2 gpus and it works fine. If I need 2 radiators then fine I will find a way, if not all the better. I really want to conceal the radiators, pump, and reservior and just have the tubing showing.
 

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Yeah I only use Pc power and cooling for my personal systems. A 1200 watt is 579 and 599 depending on which I go with.
 

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ROFL, a "top notch 1000 watt Ultra." Those words dont belong in the same sentance.

If you looking for a case that handle a bunch of hard, look at a Silverstone TJ07. And while you at it, go look at www.murderbox.com for ideas on how to get everything inside the case.
 

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Okayy... Not top notch. But pretty darn good. There are better PSU's, but cable management etc is very nice.

A review....

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=41
 

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Not a bad review. Ultra used to make some real crap. I currently run Enermax, PC Power and Cooling and Corsair for my PSUs, which are all high quality units, so I am bit biased. :)
 

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For your watercooling setup ..yes the GTX is a good "common" Radiator but if you got the cash go with a Feser-X Rad because there even better then the Thermochill rads and I dont know any rad that outperforms it... plus you'll be different which i always think is important.I would def go 1/2 inch or 7/16... but will be pain("7/16") to get on some pumps and reservoirs.For a pump i would go swiftech 655 if you can fit it ...which is very powerful pump and will run any loop or the 355 with a reservoir block on top for max performance.For CPU WB go with the Apogee GTZ or Dtek V2.Pref the GTZ bc everybody and there mom has the dtek v2 and if you overclock and like to push your comp you see the GTZ pull away with better performance.Also the V2 block is pretty ugly compared to the GTZ.The Swiftech reservoir micro is nice reservoir to.
 

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Well with core I7 around the corner I might wait and water cool that. Not sure if it is worth wc my current setup when it will most likely become a server when I build an I7.
 

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Funny thing is I think, from reading posts etc about new I7 info we might be okay with solid air anyway, unless you get an xtreme chip. Even then, they are limiting voltages more than before. Not surprised tho, the smaller the trace, the less able to handle high power.

We'll have to see. No matter what, for the forseeable future we WILL need GPU cooling. WC maybe not, but aftermarket for sure.