[SOLVED] Gonna build this pc soon. Anything I should change?

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Im building this pc pretty soon and wanted to do a last check, are there anything I should change or add?

Specs :
Case : NZXT H500
Mobo : ASUS Prime B360M-A
Storage : Samsung 250GB 860 EVO + 1TB HDD
RAM : Ballistix Sport 16 GB (2x8) 2666MHz
Power Supply : Corsair CX450
CPU : i5 9400f
CPU Cooler : I dont know if I should stay with the stock cooler, I know that the temps would be fine, but I've heard that its really loud, so I might go with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
GPU : ZOTAC RTX 2060 AMP
Thermal paste : plz recommend one... or does any paste do the job?

Im also looking for a cheap, but good 144hz moniot, I might go with the Asus VG248QE

Note : I live in the UAE, and the prices here complete and total trash, and because I cant build a pc on my own, I found this website : gccgamers.com . The prices are not that bad, so this build is gonna be built by them.
 
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If you want a cheap budget aftermarket cooler, don't go with the 212 EVO. The Deepcool Gammaxx 400 outperforms it by a fair margin and is less expensive to boot.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.79 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $23.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 01:40 EDT-0400



Best budget cooler under 30 bucks we've ever tested.

Verdict

By a wide margin, Deepcool's Gammaxx 400 has the best performance-to-price ratio of any cooler I've recently tested. It will remain on the top of my purchase list until something with even...
If you want a cheap budget aftermarket cooler, don't go with the 212 EVO. The Deepcool Gammaxx 400 outperforms it by a fair margin and is less expensive to boot.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.79 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $23.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 01:40 EDT-0400



Best budget cooler under 30 bucks we've ever tested.

Verdict

By a wide margin, Deepcool's Gammaxx 400 has the best performance-to-price ratio of any cooler I've recently tested. It will remain on the top of my purchase list until something with even greater value comes along to replace it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gammaxx-400-slim-tower-cpu-cooler,4460-2.html


As for the thermal paste, it's very hard to beat Kryonaut by Thermal Grizzly, Noctua NT-H2 (Or H1 for that matter), Cryorig Cryopaste or even Arctic MX-4. Kryonaut is what I use on just about everything these days.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2S7-00A9-00013

That Corsair CX450 is not a great PSU. It's "ok", but not particularly good. If you want a really decent unit, I'd look at this. Well worth the extra expense and a much longer warranty.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $64.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 01:46 EDT-0400
 
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Do you think that 450w is enough? Or should I go higher just in case?
And thanks for the cooler recommendation, I also found it in white which fits my build and setup

Edit : The reason why I included the site I'm building my pc from is because that they dont have everything. Just searched for Seasonic PSUs there and only found one thats 850w, and they also dont have any of the thermal pastes you have named :/
 
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If you want a cheap budget aftermarket cooler, don't go with the 212 EVO. The Deepcool Gammaxx 400 outperforms it by a fair margin and is less expensive to boot.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.79 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $23.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 01:40 EDT-0400



Best budget cooler under 30 bucks we've ever tested.



https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gammaxx-400-slim-tower-cpu-cooler,4460-2.html


As for the thermal paste, it's very hard to beat Kryonaut by Thermal Grizzly, Noctua NT-H2 (Or H1 for that matter), Cryorig Cryopaste or even Arctic MX-4. Kryonaut is what I use on just about everything these days.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2S7-00A9-00013

That Corsair CX450 is not a great PSU. It's "ok", but not particularly good. If you want a really decent unit, I'd look at this. Well worth the extra expense and a much longer warranty.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $64.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 01:46 EDT-0400

Last question, should I get an extra exhaust fan for the NZXT H500?
And can you please recommend another PSU because the SeaSonic is not available on the website?
 

xoxtrollstar

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Im building this pc pretty soon and wanted to do a last check, are there anything I should change or add?

Specs :
Case : NZXT H500
Mobo : ASUS Prime B360M-A
Storage : Samsung 250GB 860 EVO + 1TB HDD
RAM : Ballistix Sport 16 GB (2x8) 2666MHz
Power Supply : Corsair CX450
CPU : i5 9400f
CPU Cooler : Deepcool Gammaxx 400
GPU : ZOTAC RTX 2060 AMP
Thermal paste : plz recommend one... or does any paste do the job?

Im also looking for a cheap, but good 144hz monitor, I might go with the Asus VG248QE

Note : I live in the UAE, and the prices here complete and total trash, and because I cant build a pc on my own, I found this website : gccgamers.com . The prices are not that bad, so this build is gonna be built by them.

Sry, I reposted my thread, no one's answering and I'm running out of time :/
 

WildCard999

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The build will work but your cutting it pretty close with that PSU, would recommend the 550W version. MX4 is a good paste for the CPU.

The VG248QE is a decent monitor but if there's a Freesync version (1080P/144hz) around the same price I'd get that instead as with the newer Nvidia drivers it should allow you to use Gsync with a Freesync monitor.

Is GCCgamers installing Windows for you?

While the 9400F should work on that motherboard if they don't update the BIOS prior to installing the 9400F then it may not boot up.
 

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The build will work but your cutting it pretty close with that PSU, would recommend the 550W version. MX4 is a good paste for the CPU.

The VG248QE is a decent monitor but if there's a Freesync version (1080P/144hz) around the same price I'd get that instead as with the newer Nvidia drivers it should allow you to use Gsync with a Freesync monitor.

Is GCCgamers installing Windows for you?

While the 9400F should work on that motherboard if they don't update the BIOS prior to installing the 9400F then it may not boot up.

I wanted to go with 550w version, but its out of stock, so I went with the 450w one. Can you recommend another PSU?

I couldn't find the MX4, they probably dont have it.

I havn't tryed G-sync but from what I know, it adds latency. I'll still probably get the Freesync version to try and mess around with.

And yes, they are installing windows for me, probably a trail version though, But I might buy a key and activate it.

And btw, should I get an extra exhaust fan for the NZXT H500?
 
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I agree that 450w is cutting close. That would be "ok", not great, but "ok", with the Seasonic. Not so much with the Corsair CX but to some degree still acceptable if absolutely necessary.

The fact that you are in the UAE makes everything relevant to this conversation, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter, a gigantic PITA, so offense to you of course, it's just that hardware availability and cost is even more ridiculous there than the rest of the world except maybe Canada and Australia where hardware costs are even worse.

What site, EXACTLY, are you planning to order from? Typically for middle eastern builds we direct towards Snapdeal and Flipkart, but I know that's not available or even the best option for some regions.

Your case comes with a rear and top rear fan pre-installed. So no, you don't need to add another exhaust fan. What you NEED, or at least SHOULD, do, is add two front intake fans. Those exhaust fans don't do nearly as much good without a balance of intake pressure and ambient air as they would WITH them. SO yes, a couple of 120 or 140mm fans up front would be a very good idea. That would give you a balance of neutral pressure and a comfortable rate of exchange of internal case air, which could be even more of a factor for you than for most users especially if this PC isn't going to be living in an air conditioned room due to the high average ambient temperatures in your region.
 

WildCard999

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I wanted to go with 550w version, but its out of stock, so I went with the 450w one. Can you recommend another PSU?

I couldn't find the MX4, they probably dont have it.

I havn't tryed G-sync but from what I know, it adds latency. I'll still probably get the Freesync version to try and mess around with.

And yes, they are installing windows for me, probably a trail version though, But I might buy a mey and activate it.

And btw, should I get an extra exhaust fan for the NZXT H500?
The Seasonic Focus Gold 550W would be perfect, way better quality then the Corsair. The H500 comes with two fans for exhaust so I'd recommend adding in two 120 or 140mm fans in the front for intake. I have the same case so the fan setup should be familiar (changed everything to rgb).

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He already said he can't get the Seasonic, and he's probably right. For most middle eastern countries only the older group regulated S12II and M12II units are widely available, and not always even then.

If the CX unit you are looking at is not specifically detailed as the 2017 version, I would avoid it. Here is what you want to look at it terms of model selection.

Click the spoiler below to expand the model recommendations.


Let's start with the biggest misconception out there, which is that if a unit has high watts it will be ok or is good. No. Just, no.

There are plenty of 750-1000w units out there that I wouldn't trust to power a light bulb and might in fact be more dangerous due to their supposedly high capacity due to poor or non-existent protections inside the unit.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, how many watts or amps it says it can support is irrelevant.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, whether or not it has an 80plus certification or not is irrelevant.

Whatever you do, don't EVER buy a power supply based on whether it has RGB or lighting, or looks like it might be a quality unit. Some of the biggest hunks of junk out there look just as good as a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium, but I assure you, they are not. So far as I've seen there are really no excellent units out there that have RGB built in. Maybe one or two models, but rest assured you'll be be paying for the lighting, not for the quality of the power supply.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Seasonic. Seasonic isn't just a brand, they are a PSU manufacturer, unlike many of the PSU brands you see they make their own power supply platforms AND a great many of the very good PSU models out there from other brands like Antec, Corsair and older XFX are made by Seasonic.

Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions.

Most common currently, in order of preference, would be the Seasonic Focus series, then Focus plus, then Prime, then Prime ultra. It's worth mentioning that there are generally Gold, Platinum and Titanium versions within each, or most, of those series, but that does not necessarily mean that a Focus plus Platinum is necessarily better than a Prime Gold. It only means that it scored better in the 80plus efficiency testing, not that the platform is better.

Again, don't let yourself get tangled up in the idea that a higher 80plus rating specifically means that it is a better unit than another one with a lower rating, unless you know that it is a good platform from the start. All these Focus and Prime units are pretty good so you can somewhat focus on the 80plus rating when deciding which of them to choose.

Super Flower Super Flower is another PSU manufacturer. They also make most of the good units sold by EVGA like the G2, G3, P2 and T2 models.

Super Flower doesn't have a very broad availability for the units with their own brand name on them, and are not available in a lot of countries but for those where there is availability you want to look at the Leadex and Leadex II models. The Golden green platform is fairly decent too but is getting rather long in the tooth as a platform AND I've seen some reviews indicating a few shortcomings on units based on this platform.

Even so, it's a great deal better than a lot of other platforms out there so you could certainly do worse than a Golden green model. Units based on the Leadex and Leadex II platforms are much better though.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles. I'd only choose this model if it is on sale or the aesthetics match up with your color scheme or design. Still a good power supply but maybe a little aggressive on the fan profile. This may have been cured on newer Edge models so reading professional tear down reviews is still the best idea.

Antec Earthwatts Gold units are very good also.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have BOTH good and not very good models.

Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model), BQ, BR, BT and G1 NEX models.

Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JonnyGuru for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.


And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.


Certainly there ARE some good units out there that you won't see above among those I've listed, but they are few and far between, much as a hidden nugget of gold you find in a crevice among otherwise ordinary rocks and don't EVER assume a unit is good just because of the brand.

If you cannot find an IN DEPTH, REPUTABLE review on Tom's hardware, JonnyGuru, HardOCP, Hardware secrets (Old reviews by Gabe Torres), Kitguru (Only Aris reviews), TechPowerUP, SilentPC crew or a similar site that does much more than simply a review of the unboxing and basic tests that don't include reliable results for ripple, noise, voltage regulation and a complete teardown of the unit including identification of the internal platform, then the unit is a big fat question mark.

I recommend not trusting such units as companies generally always send out review samples of any unit they feel is going to get a good review, and don't send them out if they know they are going to get hammered by the reviewer. No review usually equals poor quality. Usually.

Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, AK Power, Alpine, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aerocool (There might be one model worth using, but I'd still avoid them.), Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, Chieftech, Circle, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Eurotech, Evo labs, EZ cool, Feedtek, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, High power, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Kolink, LC Power, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, RaveRocketfish, Segotep, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Spire, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, Xilence (Until I see a reputable review of a model showing different), xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.
 

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I agree that 450w is cutting close. That would be "ok", not great, but "ok", with the Seasonic. Not so much with the Corsair CX but to some degree still acceptable if absolutely necessary.

The fact that you are in the UAE makes everything relevant to this conversation, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter, a gigantic PITA, so offense to you of course, it's just that hardware availability and cost is even more ridiculous there than the rest of the world except maybe Canada and Australia where hardware costs are even worse.

What site, EXACTLY, are you planning to order from? Typically for middle eastern builds we direct towards Snapdeal and Flipkart, but I know that's not available or even the best option for some regions.

Your case comes with a rear and top rear fan pre-installed. So no, you don't need to add another exhaust fan. What you NEED, or at least SHOULD, do, is add two front intake fans. Those exhaust fans don't do nearly as much good without a balance of intake pressure and ambient air as they would WITH them. SO yes, a couple of 120 or 140mm fans up front would be a very good idea. That would give you a balance of neutral pressure and a comfortable rate of exchange of internal case air, which could be even more of a factor for you than for most users especially if this PC isn't going to be living in an air conditioned room due to the high average ambient temperatures in your region.

I'm either ordering from GCCgamers.com or Dubaiamers.com ( really creative names... lol), they're the only two sites i found with reasonable prices.
 

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Just finished discussing the pricing and stuff with Duabigamer's employee, we agreed on around $1,360 for the pc and monitor.
(Not the greatest price, I know, but good enough)
Any last recommendations?
Thanks everyone :D
 
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